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So far for me:
Town: Damdred, ritoky
Questionable: HF, trfel, artanis
When I pushed Damdred for responses, he answered me. I think he could've very easily brushed me off with the mood in the thread at the time, but he didn't. Good enough so far for me.
ritoky changed his logic and thinking on trfel mid post. Though I guess it's not necessarily alignment indicative I think backing off of trfel mid post as he types, seems towny to me. I don't see the incentive to do this if he was scum.
Artanis/trfel - I initially had them both as town reads. Both of them seem to be playing off each other. Artansis specifically asking trfel what he thinks about something, then trfel coming in. But when I took a closer look at the filter, trfel immediately after scum reading me (following in artanis's lead) backs off it when the thread starts to shift away from scum reading me. I lean town on these 2 for now, but I think they're the same alignment: either both town or both scum.
HF - Not a big fan of HF so far. Really pushing Vivax based only on his lack of responding. At first he was only questioning others without offering his own reads, but he did start to at least back up some of his reads in the bottom half of P1 in his filter. I'm not convinced this super heavy pushing of Vivax is entirely justified just yet. I think I really dislike HF's style of heavy asking questions rather than presenting a case, but this doesn't make him scum.
I think in general HF asks too many questions that ultimately don't help with solving the game, while simultaneously offering up very little of his (is it her? I seem to recall HF being a woman) own opinions. But if I recall correctly I've had this opinion of HF in other games and it was incorrect. I lean scum on HF but not very heavily.
Those are my initial impressions of people that have stuck out to me so far.
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On December 27 2015 16:58 Onegu wrote:
But dota first
MMR?
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On December 27 2015 17:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 17:08 ExO_ wrote:
So far for me:
Town: Damdred, ritoky
Questionable: HF, trfel, artanis
When I pushed Damdred for responses, he answered me. I think he could've very easily brushed me off with the mood in the thread at the time, but he didn't. Good enough so far for me.
ritoky changed his logic and thinking on trfel mid post. Though I guess it's not necessarily alignment indicative I think backing off of trfel mid post as he types, seems towny to me. I don't see the incentive to do this if he was scum.
Artanis/trfel - I initially had them both as town reads. Both of them seem to be playing off each other. Artansis specifically asking trfel what he thinks about something, then trfel coming in. But when I took a closer look at the filter, trfel immediately after scum reading me (following in artanis's lead) backs off it when the thread starts to shift away from scum reading me. I lean town on these 2 for now, but I think they're the same alignment: either both town or both scum.
HF - Not a big fan of HF so far. Really pushing Vivax based only on his lack of responding. At first he was only questioning others without offering his own reads, but he did start to at least back up some of his reads in the bottom half of P1 in his filter. I'm not convinced this super heavy pushing of Vivax is entirely justified just yet. I think I really dislike HF's style of heavy asking questions rather than presenting a case, but this doesn't make him scum.
I think in general HF asks too many questions that ultimately don't help with solving the game, while simultaneously offering up very little of his (is it her? I seem to recall HF being a woman) own opinions. But if I recall correctly I've had this opinion of HF in other games and it was incorrect. I lean scum on HF but not very heavily.
Those are my initial impressions of people that have stuck out to me so far. i'd pout for old time's sake but honestly...eh i've been kinda not bothering with you either ^^ hihi! disagree on the vivax thing with hf, predominately because it is known that vivax will play as town and not as scum, though it's also true that viva has been mislynched for deliberately playing to his scum meta as town (no i don't understand why people use this cop out way of making themselves harder to read instead of just working on their scum game, but whatevs). that's all to say i think it's a legit enough read PLUS if hf is scum he'd 100% buss a scum viva who wasn't playing anyway, so this doesn't really matter imo i like that you're focusing on the big names instead of lynchbait tho ^^ might bump you into my do not lynch pile with oneg now i really should sleep :/
why's onegu in a do not lynch pile? The guy's done nothing in the game this far. Until he actually makes some effort I don't see why he shouldn't be lynched as an inactive for instance. What makes you think he's worth keeping so far?
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On December 27 2015 22:45 Vivax wrote:
Trfel is town I think and BF is meh for voting him off like that, could be lazy town too but won't know it if it stays that way.
##Vote boxerfred
this seems way out of left field. BF looks to me like he's basically inactive and doesn't give 2 fucks about this game. The trfel vote is bad but he looks to me more like a VT who just doesn't care about the game at all.
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On December 27 2015 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. [quote] Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7[quote] You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. [quote] ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- [quote] Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. [quote] [quote] this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. [quote] Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness? This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question. So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn? HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread.
Could you clarify the bolded, what direction was HF taking here?
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On December 27 2015 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so like... You think GB is scum because of his lack of direction in his questioning on Ness.
What do you make out of rsoultin basically saying the opposite -- and also scumreading GB for it?!?!?! We use the word direction in different ways is the issue here  What she meant with direction I think is the focus on this one point. What I mean with direction is that he doesn't seem to steer towards getting a better read on ness, but keeps asking questions that don't actually help him.
Do you really think GB's line of questioning indicates scum though? I didn't get that impression.
also went through the list of players and I got the following:
Inactives:
Nooniansoong (kush)
rels
waylanner (0 posts since game start)
moosydoosy (0 posts since game start)
boxerfred
coagulation
The Shinging
palmar
I'm assuming people with 0 posts will be mod killed at the end of the day, but the rest of the players on this list have hardly any posts in the game and certainly aren't contributing anything. I left out onegu and obiwan but arguably they could go on this list as well.
I think one off of this list should be killed if they do not start to be active in the thread in some way (and assuming that they won't be mod killed).
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Also I wrote this down in my notes but haven't mentioned it yet:
I disliked TickTock's post here:
On December 27 2015 13:35 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 13:25 Holyflare wrote:TickTock I suggest that you catch up and post some fleshed out reads rather than arguing semantics, it'll help expedite things nicely  You can also vote for Vivax or explain why you aren't for free bonus points. Which everyone else should be doing too. No thanks. Might vote Vivax though, we'll see.
What had ticktock done in the thread so far? Posted a rhyme said I looked okay despite my open (without explaining why I looked okay, or why my open didn't look okay) and then said he "might" vote Vivax. Seems scummy to me
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and I failed the spoiler tag @.@ strikethrough it is!
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On December 27 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though.
Does it? I don't seem to get a "I don't care what you think about me" vibe from him. I seem to get a wishywashy vibe that hasn't called anybody scum, has said a lot of "maybe" without explaining anything, and then disappeared. Looks scummy. I don't get an "I don't care" vibe at all here.
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Speaking about rsoult
On December 27 2015 17:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 17:18 ExO_ wrote:On December 27 2015 17:14 rsoultin wrote:On December 27 2015 17:08 ExO_ wrote:
So far for me:
Town: Damdred, ritoky
Questionable: HF, trfel, artanis
When I pushed Damdred for responses, he answered me. I think he could've very easily brushed me off with the mood in the thread at the time, but he didn't. Good enough so far for me.
ritoky changed his logic and thinking on trfel mid post. Though I guess it's not necessarily alignment indicative I think backing off of trfel mid post as he types, seems towny to me. I don't see the incentive to do this if he was scum.
Artanis/trfel - I initially had them both as town reads. Both of them seem to be playing off each other. Artansis specifically asking trfel what he thinks about something, then trfel coming in. But when I took a closer look at the filter, trfel immediately after scum reading me (following in artanis's lead) backs off it when the thread starts to shift away from scum reading me. I lean town on these 2 for now, but I think they're the same alignment: either both town or both scum.
HF - Not a big fan of HF so far. Really pushing Vivax based only on his lack of responding. At first he was only questioning others without offering his own reads, but he did start to at least back up some of his reads in the bottom half of P1 in his filter. I'm not convinced this super heavy pushing of Vivax is entirely justified just yet. I think I really dislike HF's style of heavy asking questions rather than presenting a case, but this doesn't make him scum.
I think in general HF asks too many questions that ultimately don't help with solving the game, while simultaneously offering up very little of his (is it her? I seem to recall HF being a woman) own opinions. But if I recall correctly I've had this opinion of HF in other games and it was incorrect. I lean scum on HF but not very heavily.
Those are my initial impressions of people that have stuck out to me so far. i'd pout for old time's sake but honestly...eh i've been kinda not bothering with you either ^^ hihi! disagree on the vivax thing with hf, predominately because it is known that vivax will play as town and not as scum, though it's also true that viva has been mislynched for deliberately playing to his scum meta as town (no i don't understand why people use this cop out way of making themselves harder to read instead of just working on their scum game, but whatevs). that's all to say i think it's a legit enough read PLUS if hf is scum he'd 100% buss a scum viva who wasn't playing anyway, so this doesn't really matter imo i like that you're focusing on the big names instead of lynchbait tho ^^ might bump you into my do not lynch pile with oneg now i really should sleep :/ why's onegu in a do not lynch pile? The guy's done nothing in the game this far. Until he actually makes some effort I don't see why he shouldn't be lynched as an inactive for instance. What makes you think he's worth keeping so far? gut feels i won't discuss at this time
If she's all but claiming mason with coag, what's this mean with onegu. I cannot understand the "no lynch" on onegu like minutes after he enters the thread for the first time (and says nothing of consequence)
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On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
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Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?
I think it'd be too absurd of a scum game to be playing. I think that this is N E S S's first game here and he's trying to figure things out. The way he's reacted to things makes me think he's trying to prove himself, while being a little frustrated with the playerbase here (that is largely familiar with each other and not with him.).
I don't get a scum vibe here. If he is scum, his team is really not giving him a lot of direction/help and leaving him out to dry, and I do not think that is whats happening here.
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On December 27 2015 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:
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It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site. He is not newbie though. He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless. So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"?
What size forum did he come from? TL can be a very different beast from other mafia forums, and again it's really hard for me to imagine him playing such a wild scum game with his first game here.
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Damdred how the fuck do you have 11k posts. Did you post in TL before mafia?
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On December 27 2015 23:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Have a random read list cause they're fun.
100% Town forever
Artanis[Xp]
N e s s
Town
Damdred
Trfel
Rsoultin
Alakaslam
Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit
Raynpelikoneet
Onegu
Weak Town
HF
Ritoky
ExO_
Koshi
TickTock
Null
Anyone not in other categories
Weak Mafia
Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad.
GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.
Leaning Mafia
Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax. Any read of your own, Artanis? I don't remember you going after Vivax for yourself, and I also remember you being directed by someone to check boxerfred's filter
BF's filter is a joke
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On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote:
hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.
Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.
Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush
who exactly is suspicious to BF/Kush b/c I don't see them in this thread posting those suspicions
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On December 28 2015 00:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:58 ExO_ wrote:On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote:
hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.
Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.
Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush who exactly is suspicious to BF/Kush b/c I don't see them in this thread posting those suspicions I'm suspicious of BF. Problem is there's just one post to go off so eh.
Im not against lynching BF b.c he's inactive as fuck not posting anything. But SL just said that "Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush" meaning that according to bf/kush there are people that are suspicious. Except I don't see BF and kush saying anything like that
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On December 28 2015 00:05 sicklucker wrote:
im saying its day 1 we should prioritize lynching people with historys of not giving a shit and being unreadble. obviously lynching mafia is nice but lets be real base on one day of play the day one lynch is going to flip mafia like less then 40% of the time. I want the 60%+ of the time we miss to take out the trash. I think you misunderstood me exo. Like we can still get a >rand lynch and be garbage men at the same time
okay I can largely agree with this sentiment. I would much rather vote off the inactives first, as I seem to recall in one of the games I've played here we just non-stop lynched super active townies and then afk scum won.
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On December 28 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 00:08 sicklucker wrote:On December 28 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker do you have any real reason to not lynch Vivax? Ill know his alignment 99% of the time by day 3. Here if we lynch him its a stupid gamble. Like hes just such a godamn easy read and people keep lynching him and its pissing me off. Literraly my last game I said lets not lynch fucking vivax day one and then town went and did it. DONT FUCKING DO IT AGAIN ITS VERY BAD SOOOO BAD I think i can read Vivax aswell. Why is he town then?
you really think Vivax is a better lynch candidate than somebody like BF at this point?
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On December 28 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 00:11 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 28 2015 00:08 sicklucker wrote:On December 28 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker do you have any real reason to not lynch Vivax? Ill know his alignment 99% of the time by day 3. Here if we lynch him its a stupid gamble. Like hes just such a godamn easy read and people keep lynching him and its pissing me off. Literraly my last game I said lets not lynch fucking vivax day one and then town went and did it. DONT FUCKING DO IT AGAIN ITS VERY BAD SOOOO BAD I think i can read Vivax aswell. Why is he town then? you really think Vivax is a better lynch candidate than somebody like BF at this point? From the people who have posted, yes.
I have to disagree. I get that I might not be able to make the same metareads as others here, but is Vivax really THAT scummy to this point? Everything that makes Vivax scummy (low post count, not contributing a lot) BF is worse at.
At least Vivax is somewhat active in the thread. People posting = more information. People like BF not posting do not add any information at all.
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Obi you've pranced right on into the thread shortly after I mentioned you in the same category as onegu being largely inactive. Do you have any thoughts that aren't bounced directly off of somebody else to this point?
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