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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 07:42 GMT
#401
This does not pertain specifically to the current GiygaS vs. Tubesock discussion, but I would like to hear Noonian's reads. Haven't heard much from him in the last 12 hours, and what he has posted has been pretty uninteresting.

Also earth to Kmatt??
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 10 2016 07:42 GMT
#402
Why would a town use the 1 thing they should be towning someone for to scum read them?
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2016 07:42 GMT
#403
I understand the point you're making.

I still have a distinctly separate, stronger, desire to kill you, in no small part for the behavior you ascribed to yourself.

Perhaps you're missing my point. Your argument about GiygaS is reasonable. To this outside observer who already believes he's town and you're scum, it's not compelling enough. Why should I switch my vote?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 07:45 GMT
#404
On January 10 2016 16:37 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 16:30 slOosh wrote:
Eden, what do you think about Tubesock's point that GiygaS had more or less the same townreads as Tubesock, yet cites his townreads as the reason for voting Tubesock?

It's interesting, a pretty reasonable read.

But I would still rather kill Tubesock, as that's the only thing he's posted (as of me typing this) that's left me willing to consider not killing him, and as I already thought GiygaS was pretty solidly town.

What do you think?

I think it is a decently a compelling point against GiygaS and am interested in his response.

At this point I would place mderg, vayne and kmatt as lynch preferences. I don't see how people are reading mderg town, and I've yet the time to properly read vayne's meta b/c I don't really see any content from him.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 10 2016 07:47 GMT
#405
On January 10 2016 16:42 Eden1892 wrote:
I understand the point you're making.

I still have a distinctly separate, stronger, desire to kill you, in no small part for the behavior you ascribed to yourself.

Perhaps you're missing my point. Your argument about GiygaS is reasonable. To this outside observer who already believes he's town and you're scum, it's not compelling enough. Why should I switch my vote?


Then if you are unwilling to think about it more then you shouldn't.

Why do you think he's town?

Tell me exactly how a town would ever use weird town reads to scum someone when they have the same reads and there are plenty of other reasons to scum that person?

How is that possible? You think I'm going to bus my teammate so I can live instead of him?
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 07:51 GMT
#406
I didn't think him having town reads on those people was odd, I thought him classifying them as easy was odd (esp. noon).
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 10 2016 07:55 GMT
#407
So, basically, you are saying that if I simply said:

Town reads
Rayne, Eden, SloOsh, Noonsiansoong

then the rest as finished, you would think I'm town?
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 07:56 GMT
#408
I'm with sloosh on this one, I want to hear more on GiygaS regarding similarity of reads between the two and how that led to a scum read on Tubesock.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:00 GMT
#409
On January 10 2016 16:55 Tubesock wrote:
So, basically, you are saying that if I simply said:

Town reads
Rayne, Eden, SloOsh, Noonsiansoong

then the rest as finished, you would think I'm town?

That would have helped, when your filter is that short its hard to say much else when there's basically nothing else in your filter. There's nothing of substance in that except for that post, and the one just now where you scum read me because I scum read you for the wrong reasons.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2016 08:01 GMT
#410
I didn't say I was unwilling to think about it. I don't get why you're being antagonistic with someone whose mind is open to not killing you, but I'd like you to stop.

I thought he was town because I thought his entrance was solid. Just going to quote myself on it:

I like that this player, right from the start, was thinking about how to gain additional info about the setup. I think the answer to this question is "no" -- we don't need the information this early, and saving it until later may allow for a much bigger blowout if the hypothetical Named VT ends up under fire or the mafia get involved in some claims fiasco -- but I think looking toward this immediately at the game start is correct, as we were given additional relevant information to start the game (the four possible setups), and GiygaS immediately began thinking about how to maximize the use of this information. I looked at the rest of the filter for this player, and GiygaS is talking to what seems like half of the thread (and almost all of the active players), throwing early reads out and being willing to defend them on concrete (at least for 8 hours into day 1) grounds.


That said, I'd certainly acknowledge that GiygaS had a significant drop-off in thread interaction since then, which weakens the read to some extent. In tandem with your argument (which I think is reasonable), it's enough to give me pause.

I'm going to decline answering the rest of your questions for now, because I can think of a reason why town!GiygaS would do that, but I'm not going to fill that answer in for him. He'll have to explain himself without me giving him a freeroll.




GiygaS: What do you mean when you say that Tubesock's townreads were weird? Why do you think they're weird when your views seem to be very similarly aligned to his?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2016 08:02 GMT
#411
lots of crossposting. lot of night owls, it seems
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2016 08:02 GMT
#412
On January 10 2016 17:00 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 16:55 Tubesock wrote:
So, basically, you are saying that if I simply said:

Town reads
Rayne, Eden, SloOsh, Noonsiansoong

then the rest as finished, you would think I'm town?

That would have helped, when your filter is that short its hard to say much else when there's basically nothing else in your filter. There's nothing of substance in that except for that post, and the one just now where you scum read me because I scum read you for the wrong reasons.

Er, can you answer his question? "That would have helped" isn't an answer, and the rest of this is noise for the purpose of answering him.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 08:04 GMT
#413
i'm signing off for the night; i'll see you peeps tomorrow
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:05 GMT
#414
On January 10 2016 17:02 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 17:00 GiygaS wrote:
On January 10 2016 16:55 Tubesock wrote:
So, basically, you are saying that if I simply said:

Town reads
Rayne, Eden, SloOsh, Noonsiansoong

then the rest as finished, you would think I'm town?

That would have helped, when your filter is that short its hard to say much else when there's basically nothing else in your filter. There's nothing of substance in that except for that post, and the one just now where you scum read me because I scum read you for the wrong reasons.

Er, can you answer his question? "That would have helped" isn't an answer, and the rest of this is noise for the purpose of answering him.

At that moment, I would not think he was town but he would not be my top lynch choice. Now though, he still would be.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2016 08:07 GMT
#415
The difference between, effectively, "null" and "top lynch choice" comes down to him calling a few town reads easy?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:08 GMT
#416
On January 10 2016 17:07 Eden1892 wrote:
The difference between, effectively, "null" and "top lynch choice" comes down to him calling a few town reads easy?

And the other contents in that post.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2016 08:10 GMT
#417
What other contents? I need specifics. What else was in that post that you consider scummy and why do you consider it so?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:11 GMT
#418
Read the post that darth posted that I referred to, that tube so kindly quoted.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2016 08:12 GMT
#419
If you meant your post just now (the "noise" as I put it), then that boils down to "short filter."

So a short filter and him calling some of his town reads easy is the difference between "null" and "top lynch"?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 10 2016 08:14 GMT
#420
I'm talking about the post where he called the town reads easy, darth made a post saying basically the entire thing seemed off to him and I agreed with him.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
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