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@Eden
Contextually, I provided my reasoning to rayn because he asked me. Because I believe that you can discern alignment when someone shows good reasoning. To rayn, I gave my thinking process, because that was tremendously helpful last game we played together. It is true that my reads are very passive, because at that point I didn't have strong reads, so in lieu of that I gave my reasoning.
The alternative I could have posted was an honest "not much right now". But that wouldn't have generated discussion the way that me providing my reasoning has.
I didn't go ham on GGTemplar because I've gone ham day 1 on (newer) townies in the past and they weren't really able to recover from the pressure. So I took a roundabout approach.
Two town can absolutely look at the same thing and come to different conclusions. I picked out GiygaS out of rayn's inital list because he was the one that I came to a different conclusion on, so I asked rayn for his reasoning. The reasoning was good, even though I disagreed with the read.
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@Eden concerning Koshi - Setup talk is easy as either alignment. In fact, it's easier for scum to dwell in setup talk because they don't have to make any reads but look like they are contributing to discussion.
- If you take a look at Koshi's filter, he repeats the same post (not point, but actual post).
- I think you misread something - I was saying that Koshi had a weird exit, not noonian.
Point 1 and 2 go together in saying that Koshi has been posting frequently, but the content of his filter is lacking.
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On January 09 2016 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Although i wanna ask you something slOosh:
I understand the townie motive on the "makes sense" thingy Eden is questioning you about (although you can probably answer him on it yourself). What i don't understand is the following:
- You scumread GiygaS
- You ask me why i townread him.
- I tell you why i townread him.
- You say it makes sense but don't agree with the conclusion. (although you only state that later on, but it happens here)
- I ask you for your reads.
- You tell me one of the people who doesn't stand out is GiygaS
Now how do the red and the green part go together?
There should be nothing inbetween that makes you change your mind on GiygaS from "scum" --> "doesn't stand out" (no, the bolded part doesn't do that as you literally state that you don't agree with me).
Because I thought the point wasn't that alignment indicative either way, but it was interesting to see that you got a town feel from it when I was getting more a scum feel. In the followup post where I give some thoughts, I don't bother rehashing GiygaS because it was more or less null, and I had already given my reasoning just prior.
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Yea just finished catching up, wondering how to format it all
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Ok so I think it's a fair assessment to say that thus far in this game, I have been receiving the most flak. There's been some other things here and there, but not quite the same level as the attention to me.
Additionally, I would say that the general vibe thus far is quite good. There is a good atmosphere for discussion, people are talking and explaining instead of shouting / attacking.
So I would say that I expect mafia playstyle (in this context right now) to look more laid back, non intrusive and perhaps adding some fuel to the slOosh lynch wagon to make sure it goes through.
Who fits this bill?
mderg - I read him as detached from thread. I'm one of the biggest topics at this point and he has yet to say anything about me. He only posted when prompted and doesn't look interested in helping people figure things out.
Tubesock - rayn pointed out his complaint of something that had not happened yet. Scum complain about things without doing anything to help. He is lurking hard so tough to say more, but in this context, scum would be more likely to lurk.
VayneAuthority - hasn't produced any posts outside of getting suspicion on me - fits the bill of getting the D1 mislynch secured without putting more effort than necessary
Will answer GGTemplar's list next.
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On January 10 2016 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I wasn't super impressed by what boxer had to say.
@sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point.
Specifically mderg's read on darth.
I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations.
I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely.
On January 09 2016 14:07 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.
darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. Oh yea I just reread that, that was dumb of me.
If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post.
On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster".
Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances.
On January 10 2016 01:10 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Quick summary
koshi, eden, rayn
sloosh, mderg, darth how is koshi green in your head
I liked this post from boxerfred. He thinks Koshi is scum, and first thing he does is question why other people have town reads on him. He actually looks engaged in wanting either others convinced to lynch Koshi or himself convinced that Koshi is town.
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Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain.
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On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all.
Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg.
I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind
##Unvote Koshi
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rayn could you explain how VayneAuthority is town? How much does my alignment say in the matter?
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On January 10 2016 04:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all. Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi So who is your nr 2 mafia read?
mderg, vayne, tubesock in that order
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Vayne, apart from me, could I have your strongest scum read?
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Koshi you here? I need someone to spitball against.
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Eden, what do you think about Tubesock's point that GiygaS had more or less the same townreads as Tubesock, yet cites his townreads as the reason for voting Tubesock?
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On January 10 2016 16:37 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 16:30 slOosh wrote:
Eden, what do you think about Tubesock's point that GiygaS had more or less the same townreads as Tubesock, yet cites his townreads as the reason for voting Tubesock? It's interesting, a pretty reasonable read. But I would still rather kill Tubesock, as that's the only thing he's posted (as of me typing this) that's left me willing to consider not killing him, and as I already thought GiygaS was pretty solidly town. What do you think?
I think it is a decently a compelling point against GiygaS and am interested in his response.
At this point I would place mderg, vayne and kmatt as lynch preferences. I don't see how people are reading mderg town, and I've yet the time to properly read vayne's meta b/c I don't really see any content from him.
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Bah I'm falling asleep so can't followup on Tubesock / GiygaS till tomorrow.
I will leave with my stronger preference on lynching Vayne. He is clearly not interested in engaging with town in any fashion. His best read after me is a total cop-out.
On January 10 2016 04:26 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:18 slOosh wrote:
Vayne, apart from me, could I have your strongest scum read? If i really had to pick, mderg, but it is a very weak/generic read at this point
And I just found out that while he doesn't bother adding to town discussion at all, he does make sure he leaves a vote on me in the voting thread.
On January 10 2016 13:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote: SLoosh
I think this is the best lynch right now.
##Vote VayneAuthority
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and rayn, if you could, please provide a game for me where vayne did nothing because I don't see one as either alignment and if it's a different playstyle than ever played, then meta doesn't count for much
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Someone please, please, please explain to me because I'm just to dense to understand how VA isn't somewhere at the top of everyone's scumlist. Please don't be half-assed about it and say "well rayn thinks he is town so he must be town".
Read the first page of filter for each game, and see how he talks about multiple people and is at least interacting with thread.
Then look at his filter in this game and show me a single read. Show me a single point of input.
Tell me people who have VA as town, why? Why why why? Rayn, why?
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On January 10 2016 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:slOosh at which point you start not scumreading Koshi anymore? You said you didn't change your vote immediately after you changed your opinion on him here: Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all. Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi What does this mean? Where does the read change, around which posts from Koshi?
When he just started posting things of content? You want something specific?
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darth, join me voting for VA. I'm leading this now.
I'm still reading over the GiygaS / Tubesock thing but I don't think it's too incriminating on either side.
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