OUTLAW MINI MAFIA - Page 15

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 06 2016 23:00 GMT

#4267

On January 07 2016 07:58 ExO_ wrote:
Onegu claims red check on (and therefore claims cop) on tictock right? Thats what started the entire chain of events?

yes

On December 30 2015 08:21 Onegu wrote:
Red Check on TT

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 00:00 GMT

#4278

On January 07 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:

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On January 07 2016 08:43 ExO_ wrote:

On January 07 2016 08:39 The Shining wrote:

On January 07 2016 08:31 ExO_ wrote:

On January 07 2016 08:21 The Shining wrote:

On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote:

On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:

On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:

On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads

lolololololololololololololololol

I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time.
At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town.

In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you?

I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him"

And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that

And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it?

Can you follow context before you ask a stupid fucking question like this? I don't need questions thrown at me and I never said I did. What I'm saying is, kush claiming he hasn't interacted with me or asked me anything because we're not on at the same time when he has a scum read is bad because it means he just decided to scum me, whereas ritoky actually asked me something. I don't see the town motivation behind "I think he's scum but we're never here together so I'm not going to figure out anything about him or try to get information from him."

Jesus Christ, fuck you dude. I'll ask whatever question I want when I want. If it's too fucking stupid for you then don't answer it

Man, you get really angsty when you roll scum, holy shit. First HF, now me.

Thanks for this. Way to deflect the fact that once again you've completely misunderstood what I've said to go into anger/defensive mode. There is no explanation for multiple outbursts like that if you're town.

Maybe if you didn't misunderstand or misrepresent every fucking thing I say and immediately get defensive and whiny over it, you'd have had a shot at not giving yourself away, scum.

After the game is over, (and if you aren't scum) I want you to apologize. I'm not scum at all and every time I've tried to talk to you, you try to tilt me. After being basically absent all game as well.

I'm not scum but don't hold your breath for an apology, regardless of your alignment.

You've misconstrued and/or misunderstood everything I ever say to you. I say you asked a stupid question because you obviously either didn't understand what I was saying or chose to misrepresent it to fit your narrative of me being scum. I didn't call you stupid. But you did directly decide to curse at me and continually claim I'm trying to tilt you, when the first time was a simple question YOU misunderstood and this time was YOU misunderstanding again. How is that MY fault?

if someone is continually misunderstanding you, it is not always entirely their fault there may be some fault in your communication as well. try rephrasing or saying it differently without insults or personal accusations because when you start using those people start reading emotionally or they continue reading but stop comprehending cuz emotions op. if they are still not getting it then it's on their end or intentional.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 00:05 GMT

#4279

On January 07 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote:
Meh onegu just seems super town to me.

outside of mechanics i kinda agree with this. doesn't onegu tend to actually enjoy being mafia more than town? idk his filter isn't really filled with enjoyment tbh, it kinda trends more toward the pissy/not caring side which is the townier side of when he is inactive if i remember right.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Onegu

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=Onegu&page=5

i just see a lot more joy in these games than onegu has in the current one (he is scum in both of these)

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 20:20 GMT

#4339

On January 08 2016 02:13 NocturneMage wrote:

Final Jeopardy: Starring Ritoky

So the category is Night Kills and before I ask the question, I want to present to ritoky a few "exhibits" of information that I found in his filter and in the thread.

Exhibit 1: Night 2 Reads - Ritoky (post 3245)
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On January 02 2016 11:41 ritoky wrote:
what you think of this?

town 100%:
ritoky
coag

town 99%:
exo_

town 96%:
koshi

town 95%:
holyflare

vivax:
vivax

slightly town pile:
obi
OO
moosy
shining

no clue and probably not gonna get one:
kush

mafia list in no order:
1 of: gb or ness/NM
palmar
slam
1 of: onegu or damdred
1 of: sl or trfel

if i am wrong in here (particularly on 1 between onegu/damdred is where i could easily be wrong) then it's probably moosy or kush?

Exhibit 2: Day post Day 3
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?page=169#3361

Exhibit 3: Explanation for Nightkill (conversation on page 169, quotes spoilered below)

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On January 03 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:
Like break it down for me you have already said you can't have me in lylo because you will lymch me. But you shoot moosey when a few are telling you he could be town men.

So why moosey over me and why not hold the shot to give us an extra lymch you were worried about.

On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote:
because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.

On January 03 2016 08:13 Damdred wrote:
But of you think I'm town why not listen to my read because you should know I'm good at reading moosey.

God that read about him not missing the vote as scum blah

On January 03 2016 08:15 ritoky wrote:
because i was realllllly sure hf was town and i had a lot of faith that he isn't this wrong as town so i trusted his reads the most

Exhibit 4: MoosyDoosy Night 2
I have read in between the time ritoky made his list post and the day post for anything Moosy may have posted to examine a town motivation for shooting Moosy or something that might have changed his mind. The only thing I found was this (spoilered.)

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On January 02 2016 18:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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loool thnx and ur scum <333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

On January 02 2016 18:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Koshi is town

^^ these are notes for myself when I read through my filter btw

On January 02 2016 19:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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honestly it's just about 99.99% sure that i'm town but ok.

Exhibit 5: Night 2 Reads - Holyflare (spoilered)

This is how Holyflare was trying to direct the kill.

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On January 02 2016 08:09 Holyflare wrote:

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No you shoot damdred and lynch onegu.

On January 02 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote:

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They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please.

On January 02 2016 11:21 Holyflare wrote:
Slam/GB/Moosy are all good shot targets

On January 02 2016 11:47 Holyflare wrote:

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Forgot slam he's mafia.

So here are my questions.

(1) You had a slight town read on Moosy and I posted I think most if not all the content on him between the time of your list post and the day post. What changed regarding Moosy to the point you shot him?

(2) When Damdred asked you why you shot Moosy, you resorted to your reads between yourself (Exhibit 1) and Holyflare (Exhibit 5). Except that you townread MoosyDoosy, even if slightly. Why would you shoot a townread?

(3) When Damdred asked you why you shot Moosy, you said you trusted Holyflare's reads (Exhibits 3 and 5). I tried to cover all pushes and direction by Holyflare from the time Tictock died to the day post. He mentioned Moosy ONCE. He pushed Alakaslam comparatively disporportionately (Exhibit 5). So how did you work out that Holyflare wanted Moosy over Slam dead? This is what you said.

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And as stated in #2, you townread Moosy.

(4) MoosyDoosy's content (Exhibit 4) was either reads or trolling, which is reflective of his general play as town after Day 1, it is known he is not a fan of playing day 1. Do you disagree with this.

I look forward to your answers.

You are free to wager any amount of money you please. Any currency is accepted.

For your sheer amusement you can go ahead and play the Jeopardy music:

the gimmick here kinda annoys me tbh. it just makes it more difficult to actually read what you're trying to say, but it makes it very clear to me you have not read what i have been typing for multiple days; so let's try and explain this to you.

everything i typed during the night phase i had the gun was wifom. everything. your entire case is from that night phase. ritoky, why was it wifom, that makes no sense?

On January 03 2016 11:08 ritoky wrote:
point a:
the plan is to spend a lot of the night trying to sound like i am shooting damdred or onegu so that if either is mafia i am likely roleblocked which confirms to me there is at least 1 between them. if i am not roleblocked it reveals mafia didn't care and both are likely town. it yielded tons of information giving me basically 2 confirmed towns so i think the play was overall fine, especially since the 2 confirmed towns are ML candidates for doing some dumb fake claim stuff.

point b:
damdred: "you never listen to me even though you can read me well"
ritoky: "yup"

point c:
i snap claimed as vigi (within the first day/night cycle) too. i claim with a gun, i think it is superior in 90% of cases.

point d:
yes i am frustrated that the jk is not protecting obvious town. aren't you? oh wait, you didn't find those people obvious town. my bad, how's the holyflare push going?

anyways i should have shot slam, and that's on me.

it's not like i clearly stated multiple times that i was wifoming all night to try and place mafia under the illusion i was shooting between gu and damdred. you're entitled to your opinion though. it's just wrong.

why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before.

this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 20:28 GMT

#4341

On January 08 2016 03:00 NocturneMage wrote:

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But here's the catch - why did he allude to both HIS reads and Holyflare's reads as the basis

AND

Why did he say I put all my trust in Holyflare's reads (paraphrasing).

Instead -

Why didn't he just come out and say "I wanted to say fuck it and shoot an unreadable"

Do you see what I am getting at?

Do you see why I'm contrasting this to what I saw in Gaiden?

i almost always shoot unreadables or afks. go look at me as vigi or any game i am given a gun, i shoot inactives as i believe it is of the most benefit to town in all cases.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 21:17 GMT

#4356

On January 08 2016 05:52 NocturneMage wrote:

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That's selective reasoning at best.

(1) First my case was not just the night, it was also based on your response to Damdred at the daypost. Your response to him at daybreak was to shift responsibility to Holyflare by saying you trusted his reads after considering your own. Since you don't like my formatting in the actual case, let's bring the operative quotes to the front.

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Damdred wanted you to listen to him but it's not you disregarding him that makes you mafia. That part doesn't even address my question.

What makes you mafia is that you disregarded your own reads and stated you trusted Holyflare AFTER saying between myself and HF I arrived at Moosy and Slam. THIS WAS DONE AFTER THE DAYPOST so using WIFOM to defend yourself/discussing Onegu and Damdred is actually irrelevant.

Relevant quote.

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(2) People can wifom the shot as either alignment. I covered that in the previous point so moving on, sorry, that does not make you any more town.

(3) You are stating that you chose from a list of 3 Holyflare put out.

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Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

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Holyflare DID NOT JUST make a list of 3 and this is where you are distorting the facts. He STATED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NIGHT what his preferences were.

Clearly you chose to make the shortlist your focus, and that's called selective reasoning. If you trusted his reads so much why weren't you paying attention to all the information he provided?

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Finally OMGUS comes from both alignments and characterising it as exclusively mafia actually makes you mafia.

you read it, but you didn't comprehend it i think you interpreted it as "i wifomed the shot" not "i wifomed all my posts to make it appear i was shooting where i wasn't". you should read it again or maybe you're just constructing a narrative because you're in a shit spot, i don't really know. so let's try and rephrase this for you but you're gonna find largely the same answer.

that read post you're on about? that's not my reads that night.it's a fabircation that's wifom outside of the top block made purely to indicate at the bottom that i think there's a mafia between gu and damdred to imply i am shooting there. again a lot of this is already in my filter, you just selectively dodged around it, none of this is new information.

in regards to hf and my reads, hf gave a list of 3 that i took to heart. you can say he exclaimed a preference all you want, hf told me to shoot quite a few people since i announced i had a gun (i can cherrypick other posts of him telling me to shoot other people as well including your slot). i took that list and narrowed it to 2, because gb was posting shit and i figured i can actually get a read on that. between slam and moosy there's not really any separation tbh. slam had done 1 of 3 town tells i have on him but usually does all 3 as town, i told moosy i was going to shoot him and he had a shit reaction. i chose the guy with the shit reaction and was wrong.

the omgus calling me mafia probably just makes you mafia because i have a lot of town reads and you're not one of them. you're also cherrypicking pretty heavily to form a narrative that has already been talked about and contort it into a way that makes me look bad.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 21:23 GMT

#4358

it also feels opportunistic that you start writing walls ONLY on the guy with a broken wrist who can't effectively write walls back, but that might just be me martyring.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 21:27 GMT

#4360

obi, what about oo should i focus on?

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 21:33 GMT

#4363

well you're in the tunnel on me again (happened before); annoying. i have said what i did, if you don't like it you're wrong.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 21:39 GMT

#4365

i think when you tunneled me last time and i was town that you were town as well, so i can see this coming from town.

i am actually sketched out by damdred the most from this and may actually start rethinking my procedurally confirmed read on him and 1gu as a result. he is kinda leaving his options open on me when i think he should know i am always town. which could be him posturing to side with me or ML me depending on thread sentiment....like he should be REALLY certain i am town at this point.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 21:40 GMT

#4366

"i can see this coming from town" -> i still think you're a lot less likely than others but you're not dunk scum.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 21:50 GMT

#4374

On January 08 2016 06:46 The Shining wrote:

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If you're sketched about damdred, what does that do to your TR of me? Since the basis of it is because Damdred said so. Would that mean he has tmi? Or scum buddies? Or are you just being paranoid?

dunno yet, still thinking about it tbh....like if i am just wrong on my read and mafia would take a risk like that, and who would do that.....because i really believe damdred should be at a point on day 3 where he understands i can't be mafia ever, and he should know why.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 21:51 GMT

#4377

click preview before you post, it helps

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 21:56 GMT

#4378

o wow, i never voted. i thought i did that like 2 days ago?

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 22:13 GMT

#4389

damdred, assume i am mafia and you're not, why are you alive?

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 22:14 GMT

#4390

On January 08 2016 07:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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The fact that he's mafia.

you sold me!

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 22:20 GMT

#4395

yeah actually that's just wrong. damdred subbing into that game and almost immediately scum reading me (BTW WORST MOD DECISION EVER) was basically what turned that game so idk what you're on about.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 07 2016 22:23 GMT

#4397

On January 08 2016 07:21 The Shining wrote:

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That's a silly question. You didn't shoot Damdred in full metal, either.

you're right, i didn't shoot a claimed veteran when i had no roleblocker alive. in all other mafia games i have shot damdred before night 2 and announced it to him as well. i know because we have discussed swagging on eachother before.

but actually that's not even why damdred should know i am town.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 08 2016 00:22 GMT

#4458

thought about it, and i think NM is very likely mafia, will tell you about it later.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 08 2016 00:27 GMT

#4460

the basic case for the impatient is is: 1) nm knows slam is about to flip mafia; 2) nm plans to go 1 for 1 to get to lylo; 3) nm knows if slam flips mafia then i look like a jackass cuz i shot the only town in a list of 3 provided by hf; 4) nm pre-emptively starts to tunnel me with that factor as the centerpiece of his case; 5) NM re-inforces it post flip

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