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Noon, can you also elaborate on what Chez "should" be doing that is missing?
As in, when he DOES make reads, how does he actually do it? You said day 1 he talks in code or by theme or whatever it was and he was sort of doing it day 1? Also is he a low-volume poster? Does he interact with people and then make reads?
I know this sounds dumb but given the sheer difficulty I've had trying to figure out the damn filter, I'm probably going to need some help here.
My big issue is that there are three mafia left here, Koshi, almost certainly one of them, and I have decent reason to scumread both Moosy and VayneAuthority.
boxerfred is possible, the day 1 vote is yuck, but I'm seeing town tells scattered throughout as I read his filter. I wouldn't lynch him before Koshi or VA at this moment.
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I need to AFK but I'll be back.
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On February 10 2016 05:10 NocturneMage wrote:Nooniansoong, I just saw your Moosy read. + Show Spoiler [Your Moosy read] +On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:[*] Chezinu- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
[*] MoosyDoosy- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Town Circle
- Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now.
- marv is active lol
- NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green
- darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later.
- disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek
- Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool.
- Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into:
- boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad.
- noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much.
- I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again.
- tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
Do you see a pattern here? Day 1 reads+ Show Spoiler +(Regarding townreading ritoky versus Damdred) On February 05 2016 15:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would honestly not take you ritoky. As adorable as you are, I prefer a Damdred leap of faith over you right now. Especially right now. On February 05 2016 15:11 NocturneMage wrote:
Why? On February 05 2016 15:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
something about reading disfo, and ritoky by extension, his push onto someone, and something else i forget. On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:
phoneposting
So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.
mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote:
I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case. On February 08 2016 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense? Along with another point raised earlier to disformation about Moosy dodging questions: + Show Spoiler [addressing the question dodging of Moosy] +On February 09 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote:
at disformation
between the two solo voters, MoosyDoosy is more likely mafia than Onegu. it isn't super likely a scumteam would have 2/4 off wagon, even so look at other attributes.
onegu there is absolutely zero indicative information either way.
MoosyDoosy could be scum because:
(1) repeated question dodging/not giving reads when requested (at least 3 occasions I've counted) - has bailed on me twice when questions have been asked directly of him, once day 1 and once early day 2
(2) reasons for scumreading/not trusting ritoky day 1 in context were extremely murky, vague and evasive
(3) even if Rels verified that MD's meta read on him was correct, he also townread me a bit too easily.
namely that I was town for being illogical/convoluted, whereas disformation and Rels scumread me for the exact same thing.
pretty sure now that read was contrived.
(4) Day 2 he stated that Rels' activity dropped off when the opposite was true - he was pushing Koshi. Instead of giving a read on Rels, Moosy gave another evasive answer (post 1854)
(5) bottom of page 95, I pressed him for a read on Rels AGAIN. He gave another deflective answer AGAIN. (post 1898) Nothing after that after I had to go to bed.
his "dumbtelling" is very easy to fake as mafia, and it's been a known fact since Fullmetal.
I would use other criteria (less fake-able) to ensure he's town if he somehow is.
I will expand on these points with quotes when I'm back on a laptop if I need to but references should be obvious. Are we possibly seeing a pattern here? All in all, if you read Moosy's entire filter, he's not committing to much of anything in terms of scumreads (except the obvious town ones). These points together? Alongside the solo vote, Moosy has a decent shot of being scum. Thoughts?
Not sure which pattern you mean, besides him not given good reads/cases and generally being a bit dodgy?
But yeah that is probably enough to give him a fair chance at being scum. xD
Also skimmed over his filter and it wasn't hot at all.
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On February 10 2016 04:30 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:31 boxerfred wrote:On February 09 2016 23:25 NocturneMage wrote:
Yeah Noon, I'm pretty positive VayneAuthority is mafia. He is the most likely mafia on the Palmar train (and something tells me there IS one on the Palmar train), and there are several reasons related to the vote and unrelated to the vote that make him mafia.
I also called out VA's poor townread on Koshi, let me show you his reaction to that. You might have missed it earlier.
I can understand why people wouldn't scumread him though, he was on the Palmar train and nothing is a so-called slam dunk argument on him, but there are several "little things" that add up as I was going through his filter Day 1. Can you summarize in like a bullet list why that is? I'd sheep you for your Palmar stuff from D1 that I just discovered. And keep in mind that darthfoley is currently under everyone's radar. Dunno how much I like that. It's fine to bring my name up, because it's true that I have been kind of set aside as town-lean by most people besides you. I find this point to be a mini town read towards you. Feel free to question me, but I think it's clear that although my activity is lower than in the Newbie town game I just finished, my play has been quite different from the one game I was scum. Not a big sample size to consider tbf. The only thing is, you've brought up my name multiple times as potential scum, but your only reason has been my filter length/activity, which I think is easily understandable in this sort of game: there are lots of experienced good players, so I have no problem taking a step back and being more introspective in my posts than leading the town. It wouldn't really make sense tbh. Activity needs to be complimented by other stuff if you're serious about potentially scum reading me... otherwise, it is kinda pointless imo
Nah, I never brought you up as a scumread of mine, I brought you up as a low activity guy I need to look into to get a grip on him. As of now, I'll just sheep town since i'm lazy anyways.
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On February 10 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:
@VayneAuthority:
Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games?
basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens
On February 10 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
all of those things make me town though, that is basically my town meta in a nut shell. Still curious why you meta everyone else and then continually refuse to look at my past games, ive asked multiple times now for proof that I don't do these things as town.
Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers
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Hey VA, are you going to address why Noon thinks you are scum?
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On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:
@VayneAuthority:
Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games? basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
all of those things make me town though, that is basically my town meta in a nut shell. Still curious why you meta everyone else and then continually refuse to look at my past games, ive asked multiple times now for proof that I don't do these things as town. Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers
yes or no plx. -.-
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On February 10 2016 05:25 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 05:10 NocturneMage wrote:Nooniansoong, I just saw your Moosy read. + Show Spoiler [Your Moosy read] +On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:[*] Chezinu- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
[*] MoosyDoosy- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Town Circle
- Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now.
- marv is active lol
- NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green
- darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later.
- disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek
- Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool.
- Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into:
- boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad.
- noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much.
- I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again.
- tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
Do you see a pattern here? Day 1 reads+ Show Spoiler +(Regarding townreading ritoky versus Damdred) On February 05 2016 15:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would honestly not take you ritoky. As adorable as you are, I prefer a Damdred leap of faith over you right now. Especially right now. On February 05 2016 15:11 NocturneMage wrote:
Why? On February 05 2016 15:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
something about reading disfo, and ritoky by extension, his push onto someone, and something else i forget. On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:
phoneposting
So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.
mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote:
I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case. On February 08 2016 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense? Along with another point raised earlier to disformation about Moosy dodging questions: + Show Spoiler [addressing the question dodging of Moosy] +On February 09 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote:
at disformation
between the two solo voters, MoosyDoosy is more likely mafia than Onegu. it isn't super likely a scumteam would have 2/4 off wagon, even so look at other attributes.
onegu there is absolutely zero indicative information either way.
MoosyDoosy could be scum because:
(1) repeated question dodging/not giving reads when requested (at least 3 occasions I've counted) - has bailed on me twice when questions have been asked directly of him, once day 1 and once early day 2
(2) reasons for scumreading/not trusting ritoky day 1 in context were extremely murky, vague and evasive
(3) even if Rels verified that MD's meta read on him was correct, he also townread me a bit too easily.
namely that I was town for being illogical/convoluted, whereas disformation and Rels scumread me for the exact same thing.
pretty sure now that read was contrived.
(4) Day 2 he stated that Rels' activity dropped off when the opposite was true - he was pushing Koshi. Instead of giving a read on Rels, Moosy gave another evasive answer (post 1854)
(5) bottom of page 95, I pressed him for a read on Rels AGAIN. He gave another deflective answer AGAIN. (post 1898) Nothing after that after I had to go to bed.
his "dumbtelling" is very easy to fake as mafia, and it's been a known fact since Fullmetal.
I would use other criteria (less fake-able) to ensure he's town if he somehow is.
I will expand on these points with quotes when I'm back on a laptop if I need to but references should be obvious. Are we possibly seeing a pattern here? All in all, if you read Moosy's entire filter, he's not committing to much of anything in terms of scumreads (except the obvious town ones). These points together? Alongside the solo vote, Moosy has a decent shot of being scum. Thoughts? Not sure which pattern you mean, besides him not given good reads/cases and generally being a bit dodgy? But yeah that is probably enough to give him a fair chance at being scum. xD Also skimmed over his filter and it wasn't hot at all.
That was pretty much the gist of my argument.
Especially when you compare that to his filters - in terms of sheer quality of reads - from Fullmetal and Drams and you should have a much better idea of what I'm talking about.
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On February 10 2016 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 05:25 disformation wrote:On February 10 2016 05:10 NocturneMage wrote:Nooniansoong, I just saw your Moosy read. + Show Spoiler [Your Moosy read] +On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:[*] Chezinu- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
[*] MoosyDoosy- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Town Circle
- Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now.
- marv is active lol
- NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green
- darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later.
- disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek
- Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool.
- Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into:
- boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad.
- noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much.
- I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again.
- tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
Do you see a pattern here? Day 1 reads+ Show Spoiler +(Regarding townreading ritoky versus Damdred) On February 05 2016 15:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would honestly not take you ritoky. As adorable as you are, I prefer a Damdred leap of faith over you right now. Especially right now. On February 05 2016 15:11 NocturneMage wrote:
Why? On February 05 2016 15:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
something about reading disfo, and ritoky by extension, his push onto someone, and something else i forget. On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:
phoneposting
So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.
mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote:
I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case. On February 08 2016 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense? Along with another point raised earlier to disformation about Moosy dodging questions: + Show Spoiler [addressing the question dodging of Moosy] +On February 09 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote:
at disformation
between the two solo voters, MoosyDoosy is more likely mafia than Onegu. it isn't super likely a scumteam would have 2/4 off wagon, even so look at other attributes.
onegu there is absolutely zero indicative information either way.
MoosyDoosy could be scum because:
(1) repeated question dodging/not giving reads when requested (at least 3 occasions I've counted) - has bailed on me twice when questions have been asked directly of him, once day 1 and once early day 2
(2) reasons for scumreading/not trusting ritoky day 1 in context were extremely murky, vague and evasive
(3) even if Rels verified that MD's meta read on him was correct, he also townread me a bit too easily.
namely that I was town for being illogical/convoluted, whereas disformation and Rels scumread me for the exact same thing.
pretty sure now that read was contrived.
(4) Day 2 he stated that Rels' activity dropped off when the opposite was true - he was pushing Koshi. Instead of giving a read on Rels, Moosy gave another evasive answer (post 1854)
(5) bottom of page 95, I pressed him for a read on Rels AGAIN. He gave another deflective answer AGAIN. (post 1898) Nothing after that after I had to go to bed.
his "dumbtelling" is very easy to fake as mafia, and it's been a known fact since Fullmetal.
I would use other criteria (less fake-able) to ensure he's town if he somehow is.
I will expand on these points with quotes when I'm back on a laptop if I need to but references should be obvious. Are we possibly seeing a pattern here? All in all, if you read Moosy's entire filter, he's not committing to much of anything in terms of scumreads (except the obvious town ones). These points together? Alongside the solo vote, Moosy has a decent shot of being scum. Thoughts? Not sure which pattern you mean, besides him not given good reads/cases and generally being a bit dodgy? But yeah that is probably enough to give him a fair chance at being scum. xD Also skimmed over his filter and it wasn't hot at all. That was pretty much the gist of my argument. Especially when you compare that to his filters - in terms of sheer quality of reads - from Fullmetal and Drams and you should have a much better idea of what I'm talking about.
Ah makes sense. 
Had a slight problem following the post cause long and mucho quotes. Am still tired. xD
Yeah, was looking over his fullmetal game yesterday. He had like cases and stuff! Well they were on town, but he did stuff!
So yeah, he can be one of my now four scum reads.
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yo @ VA I was skimming the filters of your last 4 town games. Went faster than expected since your biggest filter was like 5 pages... I would have scum read you in every single one of them. xD
But TBH I am not a huge fan of reading games I had 0 involvement with, since it is hard to grasp the contexts of posts n flowers. So if you are town I would really love to work with us a bit.
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On February 10 2016 04:25 boxerfred wrote:
Also, if you look at my meta, please also keep in mind that I said in my last game that I really would try next game. That I would schedule time to participate and that I would try to improve a lot. Check the observer qt from, I think, Unkown? Or Unoriginal Name? Rels, you should remember what I said in that obs qt, you directly answered it.
Yeah lynching you for tryharding is kinda wrong i guess.
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On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:
@VayneAuthority:
Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games? basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens
On February 04 2016 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
nocturnemage probably scum, that post is str8 up garbage. i have to check his past games I guess
On February 04 2016 13:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
well jokes aside I will give you space for now, apparently you are good as town so no reason to day 1 lynch you
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Is bf dumb telling hard or what? Do we believe it?
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On February 10 2016 06:04 marvellosity wrote:Is bf dumb telling hard or what? Do we believe it?
I have a hard time deciding on that. He's been doing it a few times already
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We're 8-4 right now right ? Without something messing up with the KP in two different nights we only have 1 mislynch to spare ... seems super harsh TBH.
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Oh no we're 9-3. 8-3 tomorrow, so 2 mislynches, unless the anti blue stuff hit, then we need one KP-free night to keep the 2 mislynches.
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8-3 because we killed Palmar
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On February 10 2016 04:33 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 04:31 boxerfred wrote:
What the fuck
I feel like I messed up the cycles completely. 24 night 48 day, right? I thought this would be first 24h of day 4? This is night 2, ends tonight midnight CET, then begins 48h day 3. boxerfred, what do you think about my post on page 117 (post 2333). You asked for it.
Just now got to read in more carefully.
I fully agree with (3).
Regarding (4) - Had to think about that a second, but here's my conclusion: I guess it does make sense that a named VT is a potential target for the strongarm shot, or at least that's a debatable move. However the "lead town D1" stuff is extremely shitty. Also, let's be honest - a named VT can be quite strong endgame, right? So it wouldn't make sense to out D1. Also, bluehunting is considered to be scummy, so yeah.
Regarding (2) - his reactions (the quoted ones, didn't get back into his filter) do not feel like the VA I got to know. In the games I played with him, he was low activity but seemed to not give a fuck about people pushing him. VA, can you disprove me here? The Palmar vote is awkward, but I think it's not necessarily scum indicative. He's 3rd on that wagon, bit early to bus.
And (1) - yeah, true.
So actually, VA is not on top of my lynch list after that, I can see him being scum though.
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