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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 22:14 GMT
#1261
On January 30 2016 07:00 Eden1892 wrote:
hmmmmmmm.

I'm a bit skeptical about this roleblock claim. I don't know how reasonable it is to be suspicious of kush for this though.

Basically, knowing there was a vig, and knowing the mafia know there was a vig, they had three possible roles to play around:

1. the vig (of course)
2. the veteran
3. the doctor

It's plausible to roleblock somebody to play around a vigilante, which is the main reason why I don't think the claim is too weird. I don't know why kush though.

But when you consider that they would also know about a protective role, wouldn't it make more sense to use the roleblock on that instead of trying to roleblock to maybe protect someone?

Like I can't imagine using the roleblocker to protect Jesus from vig!Kush. The number of things you'd have to have lined up to make that a reasonable play are a bit too high for me.
1. you'd have to have a good read on kush being the vig. I don't see how you would do that. Maybe reading kush lying low as a blue makes sense, but specifically vig doesn't really make sense to me.
2. you'd have to have a good read on kush wanting to shoot Jesus. if you read him as vig I guess that's safe.
3. Jesus would also have to be mafia. obviously, but still worth noting.

That's just a lot of moving parts. I don't think that's what did it.

And obviously, since they shot Alur, they weren't playing around a veteran.

So that leaves a doc. I don't remember kush being adamant about Alur being town... far from it, kush suggested Alur could be mafia at a couple of points. I guess if you just are trying to hit the doc at random then kush is an ok target for lying low...

but then that raises another question. If they reasonably thought kush was doc, why not shoot kush?


That leaves me with four possible explanations:
1. Mafia thought kush was the vig and roleblocked him to protect Jesus. This means Jesus is mafia and the mafia also didn't feel the need to play around a veteran. Lots of parts here but not impossible.
2. Mafia thought kush was the doc and roleblocked him to prevent him from protecting someone. This could be the case I guess, but it makes very little sense because I would basically always shoot the doc n1 if I had a good read on him.
3. Mafia didn't really think kush was anything and just roleblocked him. This is clearly suboptimal mafia play: if there's a vet in the game, you rb your kill if you don't think anyone else is a blue, and if there's a doc in the game and you don't think it's kush, you rb someone else to try to hit the doc.
4. kush is fakeclaiming rb.

(*: Obviously claiming roleblocked doesn't confirm you town, and is NAI, but sometimes townies take an illogical stance on the roleblock and incorrectly (from a process standpoint) confirm a townie to be town. Why risk that if you don't really have a lead on a blue?)

So basically, either kush is mafia or Jesus is. Because kush's rb claim can only be genuine from the standpoint where the mafia think kush is the vig, and they used the rb to protect Jesus from kush.

I'd have to go look and see if Jesus is the one. kush did seem to be mostly on Jesus.

Hmm This is all correct. I am going to have to read Kush filter and really see honestly. I mean the Rb on kush like you said doesn't make sense at all.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 29 2016 22:17 GMT
#1262
Skimmed kush's filter super fast. Incriminated by this claim are the following players:

JesusIncarnate
Tumblewood
Ikidomari

Especially Jesus, as kush had a quality want to lynch Jesus all game, but Tumblewood and Ikidomari were both in his lists from braglists 1.1 onward.

Think it's gotta be Jesus or Tumblewood.

I also just don't think kush is mafia, fakeclaiming rb'd doesn't do anything.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 29 2016 22:19 GMT
#1263
I mean, Tumblewood is mafia either way. The question is just, is JesusIncarnate mafia?
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 22:19 GMT
#1264
Especially when it is easily disprove if mafia did in fact RB someone else (- Onegu/alur)
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 22:20 GMT
#1265
a course I do not see mafia, any mafia, Rbing Onegu last night
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 22:21 GMT
#1266
On January 30 2016 07:19 Trfel wrote:
I mean, Tumblewood is mafia either way. The question is just, is JesusIncarnate mafia?

Well yeah Tumblewood is pretty scummy as hell.
The question is: Who is the most Scummyest between them two.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 22:25 GMT
#1267
idk i am going to make a venn diagram comparing there scumming actions. Should be easy as i have already wrote a case on tumble and jesus filter is short.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 22:44 GMT
#1268
On January 30 2016 07:19 Shapelog wrote:
Especially when it is easily disprove if mafia did in fact RB someone else (- Onegu/alur)


I mean all kush mafia would have to do is rb alur, kill alur and claim kush was rb'd. It's like the simplest mafia action of all time. At first glance I agree with most of what Eden said. Will probably have to look at it again.

Also can't wait to hear PMT's stuff he/she has put together overnight
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 29 2016 22:44 GMT
#1269
Yo eden,,, blocking doctor to stop the save requires more moving parts than blocking the vig.

Also I think they killed alur rather than you so they didn't have to worry about a save,

I was pretty back and forth about both ikid and tumble.
Add to that Jesus is my obvious vig shot, since it is Optimal to kill someone Scummy with low activity.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 29 2016 22:51 GMT
#1270
On January 30 2016 07:19 Trfel wrote:
I mean, Tumblewood is mafia either way. The question is just, is JesusIncarnate mafia?


Why does this implicate tumblewood at all when I was very back and forth about him...
Why does it only maybe implicate Jesus when I was super in favor of lynching him and he's a good vig shot?

Looks like you misinterpreting the facts to push your agenda of lynching tumblewood.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 29 2016 22:53 GMT
#1271
On January 30 2016 06:22 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 10:07 nooniansoong wrote:
Braglist 1.2

Tumblewood
JesusIncarnate
Ikidomari
Onegu
He later got rid of Ikidomari, and showed increased suspicion for Tumblewood.

To me this is further evidence that Tumblewood is mafia, and suggests that JesusIncarnate is mafia.


also this quote. you say the evidence is that tumblewood is mafia, and SUGGETS (aka maybe) that jesus is mafia.

why does the evidence point more towards tumble?
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 22:57 GMT
#1272
Wait Tumble said that he got a bread crumb feeling from Darth early in the game! i saw it when i checked his filter for the venn!
On January 27 2016 12:50 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 10:03 darthfoley wrote:
Kush, i'm pretty sure that this wording indicates that mafia does know the specific setup, given that every mafia setup is the same.

The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!


Could be wrong, but that seems pretty explicit, no?


3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:


I am excited. To be fair, it's hard to be invested when only ~4 of 13 players have posted (when my quote you've used was written). I feel no pressure in terms of slip ups and stuff like that because i'm town, so I think it makes perfect sense that I come off as casual, especially on D1.

I like what Noon has thought up so far regarding PeppermintTea; I don't think it makes much sense to read someone's nervousness as a newbie town read. WIFOM but I was super stressed out and had no idea how to get my footing when I played mafia as my first game. If you're going to read someone as nervous, I think the right lean would naturally be scum.


and
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 07:06 darthfoley wrote:
On January 27 2016 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck.

What exactly is weird about anything Shapelog did? Specifics please.


The infamous Eden. Thankfully in this game I can answer your queries without having to worry about scum slipping

are the relevant posts. I noted these-- the reason for my slight scum read on him-- because of this too. Especially the second one: It's such a nothing post (says nothing of value) and directly alludes to himself being town. The wording is also really weird, too; it almost looks like breadcrumbing but it doesn't say anything. "I can answer your queries without having to worry about scum slipping" is such a weird and unhelpful thing to say that it sounds like an eight-year-old with a good vocabulary was saying it.

"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 23:00 GMT
#1273
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.

idk tbh what to think about it
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 23:01 GMT
#1274
I mean there is the chance he was talked out of it but logically how does he go from bread crumb on darth to kush as scum?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 29 2016 23:01 GMT
#1275
On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.

idk tbh what to think about it


I don't think it means anything about anyone.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 23:04 GMT
#1276
On January 30 2016 08:01 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.

idk tbh what to think about it


I don't think it means anything about anyone.

You think he got talked out of/changed his mind (since he ended up town reading Darth) if he is scum?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 29 2016 23:06 GMT
#1277
On January 30 2016 08:04 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 08:01 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.

idk tbh what to think about it


I don't think it means anything about anyone.

You think he got talked out of/changed his mind (since he ended up town reading Darth) if he is scum?


I don't think tumble thought it was a breadcrumb. He just said it was worded awkwardly like a breadcrumb.
I don't think it was a breadcrumb.
No breadcrumbs.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 29 2016 23:10 GMT
#1278
anyway
##vote trfel
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 23:11 GMT
#1279
On January 30 2016 08:06 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 08:04 Shapelog wrote:
On January 30 2016 08:01 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.

idk tbh what to think about it


I don't think it means anything about anyone.

You think he got talked out of/changed his mind (since he ended up town reading Darth) if he is scum?


I don't think tumble thought it was a breadcrumb. He just said it was worded awkwardly like a breadcrumb.
I don't think it was a breadcrumb.
No breadcrumbs.

Hmm maybe i misinterpreted it then.
What is funny is that neither Jesus or Tumble are here and been absent for over 10 hours.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 29 2016 23:12 GMT
#1280
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