Newbie Student Mafia XIX - Page 57

On January 29 2016 13:11 darthfoley wrote:
You call me scum read and town in the same post.

On January 29 2016 15:43 darthfoley wrote:


fixed.

Why do you feel the need to look at Eden when you just posted about how confident you were that his Kuragari vote was a town tell? He was #2 on your 6 person list in terms of towniness.

This post is lol

On January 29 2016 20:11 Ikidomari wrote:
nooniansoong
Votes: PeppermintTea, Onegu, JesusIncarnate.
Total Votes: 3

[spoiler]Noon votes for peppermint simply because "I can't understand her reads", even though she explained her reads fairly well, I believe that she believes her reads. Posts 258, 260, 262, 267. Vote happened on 272. very early on
Unvotes because PMT made a good read, Is now very confident in her read, votes Onegu because of PMT
Noon makes a slight scum read on Jesus, Simply because Jesus calls Eden "stupid" and then Jesus says "Eden is u[ in the Air"- 519, again in 623
Votes Jesus in 646

Even though I agree with Noon's read on Jesus, I think his reasoning is weak, and he was just looking for someone to vote for.

Another thing I'd like to point out, Jesus points out that "FYI, Mafia doesn't know the setup" - 268, even though it is clarified in Post#2 by LoneMeow that Mafia WILL know the setup.
I think this is scummy as hell, it would be SO easy for a Mafia player to pretend they don't know the setup, and then get townread for not knowing that mafia know the setup.
this may be WIFOM but Noon seems scummy as hell for me.
Nooniansoong: SCUM

On January 29 2016 22:22 Shapelog wrote:
Ikido.... There are so many crappy reads.
Big post picking apart Ikido reads.

On January 29 2016 22:28 nooniansoong wrote:


You are misrepresenting me. Let me clarify my reads then we'll see if you still think I'm scummy.

About PMT: What I didn't understand is her saying MA and Shape were talking a lot, nervous, and town. Those three things didn't fit together for me.
Talking a lot doesn't fit with nervous. Nervous doesn't fit with town.

About Jesus: He said Eden fell for newb scum tricks. Implicit in that statement is the assumption that Eden is town. Jesus later said that Eden was still up in the air. So if Jesus is making a statement assuming Eden is town, it does not make sense that his read on Eden is not also town.

About me not knowing that mafia knew the setup: What makes me not knowing as town less likely than me pretending not to know as scum? I agree you should't townread me for that but to scumread me for it is a stretch.

On January 29 2016 22:38 Ikidomari wrote:
You were never a top scum to me, Onegu and Trfel are far and away my biggest scum reads, I'm willing to believe you're town for now.

On January 29 2016 22:43 nooniansoong wrote:
@ikid
pmt - It wasn't clear to me she believed it. Why is it clear to you? Tone or something?

jesus - ok something made him suspicious of Eden, or so he claims, but then why did he write that Eden was tricked by scum? Only town can be tricked by scum.

On January 29 2016 22:55 Ikidomari wrote:
jesus- I reread his post where he says that eden is falling for noob strats, then that eden is up in the air. I don't think it's unreasonable to say "this person is town or mafia, but if they're town, they're stupid because [x], even though he didn't word it like that.

Unless he posts something really good in the next day, or someone else slips up real bad, my vote is staying with Jesus.

On January 29 2016 23:52 nooniansoong wrote:


This is a weird defense of Jesus considering you said this:

On January 29 2016 20:11 Ikidomari wrote:
Alright here's what I got regarding the votes

Peppermint Tea
Vote Kura, Vote Onegu, Vote Kura.
Total Votes: 3

TumbleWood (I just now noticed it's wood, not weed)
Vote Jesus
Total Votes: 1

"Vote Jesus unless he posts something to convince me he's town"- Jesus posts nothing to convince anyone he's town, tumble is clean and followed through on what he said, didn't join in any other bandwagoning. This points to town based purely on voting patterns.

Tumbleweed
looks like this is his first game, or one of his first, went very pro-active early, maybe a bit over-aggressive on the scum calls, but started making more town reads later on. I don't know, comes off as bad town trying too hard, or bad mafia to me, i'm not experienced enough to tell the difference. If I had to give a solid answer, I'd say he's bad town who changed his mind a bit too often in an attempt to get reactions out of people, falling over himself trying to avoid being mis-lynched.

JesusIncarnate
Didn't vote. Hasn't posted in over 15 hours, Last post was 300 posts earlier. He did say he would be busy with real life shit until Friday, he doesn't have a country associated with his TL account, so I don't know if Friday is today for him, or tomorrow. I still think he's scum, and I don't regret my vote on him. Unless he posts something really good in the next day, or someone else slips up real bad, my vote is staying with Jesus.

Alur
Vote: Kuragi
Total Votes: 1

Post 435, Alur says he disagrees with people townreading kuragi
Post 504, Alur calls out kuragi for being scummy
Post 533, Alur says his main scum reads are Kuragi and Trfel
Post 538, Alur explains why he's scumreading Kuragi
Post 545, Alur further explains scumreading Kuragi
Post 573, Alur Votes for Kuragi
Post 767, Alur Says he voted Kuragi because it was the only scumread that he personally thought of himself, and wasn't influenced by other players.

Alur has stuck by his guns the entire time, he was confident in his read, and gave kuragi a chance to defend himself in later posts, which kuragi failed to do. Alur is TOWN

Kuragari
Seems pointless to read into him too much, but anyway here it is.
Votes: Tumblewood
Total Votes: 1
In one of his posts kuragari said tumble was "slight scum" then eventually voted for him. nothing really interesting that caught my eye, I think the guy just wasn't that invested in this game.

DarthFoley
Votes: Kuragari, TumbleWood, Jesus, Kuragari.
Total Votes: 4
Foley's scum read of Kuragari was highly influenced by Alur's reads - post 537
Foley says he's considering voting Kura - 551
"the only people I'm comfortable voting are tumble and kuragari" - 560
Votes Kura - 574
Kuragari does nothing to defend himself, Trfel posts a read on tumble, DarthFoley immediately loves it, votes for tumble shortly after - 627, 630
DarthFoley makes his own analysis on JesusIncarnate, Votes Jesus Shortly after - 662, 663
Kuragari "slips" as doc, Foley is on it, Revotes Kuragari, 798, 800

All of Darth's votes were relevant to what was going on in the thread at the time, he made his own reads multiple times, all of his flips were justified in my opinion, and he consistently voted on who he thought was scummiest at the time
Foley is TOWN

nooniansoong
Votes: PeppermintTea, Onegu, JesusIncarnate.
Total Votes: 3

Noon votes for peppermint simply because "I can't understand her reads", even though she explained her reads fairly well, I believe that she believes her reads. Posts 258, 260, 262, 267. Vote happened on 272. very early on
Unvotes because PMT made a good read, Is now very confident in her read, votes Onegu because of PMT
Noon makes a slight scum read on Jesus, Simply because Jesus calls Eden "stupid" and then Jesus says "Eden is u[ in the Air"- 519, again in 623
Votes Jesus in 646

Even though I agree with Noon's read on Jesus, I think his reasoning is weak, and he was just looking for someone to vote for.

Another thing I'd like to point out, Jesus points out that "FYI, Mafia doesn't know the setup" - 268, even though it is clarified in Post#2 by LoneMeow that Mafia WILL know the setup.
I think this is scummy as hell, it would be SO easy for a Mafia player to pretend they don't know the setup, and then get townread for not knowing that mafia know the setup.
this may be WIFOM but Noon seems scummy as hell for me.
Nooniansoong: SCUM

On January 27 2016 09:17 nooniansoong wrote:



but don't these points contradict each other?
(a) he's nervous, which makes him (b) talk a lot of nonsense.
(b) talking a lot of nonsense makes him (c)townie.
So then by the transitive relation, a=c, him being nervous makes him townie.

Why would townies be nervous?

On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:

What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.


Why is it scummy to be casual?



He already explained it I think.

On January 28 2016 14:35 Ikidomari wrote:


Whoops, My bad. I'm going to vote on my top scum / useless town read at the moment, I'm open to changing this if people sway my opinion.

##Vote JesusIncarnate

nooniansoong
My read is good-town, asks some good questions, spots inconsistencies, doesn't hop on other people's scum reads and back them up, tries to dissect them and point out any flaws, good for getting more information.

Trfel
Votes: Onegu, Kuraragi, TumbleWood
Total Votes: 3

Trfel jokingly calls Onegu Mafia - 184
Trfel questions Onegu heavily throughout the thread, explains that He thinks Onegu is scum because Onegu isn't interested in finding scum, only in 'appearing useful'
Trfel says he was mistaken about Onegu, needs to reevaluate
Trfel Jumps on the Tumblewood Bandwagon, Unvotes Onegu, "embarrassed about newbies getting better scum reads than him" - 563, 571

This screams scummy as hell to me. I not only think that Trfel is Scum, I think that Trfel and Onegu are scum together, and this is a case of "I'm going to put some light pressure on you so people don't think we're teamed up, and then I'm going to jump off your case when there's a better target to reduce suspicion of us"

Trfel slightly defends kuragari in 540
Alur slightly sways Trfel towards Kuragari Scum in 546
Trfel thinks Alur is slightly scummy, at the same time that Alur read Himself (Trfel) as scum, and Onegu as slightly scummy - 722
Trfel says to not lynch kuragari - 866
Trfel realizes that Kuragari is most likely going to be lynched, jumps on the bandwagon for weak reasons- "I was misinterpreting the situation" - 869

Trfel is one of my top SCUM reads. Onegu is up there too, I'll get to that soon.

Onegu
Votes: No-one
Total Votes: 0

Onegu called out Trfel Scum for only asking questions, confirms it a couple times- 341, 396, 461, 511, 520, Onegu continues to talk to Trfel but doesn't give any more evidence on why he's reading scum so strongly, just keeps saying "you are scum"
this serves purpose to make it seem like onegu and trfel aren't scum together, without actually putting any dirt on Trfel.
this is scummy as hell. Onegu is SCUM.

Unfortunately his kid's in hospital, so he's been a lot less active, and I don't have much else to read into. He's been very short and defensive with other players.

Onegu didn't vote because of his kid in hospital, so I can't read into his votes unfortunately, I assume he would have voted Trfel since there was basically zero chance of Trfel getting lynched anyway, and it would make his story seem more solid.

I genuinely hope his kid is okay, and he's able to rejoin the game soon, but for now I reinforce
ONEGU IS SCUM

MexicanAlien
Votes: Ikidomari, Tumblewood
Total Votes: 2
Mexican's read on me had a lot of good points, he came up with most of those points himself. He's doing a good job as town, 711, 712
he also calls me out for poor plays in 694, 698

Mexican gets more interested in tumblewood than me, agrees with other player's analysis, swaps his vote to tumble
693, 751, 752, 766, finally votes tumble on 768

Mexican Correctly chose to not lynch town, and voted on who he thought was most scummy at the time, while I don't agree with his reads (obviously), his posts scream town.
Mexican is TOWN

Eden
Votes: Onegu, Trfel, Ikidomari, Unvote / Revote Ikidomari,
Total Votes: 4
Eden has been one of the most active towns throughout the game, I sincerely believe that he is town due to the sheer amount of content he's posted. I'm not going to list it all here, but if you ask me I'll put in the effort and pick out posts.

His first vote for Onegu seemed to be in a joking manner, telling onegu to drop his tough guy act and play mafia (encouraging town to be more active, or forcing mafia to put in more effort)

in post #589 Eden posts his own reasoning and a good analysis on why he's going to vote for Trfel, then promptly does so, this is a good post and a solid read / vote in my opinion.

Then there's the whole debacle with me appearing scum as hell, eden is very fast to call me out for being scummy, and put on a lot of pressure.
Eden is playing extremely town, and deserves credit for it.
Eden is TOWN.

Shapelog
Votes: PMT, Onegu, Ikidomari, Kuragari
Total Votes: 4
Posts a very large post on PMT, several original ideas regarding her being scum, promptly votes- 278
Onegu pushes shape, shape pushes back, calls out onegu for not wanting to solve the game (a fair analysis in my opinion), says he considers onegu more scummy than PMT, votes Onegu.- 416
votes me for obvious reasons, posts a few ideas on why he thinks i'm scummy / teamed up with darth / eden (who gave me a backdoor out) - 769, 782
Shape then reads other people's reasoning behind Kuragai Scum, and sides with them, trusting that if I'm scum I'll slip up and get lynched a day or 2 later.

My honest opinion is that shape is a weak town, his posting is all over the place, he seems to trust other's opinions more than his own, but I don't think he's mafia because of that.

Shape is TOWN, But i'll be paying a lot closer attention to his posts in future, I could easily switch between scum or town on this one.

On January 30 2016 00:08 nooniansoong wrote:
OK ikid that's fair. You're off my scumlist.

Your onegu/trfel reads are based on them both being scum together. Generally, it's bad to make connection theories like that, especially on day 1. By basing an assumption on another assumption(assumption #1 onegu is scum, assumption #2 trfel is scum), you are compounding the chance that you are wrong.

On January 30 2016 00:15 Shapelog wrote:

Nothing about PMT, nothing about how PMT practically voted Kura for no reasons other then a scum slip(?). How does he not commit on anything PMT did? I don't like the fact he practically ignore PMT.

This would be true if: He was actually here when Kura got accused. I can understand where you are calling him from, But you HAD (or at least saw) his former posts. Especially when you said:

You then later put him on a "keep a close Eye on" list without actually following up on it. Maybe some how you got from there to suggesting/feeling now that he is town(or more townie). All he has done is vote with you and the point that he stayed on his wagon is moot because he wasn't even here.

Completely understandable.

Unoriginal vote analyzes is Unoriginal. I town Alur, but i can find questions to ask. Why can't you?

Talking about who the person who gotten lynched isn't that amazing. But considering you did, lets look at the point you made. You, didn't see anything Interesting, yet you don't question why he ended up voting for a slight scum when late in the day he said that Alur was a scum lean? I am also seeing a lot of direct and indirect notations to Tumble. Maybe that is just because he was getting lynch.

It is weird that you do not even raise a Eyebrow though.

So wait. Trfel, who you think is scum, posts a read on tumble. And Darth jumping on it doesn't make you evening the remotely sus. of him?
And later (your read on me) I do things remotely similar and I get a lesser Town reading? Because i do not make actual reads? Yet all game I been giving out scum and town reads that were original. (MA, and PMT come to my head) Hell I have done the same too come voting who i thought was scum. Doesn't make sense.

1st Noon/Kush didn't just vote for PMT because he couldn't understand her reads.


2nd It is not that uncommon for a person to change their reads. The fact that Kush scummed PMT, and then after she made a case that he thought was good, Towned her is totally possible as a townie. It also, is complete possible, that he would take her view on as his own. Also how is it that he is scummy when you did the exact thing with Jesus?

"I am open to changing this if people sway my opinion." So you just put your vote on him because you couldn't find anyone else to lynch. OR you knew you could not convince people to lynch your scum reads.

Just really a Slanderous read.
Which is even more worse once i consider your early reads:

Which is just funny considering how you just read him. Especially when you look at the "doesn't hop on other people's scum reads" part. Shows you either didn't read the thread at the time or you are just lazy.

I am going to assume that you didn't just read the VCAs before you wrote this and tried to remain as unbiased as possible.
Sure, I can understand your reasons to scum read Trofl. Hell his play is shaddy at best if it is townie.
Actually when I looked at your filter you had Trolf as a scum read so points to you i guess.

I like your decapitation to your Trofl and Onegu scum team tinfoil. But all your read is on is Trofl Vs Onegu. Not once do you look at his other interactions. Therefore, you biasly read Onegu.
Bias = Mafia Agenda.

Again a focus on tumble. Agree that Mex is town

SO a town read based of activity and good analysises. You strongly Town read him which i do not see you doing if you are scum and partners with you b/c of my tinfoil.

Good job leaving a option to OMGUS me if you ever need. You basically haven't changed your read on my since your list of reads earlier.
TLDR:
So in Summary:
He slandered Kush, and even contradicted himself.
Calls Darth Town even though he jumped on his Top scum read's case (Trefl).
Lots of mentions to town Tumble, Even gives Tumble Town Cred for Not changing vote. Even though he wasn't there to change it.
Focused only on Onegu actions with Trofl to pushed his own agenda.
And a bunch of other scummy crap.

Ikido is mafia

On January 30 2016 00:15 Shapelog wrote:
TLDR:
So in Summary:
He slandered Kush, and even contradicted himself.

Calls Darth Town even though he jumped on his Top scum read's case (Trefl).

Lots of mentions to town Tumble, Even gives Tumble Town Cred for Not changing vote. Even though he wasn't there to change it.

Focused only on Onegu actions with Trofl to pushed his own agenda.

And a bunch of other scummy crap.

Ikido is mafia