EPT- Koshi
- VayneAuthority
- meta point: none of his usual sharpness, seems unsure of who he wants to push
- weird townread on koshi:I still don't have a 100% tr on koshi but leaning town. its possible because of how the game played out + we have a lot of good players he doesnt feel the need to do much? i dont know honestly. All i can remember is him tunneling you and doesn't seem super cocky on any reads besides that which isnt normal.I get the point about koshi not needing to do much but I don't get why that makes him lean town.
- omgusing nm
- meta point: none of his usual sharpness, seems unsure of who he wants to push
- LightningStrike
- It seems like he is trying to gloss over koshi suspicion and push it onto me:On February 09 2016 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
So Koshi might be a good lynch. The way he defended Palmar seems weird but he attacks Kush for not trying this game which he claims as a tell from his last scum game. I will check kush in a little bit. - he talks about his thoughts before he replaced in which are now completely irrelevant, plus he's having trouble townreading people who are obvious town:On February 09 2016 08:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay so Rels thoguht I was a obs when I had just replaced Onegu. Also I found it funny that the people who were NK'd were all scumreading my slot. Kinda awkward for me tbh >.< I originally thought JAT was going to be scum because of his attitude at EoD1/Night 1 area because he normally a ass as scum from my memory. Oh well my read on JAT was bad apparently
I kinda want to give Rel's a townread because he actually seemed to want to solve the game and doesn't seemed to buddy with people if I read his stuff right.
- It seems like he is trying to gloss over koshi suspicion and push it onto me:
- Chezinu
- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
- MoosyDoosy
- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Town Circle
- Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now.
- marv is active lol
- NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green
- darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later.
- disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek
- Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool.
- Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into:
- boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad.
- noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much.
- I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again.
- tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
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nooniansoong
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NocturneMage
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On February 09 2016 23:17 boxerfred wrote: I'll be out just now but I'll be back before EoD. Have an appointment a 6pm, gonna be online at roughly 8pm or so. Get back to post 2278 if/when you can, I'm going through your filter and a few others' at the moment. everyone else: I'm willing to buy into the general sentiment that scum Koshi pushing Noon is likely meaning Noon is town, but I'll run through the filter just to be sure... | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 09 2016 23:16 NocturneMage wrote: Here is the vote count with strikethroughs: Here is your VCA (spoilered for brevity) + Show Spoiler [Your vote analysis] + On February 09 2016 22:41 boxerfred wrote: So here is what happened D1: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Koshi is currently scum read by some persons. He went late Zyrre. He put his vote on Zyrre when it was 6-6 split between Palmar and Zyrre, and he does it rather late: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503495-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken-voting-thread?page=3#48 Roughly 20 minutes before deadline. The situation we're in is that Palmar is on the very edge of being lynched. He is the Godfather, yet he is afk - a big scum role that can confuse town really hard (remember - Finncop works not like the standard cop!) would be a huge loss D1. Koshi seems to not care too much for this game D1. His reads are meager, he's not pushing anyone too hard, he feels wishywashy. But then it comes to his vote: initially, he forgets the "##unvote", then he corrects it, writing his vote in the correct way. However, it doesn't seem to be enough for him: Why is that so important, given that the previous post was absolutely correct? It's tiny, yep, and might not be alignment indicative, but I can see a nervous close-to-deadline-with-GF-close-to-being-lynched scum!Koshi acting nervous. That would bring us to: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Chez' vote on Zyrre would also make sense as scum. He said EoD2 after the Palmar lynch that he originally wanted to see Palmar dead D1 already - but he didn't vote him. marvellosity's switch feels weird to me but yeah...not gonna put the tinfoil hat back on again, he was the one to initiate the whole Palmar thingy. Rels feels townie to me. He's active and eager to do stuff, but the biggest thing is his genuine reaction to the LS replacement. On second thought though I'm not sure if that really was an alignment indicative dumbtell. I'd take it as that if LS would flip red, I'd lock Rels as town then. But - I do not know about LS' alignment, so yeah. Head and heart tell me though that Rels is town. disformation feels to me like he is playing a weak town game. He doesn't dare to push people, although he picks stuff every now and then. I wish he'd actually push some people, drop some committed reads, instead of just staying in his comfort zone. He's either a townie afraid to appear bad or a scum guy playing a very soft, careful game. His D1 felt very townie to me, but I think he got away with my town read too easy. However he ended up voting the Palmar train and went through with that - I don't think scum!disformation would have the guts for such a bus. So I'll paint him green here, too. VayneAuthority's activity level feels similar to what I learnt of him in other games. Town lean at this point, but not enough to paint him green in the PoE-kind-of-VCA I'm currently doing here. I paint him green because he was early on the Palmar wagon and did not leave at any point. This is not a 100% town read - but I want to simplify things. boxerfred is town, I know that. Gonna add the colours.. Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy nooniansong was scumread by me D1. I don't understand exactly why people like marv (?) started to townread him and I would really like to get an explanation on that from the guys who townread him. If he's scum, his vote was safe and sound on Zyrre. A solid no-risk-scum-play at D1. darthfoley really dropped off in activity. At least that's how I feel like. I need to filter-dive here and I'm glad for anyone dropping reads on those two guys. NocturneMage - can't drop a read, didn't look into yet. Gotta do this though to at least gain some impression. Only impression I have is from D1 where NM fought VA, and I'm not sure how to judge that. Last, but not least: MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night. I want to focus on a few things. First question - the read on Moosy - I don't quite understand this. IIRC, Moosy was entirely afk or nearly entirely AFK for end of cycle. His only vote came roughly 19 hours before the end when I was playing the "pick a townie" game with him in the middle of the night (our time). It was on VA, and he never pushed that vote. He just threw it down and left (quotes below, or read his filter) He placed his vote down on VA and never moved it (if you can see HTS votecount with all the cancelled votes), and was completely AFK so regardless of Palmar's alignment the vote looks poor because he escapes accountability altogether. This was his vote http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=40#791 This was his FINAL post before end of cycle about 18h before end of cycle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=42#838 This was his first post ~1h AFTER the lynch http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=73#1443 Here's the question - now knowing or possibly realising that Moosy was severely AFK and his non-push of his own vote, does this make him any more or less town to you? You assume that Moosy was AFK. I think he was lurking (ie. not afk). A lurky scum!Moosy would have switched to Zyrre at some point IMHO which is why in my VCA I say it's town indicative. Of course can just be idgaf afk, yep. Hm I'm gonna give two answers: Lurky, lazy Moosy: townish for not voting Zyrre AFK Moosy: scummy/nullish Given that he was in-thread one hour after the lynch I can see him being AFK. Plus, this: On February 06 2016 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: aaaand boxer still can't read me lolol @_@ Yeah I should scumlean him, minimum. Especially since I just saw http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=42#840 which paints you green af. How could I miss this lol? | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 09 2016 23:21 NocturneMage wrote: Get back to post 2278 if/when you can, I'm going through your filter and a few others' at the moment. everyone else: I'm willing to buy into the general sentiment that scum Koshi pushing Noon is likely meaning Noon is town, but I'll run through the filter just to be sure... I just did. Decided to stay one more hour at the office, so I have one more hour of Mafia.  ) | ||
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NocturneMage
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I also called out VA's poor townread on Koshi, let me show you his reaction to that. You might have missed it earlier. I can understand why people wouldn't scumread him though, he was on the Palmar train and nothing is a so-called slam dunk argument on him, but there are several "little things" that add up as I was going through his filter Day 1. | ||
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boxerfred
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Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy I liked noonians new list post. So, let me pretend that all my town reads (in disregard if there are hard reads or slight leans or whatever) are locked and confirmed towns, we get this: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Would that make sense? | ||
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disformation
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On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote: Here's my scumreads. Kind of in order and kind of not.
I can see your 1) point on LS coming from a town mindset. Otherwise I think I like this. Need to reread VA. You have a TR on boxerfred, but couldn't find an explanation in your filter. TBH you like don't talk about boxer at all. Could you explain your TR on boxer?  | ||
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Oh, by the way, guys, I did a Chez case. Can you please look into that? | ||
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boxerfred
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On February 09 2016 23:25 NocturneMage wrote: Yeah Noon, I'm pretty positive VayneAuthority is mafia. He is the most likely mafia on the Palmar train (and something tells me there IS one on the Palmar train), and there are several reasons related to the vote and unrelated to the vote that make him mafia. I also called out VA's poor townread on Koshi, let me show you his reaction to that. You might have missed it earlier. I can understand why people wouldn't scumread him though, he was on the Palmar train and nothing is a so-called slam dunk argument on him, but there are several "little things" that add up as I was going through his filter Day 1. Can you summarize in like a bullet list why that is? I'd sheep you for your Palmar stuff from D1 that I just discovered. And keep in mind that darthfoley is currently under everyone's radar. Dunno how much I like that. | ||
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I didn't properly case Koshi D1, but i'm pretty sure that I scum read him like 2 posts before NM did. I'm going to reread VA's filter today, especially regarding his town reading of Koshi. Will be back around 4PM EST | ||
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nooniansoong
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On February 09 2016 23:26 LightningStrike wrote: Kush I will blunt I think Koshi will flip a higher chance of scum over you but I had questions regarding your Zyree read progression because it felt weird that was all. a lot of the progression wasn't communicated to the thread. it had to do with me reading his filter and reconsidering. At the end of the day I saw his post which i thought looked townie, for some reason that I did communicate but now I forget. That made me want to change to palmar. Except I coudln't really because I had just gotten home from work and I was still in my car on my cell phone. I mean I guess I could have but it would have been a real bitch to find the vote thread, to find the hash tags, to write ##vote palmar then to somehow boldify that shit. I would have probably taken the effort to do it if I was super sure but I wasn't. | ||
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boxerfred
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On February 09 2016 23:30 LightningStrike wrote: boxerfred you should prob bold the flipped towns lol.......... On February 09 2016 23:27 boxerfred wrote: Let's update my VCA: I liked noonians new list post. So, let me pretend that all my town reads (in disregard if there are hard reads or slight leans or whatever) are locked and confirmed towns, we get this: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Would that make sense? | ||
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now that you're here, what do you think of my Chez case? | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:27 boxerfred wrote: Let's update my VCA: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy I liked noonians new list post. So, let me pretend that all my town reads (in disregard if there are hard reads or slight leans or whatever) are locked and confirmed towns, we get this: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Would that make sense? Sad you left me out of the color party | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On February 09 2016 23:33 boxerfred wrote: oh hi darthfoley now that you're here, what do you think of my Chez case?I'll look it over between classes (11-1pm EST) ish. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 06 2016 01:42 VayneAuthority wrote: I will warn you that BF is a trap player. I don't know what to make of him yet. On paper it makes zero sense and looks scummy but surely he would realize that right? Now when we look at the motivation for why he would want to post this, all I could think of is kush being his mafia buddy. He wants you to know that he does support the lynch of kush but thats the extent of it. so if you believe in a kush/bf team then go for it Would scum say such things D1? Dunno | ||
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nooniansoong
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On February 09 2016 23:30 disformation wrote: I can see your 1) point on LS coming from a town mindset. Otherwise I think I like this. Need to reread VA. You have a TR on boxerfred, but couldn't find an explanation in your filter. TBH you like don't talk about boxer at all. Could you explain your TR on boxer? i'm not going to read boxer's filter so ill just point out what ive noticed (in a list because those are my new favorite things)
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LightningStrike
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/LcK/75X/LcK75Xpca.jpeg) That makes sense. | ||
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