OUTLAW MINI MAFIA - Page 15

On January 07 2016 07:58 ExO_ wrote:
Onegu claims red check on (and therefore claims cop) on tictock right? Thats what started the entire chain of events?

On December 30 2015 08:21 Onegu wrote:
Red Check on TT

On January 07 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:


I'm not scum but don't hold your breath for an apology, regardless of your alignment.

You've misconstrued and/or misunderstood everything I ever say to you. I say you asked a stupid question because you obviously either didn't understand what I was saying or chose to misrepresent it to fit your narrative of me being scum. I didn't call you stupid. But you did directly decide to curse at me and continually claim I'm trying to tilt you, when the first time was a simple question YOU misunderstood and this time was YOU misunderstanding again. How is that MY fault?

On January 07 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote:
Meh onegu just seems super town to me.

On January 08 2016 02:13 NocturneMage wrote:


So the category is Night Kills and before I ask the question, I want to present to ritoky a few "exhibits" of information that I found in his filter and in the thread.

Exhibit 1: Night 2 Reads - Ritoky (post 3245)
+ Show Spoiler [Post 3245] +

Exhibit 2: Day post Day 3
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?page=169#3361

Exhibit 3: Explanation for Nightkill (conversation on page 169, quotes spoilered below)

+ Show Spoiler [Day 3 Conversation] +

Exhibit 4: MoosyDoosy Night 2
I have read in between the time ritoky made his list post and the day post for anything Moosy may have posted to examine a town motivation for shooting Moosy or something that might have changed his mind. The only thing I found was this (spoilered.)

+ Show Spoiler [Posts 3289, 3290] +

Exhibit 5: Night 2 Reads - Holyflare (spoilered)

This is how Holyflare was trying to direct the kill.

+ Show Spoiler +

So here are my questions.

(1) You had a slight town read on Moosy and I posted I think most if not all the content on him between the time of your list post and the day post. What changed regarding Moosy to the point you shot him?

(2) When Damdred asked you why you shot Moosy, you resorted to your reads between yourself (Exhibit 1) and Holyflare (Exhibit 5). Except that you townread MoosyDoosy, even if slightly. Why would you shoot a townread?

(3) When Damdred asked you why you shot Moosy, you said you trusted Holyflare's reads (Exhibits 3 and 5). I tried to cover all pushes and direction by Holyflare from the time Tictock died to the day post. He mentioned Moosy ONCE. He pushed Alakaslam comparatively disporportionately (Exhibit 5). So how did you work out that Holyflare wanted Moosy over Slam dead? This is what you said.



And as stated in #2, you townread Moosy.

(4) MoosyDoosy's content (Exhibit 4) was either reads or trolling, which is reflective of his general play as town after Day 1, it is known he is not a fan of playing day 1. Do you disagree with this.

I look forward to your answers.

You are free to wager any amount of money you please. Any currency is accepted.

For your sheer amusement you can go ahead and play the Jeopardy music:

On January 03 2016 11:08 ritoky wrote:
point a:
the plan is to spend a lot of the night trying to sound like i am shooting damdred or onegu so that if either is mafia i am likely roleblocked which confirms to me there is at least 1 between them. if i am not roleblocked it reveals mafia didn't care and both are likely town. it yielded tons of information giving me basically 2 confirmed towns so i think the play was overall fine, especially since the 2 confirmed towns are ML candidates for doing some dumb fake claim stuff.

point b:
damdred: "you never listen to me even though you can read me well"
ritoky: "yup"

point c:
i snap claimed as vigi (within the first day/night cycle) too. i claim with a gun, i think it is superior in 90% of cases.

point d:
yes i am frustrated that the jk is not protecting obvious town. aren't you? oh wait, you didn't find those people obvious town. my bad, how's the holyflare push going?

anyways i should have shot slam, and that's on me.

On January 08 2016 03:00 NocturneMage wrote:


But here's the catch - why did he allude to both HIS reads and Holyflare's reads as the basis

AND

Why did he say I put all my trust in Holyflare's reads (paraphrasing).

Instead -

Why didn't he just come out and say "I wanted to say fuck it and shoot an unreadable"

Do you see what I am getting at?

Do you see why I'm contrasting this to what I saw in Gaiden?

On January 08 2016 05:52 NocturneMage wrote:


That's selective reasoning at best.

(1) First my case was not just the night, it was also based on your response to Damdred at the daypost. Your response to him at daybreak was to shift responsibility to Holyflare by saying you trusted his reads after considering your own. Since you don't like my formatting in the actual case, let's bring the operative quotes to the front.



Damdred wanted you to listen to him but it's not you disregarding him that makes you mafia. That part doesn't even address my question.

What makes you mafia is that you disregarded your own reads and stated you trusted Holyflare AFTER saying between myself and HF I arrived at Moosy and Slam. THIS WAS DONE AFTER THE DAYPOST so using WIFOM to defend yourself/discussing Onegu and Damdred is actually irrelevant.

Relevant quote.



(2) People can wifom the shot as either alignment. I covered that in the previous point so moving on, sorry, that does not make you any more town.

(3) You are stating that you chose from a list of 3 Holyflare put out.



Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.






Holyflare DID NOT JUST make a list of 3 and this is where you are distorting the facts. He STATED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NIGHT what his preferences were.

Clearly you chose to make the shortlist your focus, and that's called selective reasoning. If you trusted his reads so much why weren't you paying attention to all the information he provided?



Finally OMGUS comes from both alignments and characterising it as exclusively mafia actually makes you mafia.

On January 08 2016 06:46 The Shining wrote:


If you're sketched about damdred, what does that do to your TR of me? Since the basis of it is because Damdred said so. Would that mean he has tmi? Or scum buddies? Or are you just being paranoid?

On January 08 2016 07:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


The fact that he's mafia.

On January 08 2016 07:21 The Shining wrote:


That's a silly question. You didn't shoot Damdred in full metal, either.