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Bah I'm falling asleep so can't followup on Tubesock / GiygaS till tomorrow.
I will leave with my stronger preference on lynching Vayne. He is clearly not interested in engaging with town in any fashion. His best read after me is a total cop-out.
On January 10 2016 04:26 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:18 slOosh wrote:
Vayne, apart from me, could I have your strongest scum read? If i really had to pick, mderg, but it is a very weak/generic read at this point
And I just found out that while he doesn't bother adding to town discussion at all, he does make sure he leaves a vote on me in the voting thread.
On January 10 2016 13:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote: SLoosh
I think this is the best lynch right now.
##Vote VayneAuthority
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Being a little more specific would help me figure this out...
I think I understand what you are trying to say now.
You are saying that:
Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum
is the difference between Tubesock being "null" and Tubesock being "top lynch."
Is that correct?
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On January 10 2016 17:17 Eden1892 wrote:Being a little more specific would help me figure this out... I think I understand what you are trying to say now. You are saying that: Show nested quote +Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum is the difference between Tubesock being "null" and Tubesock being "top lynch." Is that correct?
Along with the context that that was basically his only content post, which I didn't think needed to be said in my post.
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and rayn, if you could, please provide a game for me where vayne did nothing because I don't see one as either alignment and if it's a different playstyle than ever played, then meta doesn't count for much
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On January 10 2016 17:19 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 17:17 Eden1892 wrote:Being a little more specific would help me figure this out... I think I understand what you are trying to say now. You are saying that: Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum is the difference between Tubesock being "null" and Tubesock being "top lynch." Is that correct? Along with the context that that was basically his only content post, which I didn't think needed to be said in my post.
So his reads made him your top lynch because he didn't explain them?
You realize that you argue this in the same post where you give a reads list, largely without any explanation of the reads therein, which has almost the exact same reads as the ones you're criticizing, right?
This is where I don't follow you and I'm starting to think Tubesock may be right. When I see that someone who hasn't posted much in the thread has remarkably similar reads to me, I generally move them from my null pile to my town-lean pile -- as their having similar reads is usually an indicator that they're seeing the same things I'm seeing.
If their posts are vague and that catches my attention, I usually ask them about their reads and why they came to the conclusions they did.
But I don't think I've ever had the idea that someone who had very similar reads to me is mafia for not explaining those reads very much. It just doesn't make sense.
And then in particular, the idea that he was null before that post, but top scum afterward, doesn't sit well with me or make much sense to me either. It would seem to me that if Tubesock had never posted that post, you would still have him in your null pile. But because he posts reads largely agreeing with you, and doesn't explain them as much, that makes him top scum?
I don't buy it.
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Im going to bed now. Ill be around all day tomorrow
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On January 10 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote:I didn't say I was unwilling to think about it. I don't get why you're being antagonistic with someone whose mind is open to not killing you, but I'd like you to stop. I thought he was town because I thought his entrance was solid. Just going to quote myself on it: Show nested quote +I like that this player, right from the start, was thinking about how to gain additional info about the setup. I think the answer to this question is "no" -- we don't need the information this early, and saving it until later may allow for a much bigger blowout if the hypothetical Named VT ends up under fire or the mafia get involved in some claims fiasco -- but I think looking toward this immediately at the game start is correct, as we were given additional relevant information to start the game (the four possible setups), and GiygaS immediately began thinking about how to maximize the use of this information. I looked at the rest of the filter for this player, and GiygaS is talking to what seems like half of the thread (and almost all of the active players), throwing early reads out and being willing to defend them on concrete (at least for 8 hours into day 1) grounds. That said, I'd certainly acknowledge that GiygaS had a significant drop-off in thread interaction since then, which weakens the read to some extent. In tandem with your argument (which I think is reasonable), it's enough to give me pause. I'm going to decline answering the rest of your questions for now, because I can think of a reason why town!GiygaS would do that, but I'm not going to fill that answer in for him. He'll have to explain himself without me giving him a freeroll. GiygaS: What do you mean when you say that Tubesock's townreads were weird? Why do you think they're weird when your views seem to be very similarly aligned to his?
Don't mean to be antagonistic. Apologies.
From my perspective it didn't appear you were at all willing to think about what I was writing. And it didn't help that I think your reasons were not very solid to town him.
Anyway, rereading his filter I don't see town in it. His reads to me seem pretty shaky and go with thread sentiment.
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Not much has changed in my reads in the last 4-5 pages.
Reading through Tubesock's filter I don't find it particularly scummy at all. He hasn't oozed town for me yet either but I'd put him as a 'questionmark im ok with for today'
I also don't really see a strong case against Vayn either. If we want to lynch a lurker with no content Kmatt is really the only option.
I'd prefer for it to go on boxer, sloosh, or mderg. I still don't trust darth but he's had a couple posts I felt better about, one of them being
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=16#314
something just about his process of hunting scum felt unlikely to be from a mafia to me
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I feel really confident that we need to lynch in sloosh, mderg, and boxer to hit mafia today.
I feel less confident about which one I specifically want to lynch today.
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Rayn give me 2 names who you want to kill today.
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i don't know yet. I am trying to read atm.
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I want to lynch mderg slightly less than sloosh and boxerfred.
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slOosh at which point you start not scumreading Koshi anymore?
You said you didn't change your vote immediately after you changed your opinion on him here:
On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all. Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi
What does this mean? Where does the read change, around which posts from Koshi?
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On January 10 2016 18:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to lynch mderg slightly less than sloosh and boxerfred.
I have absolutely no idea why boxerfred should be considered town.
slOosh's reasoning is pure crap, "asking why people townread the guy he is voting for is a towntell"? lol. 
I need to re-check what was going on in the thread but it feels like boxerfred is following certain thread sentiments (things i consider being accusations against townies) and ignoring other stuff (accusations i consider being against possible mafia).
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I don't want to lynch mderg either, mainly because i am not at all certain anymore Tubesock is mafia and he is kinda semi-defending him. Obviously this doesn't mean anything if the case is they are both scum but meh..i just don't feel that's the case here.
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Why noon over sloosh/boxer?
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EPT
