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because you're mafia and youz fooked
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On February 09 2016 05:03 Palmar wrote: yeah sorry guys I don't have the energy to fight this. I'm just sort of burned out at the moment.
I really am not mafia, but because I'm not going to fight or try then you have to lynch me anyway so that's life.
I tried starting filters like 4 times today and just couldn't summon the energy to do it.
Good luck.
On February 10 2016 01:04 Koshi wrote: I am totally burned out for some reason. Dnu why. Sad days. Starting to see a pattern here.
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if koshi were town he'd at least be amused.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2016 18:57 boxerfred wrote:Chez:His very entry to the thread. "Hey, my PM has some flavour to it, I am vanilla town." After that claim, he basically disappears into randomness. He's not participating in a good way D1. Here is a list of absolutely useless posts: + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2016 14:54 Chezinu wrote: I'll be threading the Stone Needle. On February 05 2016 04:40 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 23:36 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 23:32 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 23:29 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 23:10 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 23:05 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 22:58 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 22:51 Palmar wrote: I would feel a lot better about you defending me koshi if you actually explained what the tell is. I don't really care if you want to use it in the future. no ty plz + Show Spoiler +And for the people really paying attention they could find the reason. So if we read Palmar's filter and know what to look for, we could find a tell that Palmar is town ? We should just threaten to lynch him until he coughs it up Lynching me just brings me my salvation. One of the things Jeezus and I have incommon. I see a problem with this analogy. Did He need saving? Does one die to save himself or another? Well, one could die to self figuratively for the sake of another benefiting.. and by doing so.. loses himself and thus saves himself! It could be true for peoples... but for Him... He needed not saving to begin with. He died for another.. in fact for his enemies.. He showed the greatest love to his enemies. So dear Koshi, how does us lynching you bring you your salvation? On February 05 2016 04:41 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:On February 05 2016 00:23 Koshi wrote: Ofc JAT puts the townie thinking in red and the dumb part in green. Just to make me think he is a dumbass till I read his explanation. I always love to make you think you are a dumbass. It happens so rarely. The colors itself didn't mean anything - it was just to differentiate. COLORS DO HAVE MEANING!!! On February 05 2016 04:45 Chezinu wrote: That's right guys. I R Chez.
He is a story: In the shadows, lurks my follower. He watches as I play. He learns the effort in which I play. Free from death, Free from shame, I post without restraint. For Chez himself knows not what will come next, but knows the methods to which he takes. He knows not what it fully entails, but each day posting learns a little more. Who am I, what is my method? How do I play? How do I win? One day, in a life to come, Chez will know the way he plays. On February 05 2016 04:57 Chezinu wrote: Hey guys,
Does anyone here know of any Jedi that can assist me? I was reading this book that says time is all relative and that the future can be the past or present. depending on the net time-forced applied on the system or medium you dwell. It speaks a a distance universe far far away. The author claims to have spoken to an inhabitant in a galaxy in this distant verse. I was wondering if a Jedi can help channel communication with this individual. I heard I needed to invest some resources and ship them to his galaxy in order to claim my interest in the future, but I lost the address when I lost the book. A Jedi would be useful to contact this individual. Could anyone here help me? This is followed by derailing and trolling with the whole "disformation vs. the Chezinu rule": + Show Spoiler +On February 05 2016 05:52 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##vote disformation
So, unfortunate for you...
Btw, you can help by finding me a Jedi so I can contact an individual in a galaxy far far away in a time long from now. I need to talk to him to find out the address, so I can send him my resources. He will have invest these resources and pay me more. I just need to send him money now. PLEASE HALPS! On February 05 2016 05:56 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 05:56 disformation wrote:On February 05 2016 05:52 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 05:04 disformation wrote:On February 04 2016 18:43 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 12:16 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 12:11 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 11:01 disformation wrote:phone post from bed. nearly forgot. @NocturneMage: care to remind me what you think of meta reads?  this post is terrible in so many ways. Why? 1) notifying that he is going out of his way to post from an inconvenient place -> notice me senpai 2) "almost forgot" -> something he must tell us! must be important 3) deferring to nocturnemage a) now confirmed not important b) if town is deferring to someone who's alignment he doesn't know for no reason 4) trying to discredit meta which CAN be a useful tool 5) smiley face cuz clearly "i'm joking gaiz" nothing about this post is good in any way. all of it is legit hot trash. Mm this is good. What does this mean for my alignment? I haven't seen you give a read on me in your filter. I don't have a read on you. I agree with ritoky that the post in question was bad though. Cool. Do you have any idea of what is going on? Rules are happening! On February 05 2016 06:34 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 10:48 disformation wrote:On February 04 2016 10:35 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 08:25 Zyrre wrote: Sweet, I like being town. A lot less pressure. Wanted to point this out. To be fair, I have done this as town before, but it's worth noting. On February 04 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote: I hate this game already.
hi hi, let me throw the weakest/easiest TR ever at you. Likewise, I don't particularly like this "read." The explanation was basically hearsay, so I'm still not a fan I followed the PYP game with Koshi and Palmar,[...][/QUOTE ] Not sure I correctly understand that sentence. That with is kinda confusing me. Also good to know since VA, Rels and me where also in PYP, so you I am interested in seeing how you read those three when compared to PYP. Rels hasn't posted yet here, so you don't need to do so now. Mainly want this post in my filter to remember to ask you about those three. xD Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 05:36 disformation wrote:On February 05 2016 05:28 Koshi wrote: lol you just claimed mafia
##unvote ##vote disformation Since you are not actually voting for me in the voting thread, I assume this is a joke? Really confused here. Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 06:26 disformation wrote:On February 05 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 06:17 disformation wrote: Also HtS got back to my PM: the strong arm thing appears to be a role and scum does not have a free strong arm shot for their faction. Seriously ? The OP is very badly written then. Like every role is like "he can frame", "he can assassinate", but the strongarm is "the scumteam can uses the strongarm shot". I agree and am kinda confused by this. Confusion is of the darkside... Followed by, wait for it, more uselessness: + Show Spoiler +On February 05 2016 06:36 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 06:35 disformation wrote:On February 05 2016 06:34 Chezinu wrote:On February 04 2016 10:48 disformation wrote:On February 04 2016 10:35 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 08:25 Zyrre wrote: Sweet, I like being town. A lot less pressure. Wanted to point this out. To be fair, I have done this as town before, but it's worth noting. On February 04 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote: I hate this game already.
hi hi, let me throw the weakest/easiest TR ever at you. Likewise, I don't particularly like this "read." The explanation was basically hearsay, so I'm still not a fan I followed the PYP game with Koshi and Palmar,[...][/QUOTE ] Not sure I correctly understand that sentence. That with is kinda confusing me. Also good to know since VA, Rels and me where also in PYP, so you I am interested in seeing how you read those three when compared to PYP. Rels hasn't posted yet here, so you don't need to do so now. Mainly want this post in my filter to remember to ask you about those three. xD On February 05 2016 05:36 disformation wrote:On February 05 2016 05:28 Koshi wrote: lol you just claimed mafia
##unvote ##vote disformation Since you are not actually voting for me in the voting thread, I assume this is a joke? Really confused here. On February 05 2016 06:26 disformation wrote:On February 05 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 06:17 disformation wrote: Also HtS got back to my PM: the strong arm thing appears to be a role and scum does not have a free strong arm shot for their faction. Seriously ? The OP is very badly written then. Like every role is like "he can frame", "he can assassinate", but the strongarm is "the scumteam can uses the strongarm shot". I agree and am kinda confused by this. Confusion is of the darkside... I thought speaking in absolutes is of the dark side? Welcome to the Brown Side, where Colors Do Matter! On February 05 2016 06:43 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 06:38 marvellosity wrote: kinda scummy to misapply your own rule tbh. Koshi started it! On February 05 2016 07:49 Chezinu wrote: Hey guys,
Do you think the force is real? like you know... the Jedi force. On February 05 2016 07:57 Chezinu wrote:UUMMMMMMMM
UMMMMMMM
UMMMMMMMMM Jeeeediiiiii... Jeeediiiiii... Jeeeeeeediiiiiiiii... This is the force speaking! come and help Chez He needs you to talk Come to Chez JeeediiiiiUUMMMMMMMM
JeeediiiiiUMMMMMMM
JeeediiiiiUMMMMMMMMM On February 05 2016 07:59 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 07:58 ritoky wrote:On February 05 2016 07:57 Chezinu wrote:UUMMMMMMMM
UMMMMMMM
UMMMMMMMMM Jeeeediiiiii... Jeeediiiiii... Jeeeeeeediiiiiiiii... This is the force speaking! come and help Chez He needs you to talk Come to Chez JeeediiiiiUUMMMMMMMM
JeeediiiiiUMMMMMMM
JeeediiiiiUMMMMMMMMM ![[image loading]](http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li37k2BRWe1qzowhlo1_400.jpg) Jedi? is that you? On February 05 2016 08:08 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 08:06 ritoky wrote: my town is something like: ritoky, rels, jat, disfo, darth maybe town is like: damdred, marv, koshi, kush fuck you is: boxerfred
and i think there's probably a mafia between VA and NM. You think Chez is town. I'm actually stopping to quote the useless posts now, because I do not want to paste the whole page 2 of his filter here. Some blahblah about "I graduated from Jedi Academy", more bullshit. But then, there's an interesting series of posts in his filter: + Show Spoiler +From a disformation vote (trolly or not, it was a huge derailing), he likes Palmar, the GF. Then throws in another name, nooniansong. Then ends up calling out Zyrre, a VT. And boom, at last, he says "I randomly copy pasted names" to render everything he just said useless. This is not "brown magic", this is not even non-valuable bullshit. This is clearly derailing the thread, actively creating confusion, trying to mislead people. I mean, those are his townreads, right? Well, after rendering his list useless by "i just copy pasted", he goes again to it: Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 14:30 Chezinu wrote: Here is a list of answer Chezinu provided in the game:
Chezinu Palmar nooniansoong Zyrre
Interesting picks I must say. "Hey, here are townreads. Hey, no, kidding. Hey, yes, indeed." Had to think of this (00:59).Like, what is this even? A bit later, more on Palmar: Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 06:38 Chezinu wrote:On February 06 2016 06:36 disformation wrote: Looking at the game you played with ritoky and MD: I think you named both palmar and zyrre apparently at random. Why Zyrre over Palmar? I don't like it when Palmar dies... it's makes me sad. Can't say if it's bold "he's my scum buddy so I townread him" or if it's a real townread. Given that he was the only one voting outside of the Palmar train D2, I think it's "it's too scummy to be scum so people will townread me for that move lol". Exactly the stuff I'd expect out of Chez as far as I got to know him. Note: up until now (D2), there is not a single scum read given from Chezinu.But, finally, here they are: Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 22:30 Chezinu wrote:On February 07 2016 22:20 disformation wrote:On February 07 2016 22:17 Chezinu wrote: Marv boxer disformation Is that your town list or your scum list? interest list. Marv and boxer scum team would be interesting. I wonder how this would make sense. Marv would've bussed the shit out of Palmar, while I would've hard defended Palmar D1. I mean, I townread him, right? While I made a huge case on ritoky which was entirely wrong since ritoky was town. How would the combination of marv and me make sense in any way? How would you draw such a conclusion? Interestingly enough, Chezinu paints a connection between a guy with a top reputation as town and someone who tends to be mislynched easily. If people had to decide between lynching me and lynching marv, I'd be dead. In that context, the next post makes even more sense: Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 11:54 Chezinu wrote: Guys,
Have you ever trolled a game and never have time to actually play the game? But every time you go to play, you end up trolling?
Troll problems.
Ok, it's time to get stuff done.
Boxer why you mafia? Marv do you love me?
PAAAAALLLLLLMAAAARRR!!!!!!! A direct attack on me - and an attempt to simply get marv's attention, almost like a 3-year-old running to papa, hugging him, "dad, do you love me? i love you too!". So at first, he says "boxerfred and marv, scum together, interesting", then he splits the scum dream team again into "boxer = scum" and "marv what you think of me"? If he really scumreads marv, why would he care for what marv thinks about him? Oh, and in true Chezinu manner, this tiny little bit of "giving reads" is followed up by more useless stuff: + Show Spoiler +On February 09 2016 06:09 Chezinu wrote: Some may say that you are not deep. Some may say that you are not an intellectual. Some may say that you are not an artist. Some may say that you are not a critic. Some may say that you are not a poet. Some may say that you just have internet access.
Well, know this.
Those some may sayers are not going to live with you long. So know that there are other some may sayers that can cheer you on.
You can Deep! You can Intel! You can Art! You can Crit! You can Poe! You can and have internet access! Next up, his reaction to the Palmar flip: + Show Spoiler [wtf] +On February 09 2016 08:04 Chezinu wrote:PAAALLLMAAAAR!!!! NOOO!!!!! WHY!!!!! Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 08:10 Chezinu wrote: Guys, I would like to say that it was a honor to help form a second wagon on Day 1 to aid in the detection of mafia scum. I was secretly hoping Palmar would have died Day 1 but I couldn't vote for Palmar cause I likes him. This was also an opportunity to gain more information. We are doing great guys! This post is so scummy. Remember: at this point in time, Chez has done exactly NOTHING to help town. He didn't drop any hard town reads, he didn't push anyone for being scum, he did not participate in serious discussions, he did exactly nothing to help town. On the contrary, partially, he even derailed the thread into pure unreadable and useless garbage. Then, suddenly, he comes up with this post. I take the following points out of this post: a. "I helped to form a second wagon on Day 1". This is weak. He's referring to the Zyrre wagon (imho). Yes, given that both have flipped now, we should indeed go back to some VCA of D1 votes. But was it indeed Chez' intention to create a second wagon to simply gain more information? And, way more important: did he REALLY help create that wagon? No! He did not. b. "I was secretly hoping that Palmar died N1". If that is the case, why didn't Chez vote for Palmar D2? And, way more important: Final Day 1 Vote Count Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky boxerfred, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfredNocturneMage (0), disformation disformationritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,Onegu (0):, nooniansoongDisformation (0): Chezinu, ChezinuMoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoongNot Voting (0): Tonight Zyrre had been executed. Day 1 has ended.Why was he on Zyrre if he wanted to lynch Palmar? He could've made the difference. He could've hammered Palmar, and he even said the he wanted to do it! But he did not do it. Here is the progression: D1: 1. He likes Palmar. Drops a townread. 2. Votes [color=green]Zyrre[/color], in a close 8-7 scenario, over [color=red]Palmar[/color]. D2: 1. Does not vote Palmar, being the only one not voting Palmar. "Too scummy to be scum", someone said. 2. Once Palmar flips, Chez says that he "secretly wanted Palmar to die D1". Which is an obvious lie. ...but, yeah, ends with: Now that is bold. ________________________________________________________________________________ Now, D3. Chez follows marv onto Koshi. Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 08:21 Chezinu wrote:On February 09 2016 08:11 marvellosity wrote:On February 09 2016 08:10 Chezinu wrote: Guys, I would like to say that it was a honor to help form a second wagon on Day 1 to aid in the detection of mafia scum. I was secretly hoping Palmar would have died Day 1 but I couldn't vote for Palmar cause I likes him. This was also an opportunity to gain more information. We are doing great guys! ok what information did you gain, Chezinu? That Koshi hop on Zyrre on Day 1, then that defensive jump on early Day 2 on Palmar. Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 08:22 Chezinu wrote:On February 09 2016 08:16 marvellosity wrote: I really can't get over those Koshi posts from earlier.
1. Koshi very rarely just goes afk as town, even on 'auto' days. he still does things. 2. The 'all going according to plan?' post that i explained why i took issue 3. the subdued and frankly both submissive and petulant tone of all his subsequent posts today 4. basically admitted he wasn't going to be able to shit townie rainbows
tldr: Koshi
d3 lynch totes posted above before reading this. I'm not believing this tbh. Like, if I go into a thread and decide not to read up, I at least read the last 2-3 posts. Your eye directly falls on it, and if you plan to say something about a guy, how can you ignore his bolded red name? So Chez scumreads Koshi, sheeping a guy who should be established and accepted town, marv. The same guy he tried to pocket earlier, by the way. Chez does nothing to add substance to his Koshi read. He's simply following thread sentiment by marv. And after this, he goes nuts about me, also without adding substance. Without mentioning even a single post besides my initial post where I have him in my scum list. And, look at that: Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 16:32 Chezinu wrote: Come on Kylo Ren, you know you want to hit this. Show me your moves. Want to take this out the ring? "You must be scum. It's just like it." ##vote Chezinu
So I like this post, but it's also rather obvious. In fact, i'm almost to the point of a plynch against Chez because he's either blatant mafia, or the most anti-town townsperson ever. Either way, he's making mafia's lives easier with his conscious stream of bullshit. I, however, still have reservations about you. As Marv obviously pointed out, it's quite clear that given Palmar's flip, scum is going to have to bus each other and make moves to establish town cred they sorely need right now. With Chez such an easy target, I think it's perfectly within your capability to make that play. I also don't really understand why you keep trying to bang us on the head with how this Chez case establishes you as town.
On February 10 2016 00:14 boxerfred wrote: I can understand that but there are a lot of "what ifs" in that thought. Also, do you think Chez/me would be capable of doing so? If so, why would I bus Chez and not he me?
Like the answer to your question is so obvious, that you even answered it earlier 
On February 09 2016 23:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:37 nooniansoong wrote:On February 09 2016 23:30 disformation wrote:On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:Here's my scumreads. Kind of in order and kind of not. - Koshi
- VayneAuthority
- meta point: none of his usual sharpness, seems unsure of who he wants to push
- weird townread on koshi:
I still don't have a 100% tr on koshi but leaning town. its possible because of how the game played out + we have a lot of good players he doesnt feel the need to do much? i dont know honestly. All i can remember is him tunneling you and doesn't seem super cocky on any reads besides that which isnt normal. I get the point about koshi not needing to do much but I don't get why that makes him lean town.
- omgusing nm
- LightningStrike
- It seems like he is trying to gloss over koshi suspicion and push it onto me:
On February 09 2016 08:48 LightningStrike wrote: So Koshi might be a good lynch. The way he defended Palmar seems weird but he attacks Kush for not trying this game which he claims as a tell from his last scum game. I will check kush in a little bit. - he talks about his thoughts before he replaced in which are now completely irrelevant, plus he's having trouble townreading people who are obvious town:
On February 09 2016 08:16 LightningStrike wrote:Okay so Rels thoguht I was a obs when I had just replaced Onegu. Also I found it funny that the people who were NK'd were all scumreading my slot. Kinda awkward for me tbh >.< I originally thought JAT was going to be scum because of his attitude at EoD1/Night 1 area because he normally a ass as scum from my memory. Oh well my read on JAT was bad apparently  I kinda want to give Rel's a townread because he actually seemed to want to solve the game and doesn't seemed to buddy with people if I read his stuff right.
- Chezinu
- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
- MoosyDoosy
- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Town Circle - Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now. - marv is active lol - NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green - darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later. - disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek - Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool. - Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into: - boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad. - noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much. - I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again. - tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
I can see your 1) point on LS coming from a town mindset. Otherwise I think I like this. Need to reread VA. You have a TR on boxerfred, but couldn't find an explanation in your filter. TBH you like don't talk about boxer at all. Could you explain your TR on boxer?  i'm not going to read boxer's filter so ill just point out what ive noticed (in a list because those are my new favorite things) - abysmal play in his last scum game. I remember him making one serious post and afking. So that makes him lean town due to both tone and activity.
- he's thinking pretty deeply about stuff, even if that stuff is vca
- i doubt bfscum would still be trying so hard at this point
Check my very first game. I can try hard as scum.
And Chez has scum read you multiple times so...
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On February 10 2016 01:36 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 05:03 Palmar wrote: yeah sorry guys I don't have the energy to fight this. I'm just sort of burned out at the moment.
I really am not mafia, but because I'm not going to fight or try then you have to lynch me anyway so that's life.
I tried starting filters like 4 times today and just couldn't summon the energy to do it.
Good luck. Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 01:04 Koshi wrote: I am totally burned out for some reason. Dnu why. Sad days. Starting to see a pattern here.
Mafia breadcrumming... I could see Koshi doing this lol
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On February 09 2016 20:50 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 20:47 boxerfred wrote:On February 09 2016 20:26 marvellosity wrote:ugh.... On February 04 2016 22:40 boxerfred wrote: Okay. Let's settle somethings.
ritoky - scum palmar - dunno, don't like his reaction to my post, scumlean disformation - town jat - he came in and it felt like he read the thread but answered to very specific things only. it's a stomach feeling but it's a bad feeling. problem is that I actually like what he's saying. hmm i dunno. rels - seems focused on darthfoley and me, didn't drop any other reads (afaik, i went over his filter real quick, might've missed something). I'd townlean him. marv - drops some town reads but isn't too scumhunting too much. last time he rolled scum he made a game to be rerolled which got him banned (or so?) so I'd actually give him a scumlean. high expectations vs. reality and so on. nocturnemage, darthfoley: both disappeared a little bit, not liking that. scumleans
I think those are most thoughts on people that I have. Noct
On February 06 2016 04:13 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf[ritoky] might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
This post is good. On February 04 2016 19:19 Palmar wrote: ritoky did you ever explain why you have a dumb reason to TR jat? This post follows up on an inquiry to ritoky. It is good. On February 04 2016 19:28 Palmar wrote: I am also somewhat close to starting to try to lynch marv, it's almost noon his time. On February 04 2016 19:41 Palmar wrote: I do like how I summoned marv though This is also good. On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter. Another follow up on the initial "ritoky is scum because of his shit about disformation" and it is good. On February 04 2016 19:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 19:49 marvellosity wrote: carry on with your business, gentlemen. well what do you think? Wants marv, gets marv, tries to get marv started, it's good. On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote: bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit coming back on me when I ignored one of his questions, this is good. On February 04 2016 20:05 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote: marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes so what do you think of ritoky? comes back to ritoky, doesn't drop it although thread sentiment already dropped the ritoky topic, this is good. And most interestingly: On February 04 2016 22:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2016 22:36 Palmar wrote: technically the "fake afk noted" post should make marv town. That's also something I have trouble seeing Palmar believe. Yes, he did read and "catch" marv on small things like this before but that post is definitely not something only townmarv would say. No, why not? There is a very easy explanation (and there's also a reason I say technically). When I'm town and marv is mafia, he doesn't like dealing with me. He generally sort of avoids it and tries to take the high road of "i'm always shit early / day 1". There's also a tone thing (which is usually how I catch him, he just sounds off) which often involves him lacking the standard marv sass, if only just slightly. So when he actually sort of engages with me and questions me, while also remaining sassy enough to fire back a joke like that (it's a reference to me saying the same thing to him earlier in the game), it feels both tonally right and situationally right. now the problem of course is marv is good at mafia, but seeing as he quit a game recently just because he rolled one, it's super hard for me to believe he'd actually try this game as scum, instead of just trying to afk through a day or two in hopes of picking off players who might get him lynched,. Do you genuinely believe that this is irrelevant or do you think my explanation is reasonable? tbh I don't see Palmar being scum for the reasons marv says. But I'm not impressed by marv so far. And Palmar says that marv doesn't like dealing with him, boom, Palmar not here, marv sets up Palmar for the lynch. marv are you scum? more posts that don't go together. How can bf say he doesn't like Palmar's reaction to his stuff, and then goes on to call all Palmar's posts good and then I'm mafia and an afk-Palmar is town? how? Easy. Scumlean is a thrown out list of reads, mostly based on gut and first impressions. The hard defense comes from a filter dive at a later D1. Of course you can nail me on that, but I think it wouldn't make sense for scum!bf to slightly bus palmar and then go full defense mode once he's the lynch. ebwop: I have no problem to bus scum teammates D1 as I've shown already. I would've pinned Palmar down I guess. What do you think of Koshi in the light of this?
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Yo I'm around but on phone atm I ve have thought of something: I find weird the way LS reacted to me being super bad mannered. Like, I expect LS to be super virulent when being attacked, that's how I townread a few times actually in several games. Here he said nothing until va corrected me and then he was like "oh he made a mistake" It's like super not strong cause he could just have missed the moment I posted and va didn't correct me, but ... Thinking about it, I expected LS to be more, like, active about it
Anyway bad feeling aside, will catch up
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On February 09 2016 21:09 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 20:56 disformation wrote: TBF I think BF's scum meta is to try and lurk as hard as possible. On the other hand self-metaing is a bit meh. This is wrong. When I'm scum, I'm precise, very "correct" (the british kind of correctness), even on point. I tend to play messy and emotional as town though (or completely inactive). Exactly. Like I would hate to lynch you if you're town and trying, but you being so tryhard points at your scum meta + your palmar don't make sense at two different points on time + you're playing pretty robotic here I think ? Like the only real emotional stuff was the "I am cop" post which felt fake as shit. Plus I don't think you've ever made a case as town ? Maybe I'm wrong. Need to check that later.
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wait he claimed cop? i might have to go back and actually read the thread lolol
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On February 10 2016 03:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: wait he claimed cop? i might have to go back and actually read the thread lolol Nah, didn't actually claim. But there were a bunch of posts like this:
On February 07 2016 03:34 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 03:17 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2016 03:15 boxerfred wrote: So, here's my situation: I'm gonna be the D2/D3 lynch.
Basically, if Palmar flips scum, I'm fucked since I said he's town. If he flips town, I'm fucked since "HOW COULD YOU KNOW THAT BOXERFRED HOW COULD YOU BE SO SURE".
Here are my mistakes for post-game: letting myself rage hard at people like Moosy, Chez and nooniansong and their styles of posting. If I consider to play some more mafia games, I should learn to deal with that.
I think the vig shot is still better on nooniansong by the way. Ok. I'll shoot Kush. Best target by far. Okay I'll cop-check confirmed town in disformation then so I can fin(n)d scum next night yo
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On February 09 2016 22:41 boxerfred wrote:So here is what happened D1:Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Koshi is currently scum read by some persons. He went late Zyrre. He put his vote on Zyrre when it was 6-6 split between Palmar and Zyrre, and he does it rather late: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503495-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken-voting-thread?page=3#48Roughly 20 minutes before deadline. The situation we're in is that Palmar is on the very edge of being lynched. He is the Godfather, yet he is afk - a big scum role that can confuse town really hard (remember - Finncop works not like the standard cop!) would be a huge loss D1. Koshi seems to not care too much for this game D1. His reads are meager, he's not pushing anyone too hard, he feels wishywashy. But then it comes to his vote: initially, he forgets the "##unvote", then he corrects it, writing his vote in the correct way. However, it doesn't seem to be enough for him: Why is that so important, given that the previous post was absolutely correct? It's tiny, yep, and might not be alignment indicative, but I can see a nervous close-to-deadline-with-GF-close-to-being-lynched scum!Koshi acting nervous. That would bring us to: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Chez' vote on Zyrre would also make sense as scum. He said EoD2 after the Palmar lynch that he originally wanted to see Palmar dead D1 already - but he didn't vote him. marvellosity's switch feels weird to me but yeah...not gonna put the tinfoil hat back on again, he was the one to initiate the whole Palmar thingy. Rels feels townie to me. He's active and eager to do stuff, but the biggest thing is his genuine reaction to the LS replacement. On second thought though I'm not sure if that really was an alignment indicative dumbtell. I'd take it as that if LS would flip red, I'd lock Rels as town then. But - I do not know about LS' alignment, so yeah. Head and heart tell me though that Rels is town. disformation feels to me like he is playing a weak town game. He doesn't dare to push people, although he picks stuff every now and then. I wish he'd actually push some people, drop some committed reads, instead of just staying in his comfort zone. He's either a townie afraid to appear bad or a scum guy playing a very soft, careful game. His D1 felt very townie to me, but I think he got away with my town read too easy. However he ended up voting the Palmar train and went through with that - I don't think scum!disformation would have the guts for such a bus. So I'll paint him green here, too. VayneAuthority's activity level feels similar to what I learnt of him in other games. Town lean at this point, but not enough to paint him green in the PoE-kind-of-VCA I'm currently doing here. I paint him green because he was early on the Palmar wagon and did not leave at any point. This is not a 100% town read - but I want to simplify things. boxerfred is town, I know that. Gonna add the colours.. Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy nooniansong was scumread by me D1. I don't understand exactly why people like marv (?) started to townread him and I would really like to get an explanation on that from the guys who townread him. If he's scum, his vote was safe and sound on Zyrre. A solid no-risk-scum-play at D1. darthfoley really dropped off in activity. At least that's how I feel like. I need to filter-dive here and I'm glad for anyone dropping reads on those two guys. NocturneMage - can't drop a read, didn't look into yet. Gotta do this though to at least gain some impression. Only impression I have is from D1 where NM fought VA, and I'm not sure how to judge that. Last, but not least: MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night. Onegu got replaced by LightningStrike. LS should step up now and do something for town. If he remains rather low activity and lurky, he should be lynched sooner or later. No way to have this guy in LYLO. What do you guys think? I was around once at D1 and not sooner so there was no way I could have changed my vote as either alignment. 
Also, that's a very strange reason to townread someone. If you think Koshi is scum then both scum switching to save Palmar would have looked very strange, especially as JAT flipped town. So definitely one scum wouldn't have switched while Koshi worked to save Palmar's ass. Unless you really think mafia would be so dumb as to all switch to save Palmar.
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On February 09 2016 22:44 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 22:20 marvellosity wrote: Koshi's filter also makes me think kush is town. Hm this is interesting since I located him in a rather scummy spot in my post above. Koshi was voting nooniansong D1, I didn't pay attention to this. So if Koshi flips red, we have nooniansong in a safe spot. noted for my filter
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On February 09 2016 23:31 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:25 NocturneMage wrote: Yeah Noon, I'm pretty positive VayneAuthority is mafia. He is the most likely mafia on the Palmar train (and something tells me there IS one on the Palmar train), and there are several reasons related to the vote and unrelated to the vote that make him mafia.
I also called out VA's poor townread on Koshi, let me show you his reaction to that. You might have missed it earlier.
I can understand why people wouldn't scumread him though, he was on the Palmar train and nothing is a so-called slam dunk argument on him, but there are several "little things" that add up as I was going through his filter Day 1. Can you summarize in like a bullet list why that is? I'd sheep you for your Palmar stuff from D1 that I just discovered. And keep in mind that darthfoley is currently under everyone's radar. Dunno how much I like that. That feels very bullshity too. You were convinced palmar is town but you didn't read the main case against him ? Weird.
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On February 10 2016 03:38 Rels wrote: Yo I'm around but on phone atm I ve have thought of something: I find weird the way LS reacted to me being super bad mannered. Like, I expect LS to be super virulent when being attacked, that's how I townread a few times actually in several games. Here he said nothing until va corrected me and then he was like "oh he made a mistake" It's like super not strong cause he could just have missed the moment I posted and va didn't correct me, but ... Thinking about it, I expected LS to be more, like, active about it
Anyway bad feeling aside, will catch up Lol I actually asked about something about the obs posting. But that was before you told me to GTFO. When I saw it though I pretty much knew you didn't read that I had replaced into Onegu's slot so I kinda chuckled at that
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On February 10 2016 04:01 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 03:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: wait he claimed cop? i might have to go back and actually read the thread lolol Nah, didn't actually claim. But there were a bunch of posts like this: Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 03:34 boxerfred wrote:On February 07 2016 03:17 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2016 03:15 boxerfred wrote: So, here's my situation: I'm gonna be the D2/D3 lynch.
Basically, if Palmar flips scum, I'm fucked since I said he's town. If he flips town, I'm fucked since "HOW COULD YOU KNOW THAT BOXERFRED HOW COULD YOU BE SO SURE".
Here are my mistakes for post-game: letting myself rage hard at people like Moosy, Chez and nooniansong and their styles of posting. If I consider to play some more mafia games, I should learn to deal with that.
I think the vig shot is still better on nooniansong by the way. Ok. I'll shoot Kush. Best target by far. Okay I'll cop-check confirmed town in disformation then so I can fin(n)d scum next night yo He clearly said " I am cop" somewhere, when he was raging against palmar s lynch
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On February 10 2016 04:05 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 03:38 Rels wrote: Yo I'm around but on phone atm I ve have thought of something: I find weird the way LS reacted to me being super bad mannered. Like, I expect LS to be super virulent when being attacked, that's how I townread a few times actually in several games. Here he said nothing until va corrected me and then he was like "oh he made a mistake" It's like super not strong cause he could just have missed the moment I posted and va didn't correct me, but ... Thinking about it, I expected LS to be more, like, active about it
Anyway bad feeling aside, will catch up Lol I actually asked about something about the obs posting. But that was before you told me to GTFO. When I saw it though I pretty much knew you didn't read that I had replaced into Onegu's slot so I kinda chuckled at that  Yeah I suppose that makes sense
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On February 09 2016 23:32 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 19:56 Rels wrote:On February 09 2016 19:42 marvellosity wrote: Rels, you were the first to properly case Koshi n1 / start of d2 weren't you? No NM did D1. I didn't properly case Koshi D1, but i'm pretty sure that I scum read him like 2 posts before NM did. I'm going to reread VA's filter today, especially regarding his town reading of Koshi. Will be back around 4PM EST Damn. I'll talk to nm so he gets the credit you deserve back to you
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So Rels what you think of boxerfred's case on Chezinu?
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On February 09 2016 23:37 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:30 disformation wrote:On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:Here's my scumreads. Kind of in order and kind of not. - Koshi
- VayneAuthority
- meta point: none of his usual sharpness, seems unsure of who he wants to push
- weird townread on koshi:
I still don't have a 100% tr on koshi but leaning town. its possible because of how the game played out + we have a lot of good players he doesnt feel the need to do much? i dont know honestly. All i can remember is him tunneling you and doesn't seem super cocky on any reads besides that which isnt normal. I get the point about koshi not needing to do much but I don't get why that makes him lean town.
- omgusing nm
- LightningStrike
- It seems like he is trying to gloss over koshi suspicion and push it onto me:
On February 09 2016 08:48 LightningStrike wrote: So Koshi might be a good lynch. The way he defended Palmar seems weird but he attacks Kush for not trying this game which he claims as a tell from his last scum game. I will check kush in a little bit. - he talks about his thoughts before he replaced in which are now completely irrelevant, plus he's having trouble townreading people who are obvious town:
On February 09 2016 08:16 LightningStrike wrote:Okay so Rels thoguht I was a obs when I had just replaced Onegu. Also I found it funny that the people who were NK'd were all scumreading my slot. Kinda awkward for me tbh >.< I originally thought JAT was going to be scum because of his attitude at EoD1/Night 1 area because he normally a ass as scum from my memory. Oh well my read on JAT was bad apparently  I kinda want to give Rel's a townread because he actually seemed to want to solve the game and doesn't seemed to buddy with people if I read his stuff right.
- Chezinu
- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
- MoosyDoosy
- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Town Circle - Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now. - marv is active lol - NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green - darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later. - disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek - Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool. - Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into: - boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad. - noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much. - I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again. - tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
I can see your 1) point on LS coming from a town mindset. Otherwise I think I like this. Need to reread VA. You have a TR on boxerfred, but couldn't find an explanation in your filter. TBH you like don't talk about boxer at all. Could you explain your TR on boxer?  i'm not going to read boxer's filter so ill just point out what ive noticed (in a list because those are my new favorite things) - abysmal play in his last scum game. I remember him making one serious post and afking. So that makes him lean town due to both tone and activity.
- he's thinking pretty deeply about stuff, even if that stuff is vca
- i doubt bfscum would still be trying so hard at this point
You're wrong on 1 and 3, bf is tryhard as scum.
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On February 10 2016 04:08 LightningStrike wrote: So Rels what you think of boxerfred's case on Chezinu? Good, chez is likely scum.
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