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On December 25 2015 01:02 Shapelog wrote: idk if i should Replace. Suggestions? hell no don't replace. people might bitch at you for inactivity but f them. | ||
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first post. that means im 100% town right? | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:  I wanted to be blue so muchit's so anti-town to claim vt | ||
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On December 29 2015 10:47 scott31337 wrote: I could possibly jump on this - but it's a big bag of joke/null for now... This Kmatt guy kind of does what I do - quote into notepad, post thoughts - I like this so far as well. I'll work on page 11 after the American Football game (or maybe halftime) This is a terrible townread I'm about to make but so be it. I don't think scum would say that they could "possibly jump" on something. That low degree of suspicion looks natural. | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:46 Shapelog wrote: Even though i maybe know why. Explain por favor? plynch = policy lynch I think it's the optimal lynch. I don't have a scumread on onegu. But the probability of lynching scum d1 is low. Onegu is probably going to be an unreadable entity all game long, so it's best to get him out of the way now. | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:57 Kmatt wrote: Does that mean, barring any exceptional circumstances, he's a lynch vote for you by meta-knowledge alone? My vote isn't set in stone. It is based on meta and his activity so far this game. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:05 Shapelog wrote: I fine for voting onegu, but i prob. not going to keep my vote on him based off a policy lynch. I mean if it is 30 mins till deadline and he hasn't done shit thats one case. but basing it on the fact of unreadablity kinda ruins the game IMO. Why get rid of the hard to read players? If anything this is a newbie game and we should keep him around because of it. I have no reason like u to Scum read or town read him. But i am going to wait till later to vote for him (at least for now). Idk i need more then plynch to justify. screw the newbies. i want to win. | ||
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On December 30 2015 06:13 Shapelog wrote: Blah im not good at D1. neither am i. That's why I want to lynch onegu. | ||
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On December 30 2015 06:18 Shapelog wrote: Kush got any reads or anything to add to the game? not particularly. I could do a closer reading of those stuffy posts from earlier, but i kind of have work to do. | ||
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On December 30 2015 06:25 Shapelog wrote: Nothing? Not even a slight town/scum lean on anyone other then the plynch on Onegu based off of a quick read? See the scott townread from my filter. | ||
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On December 30 2015 06:38 mderg wrote: Really not impressed by kush/nooniansoong so far. Doesn't feel like he is trying to solve the game. d2 is when i try to solve the game | ||
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On December 30 2015 06:59 mderg wrote: If you want people to listen to you for D1 lynch, you should probably show a different attitude. What does the legitmacy of my d1 lynch have to do with my attitude? | ||
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white knighting=coming to someone's defense unecessarily | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:39 Shapelog wrote: U think his comment about me asking about respond times is white knighting? minor white knight, because your comment had the unwritten implication that nm is scummy because he takes a long time to respond. | ||
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also cow get in here and say something like you promised! | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:07 Shapelog wrote: But why does it matter Kush if GB comes in with something you missed? hell why are u covering for him? because if he comes up with an interesting new idea that will help me to townread him. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:13 Shapelog wrote: And his case won't lol? So u want him come up with a new reason why kmatt is scum? Kush you are making 0 sense to me. Can you explain why u think the new idea with give GB a town read? if gb comes up with a new idea that would help me townread GB, not kmatt. it woudl help me scumread kmat.. | ||
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I wasn't planning on lynching you if you were reasonably active like you are now. (Unless I had a scumread on you.) I am kind of a similar player to you. The difference that makes you a better policy lynch than me is that as the game continues, I look more and more town usually. That's because I hate being scum. Your scumgame is great. In my experience, you continue to be unreadable, especially in your lower activity games, as the days pass. | ||
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I'm sorry. So so sorry. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote: Onegu, do you think shapelog is town? not that you asked me but.. shape doesn't seem very townie but I think I want to reasses his alignment d2. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:24 GlowingBear wrote: This is what I don't like on Kmatt. He says I'm fishy but keeps backtracking on it. It just feels like he is trying to give an opinion while not really relying on it. Am I fishy or not? What does fishy means? Mafia? If so, why not just saying I'm scummy and going against it? + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2015 09:13 Kmatt wrote: Well just by probability there's a better chance of town than mafia. No real information to work off of yet. He seems to be working more on making a positive image of himself compared to everyone else. Made a lot of early posts like. He just seems to be trying to be overly friendly and helpful compared to everyone else who seems to be content to wait for more information. Then again this is Newbie Student Mafia so<script id="gpt-impl-0.05592410106054696" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script> being more friendly and helpful is to be expected (I think). No one else's first posts had much substance aside from how you were reading into it, but GB seems to be trying at getting his name out there in a positive light. I don't think that's nearly enough to convict someone, just trying to practice reading into posts. Not everyone pretends to have 100% locked in scumreads 1 day into the game. Maybe he doens't know if you are mafia and his wishy washy opinions reflect that. | ||
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I am thinking back to nutcracker. He was much easier to read d2 than d1. Just because he starting writing so much and putting on the tinfoil etc. Something else: i didnt read his d1, but people wanted to lynch him for it. So he must have looked scummy somehow. Me not reading his d1 also leaves a vaccuum where my metaknowledge of his d1 play should be. All of this leads me to not want to lynch him d1 even though I think his opinions and reasonings are scummy. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:30 GlowingBear wrote: It's not about a matter of pretending. If you see something suspicious, you usually pursue it. Calling something fishy but saying it could come from both alignments isn't what I expect from a townie. Define persue. It could mean pressuring someone like "YOU ARE 100% SCUM" and seeing how they respond. It could also mean saying "hmm they might be scum" and sitting back to watch them. Two different townie playstyles. | ||
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Sometimes town are wishy washy because they don't know what something means. wishy washy - could be town honesty about not knowing what something means or it could be scum keeping their options open. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:49 GlowingBear wrote: Kush, if you see something as scummy, you say the guy is probably town because there is a 8/11 chance of the guy being town? If we think like that we won't lynch anyone. Then after some point he says that my post stood out but it doesn't mean I'm from any alignment? Kush, again, if something stands out, it stands out for either alignment. Standing out = alignment indicative posts. Doesn't stand out = NAI. I think you are misrepresenting him. He thought it might be scummy. Then he said "ehhh prob not.' In so many words. That is a believable transition to me. Standing out doesn't mean alignment indicative. It could mean something is weird. As in you dont see it very often. | ||
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On December 31 2015 01:13 Onegu wrote: Kush is odd. Like he doesnt qualify for the onegu rule because he didnt call me scum. Onegu rule is I troll and post little day one and if you call me scum for it you are scum looking for a mislynch. But since kush says it is complete policy he is fine. What I do find kinda odd is kush is a very similar player to me. And last game when he was scum and people wanted to lynch him day one I was the one who said give him time. Yet this game he wants to lynch me? Why didnt he want to lynch me in the last game we just played. Doesnt make much since to me that he wants to do it this game but not last game. it would have been so easy for him to scumread me there are he didnt. | ||
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On December 31 2015 03:12 Onegu wrote: I found a scumslip why arent you voting the scumslip? Shape. I really dont want to read his posts... Guess I will I think it was pretty obvious he meant if you are town you are an easy mislynch, which can fuck over town lategame. Not that you are necessarily a mislynch this game. | ||
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irish really lynched scum 60% on d1? I don't believe it. | ||
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Several posts that are long and have nothign to do with scumhunting. Talking about past games, talking about the virtues of policy lynches, etc. In his big reads post, his scumreads are summaries of me and gigas' play put into a scummy light. He latches on to some of my trolly posts and doesn't stop to think "why would scum make such overtly scummy posts"? On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote:Scum Gigya - He has a filter almost totally devoid of reads. His one TR is Irish (#214) but at the same time in his post at #192 he actually says that as Irish is experienced, the post could have been faked. ???. He also suspects GB for his "matter of fact town read", even though he agrees with it? The only thing keeping this from moving into policy is that he has a couple of posts where he talks about non-game stuff (#225, #228). If you have time to do that, you have time to play as well. This is how newbie mafia play, imo. Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content. ##Vote -- Gigya | ||
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WE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE. Save this poor poor probably townie. Vote fidei. For these reasons: On December 31 2015 03:25 nooniansoong wrote: lemme summarize reasoning for voting fidei real quick. Several posts that are long and have nothign to do with scumhunting. Talking about past games, talking about the virtues of policy lynches, etc. In his big reads post, his scumreads are summaries of me and gigas' play put into a scummy light. He latches on to some of my trolly posts and doesn't stop to think "why would scum make such overtly scummy posts"? and according to onegu he scumslipped so there's that i guess... | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:04 Onegu wrote: much more likely to vote scott as fword and gb arent on him dude onegu stay strong on our wagon. wouldn't you rather lynch fidei? | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:44 mderg wrote: WHat does make Fidei seem towny, please elaborate. ya know.. the way he writes big paragraphs and stuff | ||
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On December 31 2015 06:50 Fidei86 wrote: @Scott Onegu's read is based upon a phrase I have to say every time I play with him. Every time, I have to make the same speech about how he is useless and doesn't play at all until late game, and that makes him an easy mislynch if he's town, and if he's mafia puts town into an almost impossible position. That's his entire read. Sheeping it makes me super suspicious of you. my read is not based upon a phrase. WHy do people keep talking about onegu's scumslip case when I have an actual case! | ||
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On December 31 2015 03:25 nooniansoong wrote: lemme summarize reasoning for voting fidei real quick. Several posts that are long and have nothign to do with scumhunting. Talking about past games, talking about the virtues of policy lynches, etc. In his big reads post, his scumreads are summaries of me and gigas' play put into a scummy light. He latches on to some of my trolly posts and doesn't stop to think "why would scum make such overtly scummy posts"? | ||
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it's concise! | ||
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On December 31 2015 10:40 Irishbound wrote: Oh fuck sake, not what I wanted to see on my lunch break. Going to try and use the next 48 hours to reread and reasses. what does that do to your 60% statistic? | ||
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On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: Onegu (Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler][/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight) Meta is only one part of his case. Onegu, I don't think you can be suspicious of him for not knowing you as well as you know yourself. As for the rest of the case, I agree with GB. Shape's scumslip seems scummier than fidei's. Onegu, did you not read that, did you miss it, or do you disagree? | ||
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GB was mislynched d1 in Nutcracker. Shape was joke threatening him with "another mislynch." Why does he assume it will be a mislynch this time? | ||
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he said he doesn't read shape. Do you think he's lying? I can understand him not reading shape. ONEGU is shape mafia too due to the scumslip? | ||
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On December 31 2015 23:58 GlowingBear wrote: Kush ROFL if someone says "HE SCUM SLIPPED TOOL they are calling the guy Mafia. LMAO are you high right now? I haven't smoked weed for several months now. My job drug tests so I had to quit. Weed is magical but it is also very addictive for me. In some ways I'm glad I stopped, but I still miss it. Now I just drink a lot instead. Shape is known to spam, so he could have chosen to ignore shape before reading his first posts. Although I think a more townie approach would be to read shape until a townread could be formed, and only then start ignoring him. I am interested in how Onegu clarifies his feelings towards Shape, given the scumslip. | ||
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On January 01 2016 00:46 Onegu wrote: Havent forgot him. He is prolly scum but the way fword dude has his list and then puts it in makes it much more of a scum slip. Did I ever tell you about the time I caught rayn in a scum slip. Onegu why does having a scumslip in a list make it more of a scumslip? Fidei was talking about a situation in which you were hypothetically town. Not necessarily this game but just playing with you in general. Shape was talking about this game. | ||
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scum is in irish gigyas mderg onegu. I've given varying degrees of townreads to everyone else. Irish seems like a dude who would make a very townie looking scum. I find the reasoning behind his scumreads/townreads to be unbelievable. I know a statement like that is worthless without backing it up with specifics but that's not happening right now. If he dies, which he very well might if he's town, then that would be work wasted if I post reasons now. gigyas. all honesty i can't read this guy for shit. He seems scummy to be even when he's town. Dunno but his play seems like it has no creative thought behind it or anything to indicate towniness. No offense gigas I didn't mean that as an insult. mderg. Always taking the side of you'd think the townie would take: Hard against policy lynches for example. Seems like an upright citizen townie, but his towniness is very surface level. onegu- really wasn't satisfied with his respond to GB's recent questioning of him. Nothing townie in his filter. Looks like he found something he could call a scumslip then relied on that for a reasoning behind his vote. With no thought to "is it really a scumslip?" "did shape scumslip as well?" etc. These reads are all pretty shit. I'll verify them and stress them out during d2. | ||
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On January 01 2016 14:59 NocturneMage wrote: Looking at this case - the Onegu bashing/policy lynches is something Fidei has done as both alignments and in pre and post-games. So to me that is NAI. Regarding the reads on GigyaS, "a filter that is almost entirely devoid of reads".....for someone that has been relatively inactive that could go either way. The bolded that I have for GigyaS read looks reasonable enough to scum for unless you are arguing that he's taking those posts out of context in which case I will go back and mark those pages to read around the filters. The Noon read is actually slightly more concerning to me because the "possibly jump" part I think you even disclaimed that it was a shitty read/criteria (paraphrasing) and it would seem to me that mafia would try and hide that. "Woe is me/Day 1".....I remember you getting off a great scumread in Dark Tournament on the player both DoYouHas and myself eventually got lynched (Half the Sky) and considering Fidei was also in that game - I replaced in, so I know -, do you think it's completely unreasonable for him to scumread you when you were clearly more productive in that game, contrasting to here where you go for the straight policy lynch? Sheeping GB onto KMatt? Wait.....didn't you argue against that? Or at least accuse GB of misinterpreting? You realize I was mislynched d1 in dark tournament.. so I couldn't have been that productive lol. I didn't sheep GB onto Kmatt. Actually I townread him eventually. Right then I did I quick read of his filter and understood how someone could think it would be scummy. I was interested in if GB had any not obvious idea of why Kmatt was scummy. That would give me a townread on GB. If someone has a scumread based on reasoning I find interesting or didn't think of, I townread them for that usually. GB's scumread was actually not really different from the reasonings I was expecting. Although I later townread GB for other reasons. Specifically his scumslip point against Onegu (and other stuff maybe? dont remember). I hope you can read this post lol. Gnight now. | ||
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On December 31 2015 04:18 GiygaS wrote: Just want to say I'm still reading. There's a lot. As of post 443 I'd lynch scott (for basically everyone else's posts on him plus his weird last post, he still hasn't shown up even though he had very good irl reasons to be available), kmatt (his lynch target on me seems like parrotting other players, among other things), and gb in that order How was kmatt parroting? He voted for gb who has no other votes... How is paroting lynch target Scummy? It's called consolidation. In this post you say you would lynch Scott for everyone else's posts. Isn't that parroting lynch targets? | ||
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On January 02 2016 02:33 GiygaS wrote: Also you directly contradict yourself in this post. You can't call it consolidation if he's the first one to vote for that person. I was saying parroting happens all the time under the guise of consolidation. I wanted to know what you thought was scummy in particular about kmatts parroting. You and fidei make some good points against kmatt. 1 he presented other peoples reads to make his vote seem townier 2 his reads/votes were all over the place 3 voting gb because he's dangerous Without clarifying what that meant I'll look at kmatt again later. And you two have gained townpoints in my eyes. | ||
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On January 02 2016 03:27 mderg wrote: Now that you're probably not drunk anymore can you get into more detail on these reads? well I gotta put some work in before I can clarify, 1 I have a pretty confident townread on Irish at this point lol. 2 Gigyas is leaning town because his thoughts about kmatt make sense to me. 3 Mderg, still have to filter, but just from PoE I'm hoping I find his filter scummy. 4 onegu. nothing there to make me lean townie. Very little actual content. Anyway looks like someone I towned is actually scum sigh. Not sure who yet. | ||
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Yes it's aggressive in tone which I think is town coming from a newer player. He seems to believe what he's saying. Except town does do all those things he said town doesn't do. So I don't think it's a good case. | ||
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On January 02 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote: Clap for wall of text. Fword dude is mafia so is gb. Happy to vote either of them today. ##Vote GB And I'm happy to vote you today. Maybe | ||
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I need to learn to consolidate my posts sry | ||
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I need to learn to consolidate my posts sry | ||
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On January 01 2016 00:46 Onegu wrote: Havent forgot him. He is prolly scum but the way fword dude has his list and then puts it in makes it much more of a scum slip. Did I ever tell you about the time I caught rayn in a scum slip. He was talking about playing with you in general not specifically this game. i don't understand what makes the scumslip more legitimate. On January 01 2016 02:01 Onegu wrote: also shape wasnt talking about me Why does that matter? | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:43 mderg wrote: That's a post that might as well come from a scum QT. So basically they only mention each other but don't actually have any kind of conversation. Considering that they've played quite a few games with each other that's definitely noteworthy and makes me believe that at least one of them is scum. 1 Why would scum post in the thread similar to how they post in the scum qt? 2 Why do you conclude that at least one of us is scum? I would think that both of us would be scum considering it's a read based on both of us avoiding each other. | ||
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On January 03 2016 05:10 nooniansoong wrote: He was talking about playing with you in general not specifically this game. i don't understand what makes the scumslip more legitimate. Why does that matter? | ||
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On January 03 2016 06:56 Onegu wrote: No if talking about in general he says if onegu is town he is always a easy mislynch. Here is just says onegu is a easy mislynch. Because I am a narcissist 1 you are ignoring the context. He is talking about what it's like to play with you in general and why you should be policy lynched. 2 what does you Being a narcissist have to do with who is scum? | ||
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On January 03 2016 07:12 Onegu wrote: 1 no he is talking about this game. If there was context he would write it like there was, but he slipped and fucked up. Because all my day 1 reads and most of my reads up until lylo are based off of how people interact and talk about me. Let's look at the quote. On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote: Policy Onegu - Please all think of a world where we get to LYLO or LYLO-1 and Onegu still hasn't said anything, still hasn't been modkilled and still hasn't been lynched. He does this EVERY GAME HE PLAYS. And it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for town to win if it gets that far, because he is a total coin-flip and the easiest ML in the world. His content is totally absent. the wording "you are the easiest ML in the world" implies that it's a characteristic of your play style rather than a comment on this particular game. I think you are using this scumslip and the fact that "you only make reads based off people talking about you" as an excuse to not have to do anything. And I think you are the easy lynch today, | ||
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On January 03 2016 02:42 mderg wrote: He's meh. Not much actual content coming from him and he isn't trying that much to bring the discussion forwards. For the most part he was just going after the supposed scumslip. His extreme insistence on lynching Fidei for the scumslip makes me think he's town but I wouldn't be surprised, if he was scum. So, probably town but I don't want to be the one to make the decision on him. Why is his tunnel probably town? | ||
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On January 03 2016 19:36 mderg wrote: I simply wouldn't expect scum to tunnel so heavily for IMO stupid reasons. So yeah, I'm not very confident in this read. So he's too Scummy to be scum? | ||
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Don't make nai mega posts this late in the game. Instead be more conversational. You whole team is making these long ass posts and it looks terrible for them. | ||
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On January 04 2016 01:10 NocturneMage wrote: No, not quite. It's possible I could be wrong somewhere, but my mind is right now Shape, Onegu, GB, with the latter two atm double bussing. Both need town cred, so the scum motivation makes sense, and so does the town motivation, but independent of associative reads, I have reasoning to scumread them both. I thought mderg's last posts against GlowingBear were towny as it pointed out a discrepancy in prioritising his vote against what his sentiment was. I know why you are reading mderg as scum fundamentally but what am I missing here? Meta? Should I hit the database then? Mdergs point against gb was so obvious he doesn't get townpoints for that. Put your self in scums place. Would you think to jump on that post from gb? Of course. | ||
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On January 04 2016 02:17 mderg wrote: kush, simple question: what makes you think I'm scum? Why would I tell you? You aren't today's lynch. Telling you why you're scum at this point would be like giving you tips. | ||
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On January 04 2016 03:37 mderg wrote: This makes me think you don't actually have a good reason to scumread me. Let's just say my reason for scumreading you isn't going to be some big thing that makes people say "ah ha" and convinces them. | ||
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On January 04 2016 03:30 Fidei86 wrote: I'm a bit concerned that nobody has really defended Onegu at all, but at this point if he's scum his scummates are probably trying to distance themselves from him. Also, GB is not the lynch today. I don't really like any of the points made against him. ##vote: Onegu There's no reason to defend him. Take my scumteam... Shape is MIA. Mderg said he's probably town. | ||
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On January 04 2016 03:49 NocturneMage wrote: Two questions: (1) What makes mderg's actions exclusively mafia? When I skimmed GB's filter, you can see where GlowingBear expresses sentiment against mderg (confident we are hitting mafia) and an argument against Onegu where Onegu is exclusively mafia ("he cannot possibly believe what he is saying") so how can you eliminate either alignment looking at this and coming to the same conclusion? Am I making sense? (2) The flip side to this question - why do you think GlowingBear is town? My scumhunting method is this: I try to townread a player, and if I can't, I assume they're scum. It makes it hard to be convincing but I think it's the most reliable way to find scum. | ||
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On January 04 2016 03:58 NocturneMage wrote: And your read on mderg is NOT a meta read, correct? If it is, then I will also check his games from the database. It's not a metaread. I did check out two of his scum games from the database. And I found a similar depth to his scumreads on those games. | ||
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On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote: Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I really didn't think scott as scum, for reasons I posted but now forget. And I did think fidei was scum. But his defense made sense to me. Which is why I wrote "ok maybe the case isn't that strong." That being said, I'm might to have to look at fidei again because I'm only scumreading two people right now, mderg and shape. | ||
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On January 04 2016 08:41 Fecalfeast wrote: Noice what'd I do that's scummy? uh im gonna have to revisit this. But a lot of it is PoE. Also I didn't like his d1 vote on me. Especially since he played in nutcracker with me, where I was nearly mislynched d1. There was no hesitation to voting me and no mention of nutcracker. | ||
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On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote: Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote... I'm not saying it makes him town, but GB voting scott because he had more of a TR on fidei than scott seems like it makes sense to me. | ||
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On January 04 2016 09:12 GlowingBear wrote: I have never ever seen scum replacing out. And when he host confirms in thread his girlfriend's message will be sent, it means it's not a plan from Mafia, it means the message was genuine. If it was his plan as Mafia the host wouldn't post interfere So how the hell does this confirm he's town? It confirms it wasn't a mafia plan, not that he isn't mafia. You've never seen mafia replace out... Ok but from his girlfriend posting, it's clear that he cannot get to his computer right now. If he didn't vote he would be modkilled, and thus let down his hypothetical mafiateam. | ||
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But it's so obvious that mafia can think of it easily. | ||
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1) Kmatt 2) Shapelog replaced by FecalFeast 3) TheCow replaced by The Shining 5) GiygaS 7) Fidei86 8) mderg Scumteam?: FF Fidei mderg ~~~ Gigyas did something that seemed town to me. I'd have to find it again though. ~~~ | ||
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On January 05 2016 01:24 mderg wrote: That's not wrong BUT is there anything I get scumpoints for? Seriously, both you and GB have been scumreading me for like 5 rl days without giving any proper explanation for it but for some reason want the others to prove that I'm town. That's so fucking stupid I can't even believe it. um that's gb who is doing that not me. I just can't townread you so I'm assuming you're scum. What you can do about it is tell me who is scum and why. | ||
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On January 05 2016 01:30 mderg wrote: HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT DOING IT? If you're town I sincerely hope you get a coach next game! Ok maybe I am doing it. So who is scum and why? | ||
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nm, i understand mderg's problem with my suspicion against him. he can't defend himself. I took a look at one of his scumgames and after he defended himself from a case everyone thought he was townie. I'm not giving him a chance to defend himself. The only way he can prove he is town to me is if he acts townie. | ||
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just attempt to find scum. | ||
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On January 05 2016 05:23 mderg wrote: If you had actually looked at my scumgames carefully, you'd have seen lots of differences to my play now. Like what? I'm a sucker for self-meta. | ||
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On January 05 2016 21:27 Fidei86 wrote: From your filter I think you were town reading him before? So now you're scum reading him? I'm going to have to look through his filter, but let's just say I have a better idea what his scumgame looks like now from other games. I was underestimating it. | ||
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On January 05 2016 23:24 Fidei86 wrote: Ugh lots of people seem to be switching onto GB but I haven't really seen a convincing case yet. I'd much rather lynch into mderg/Gigya/KMatt. NM what are these phrases you talk about? I don't remember looking at the Mafia QT in NSM XIV.. I see you defending GB a lot, but I don't see you putting forth good reasons to vote mderg/gigya/kmatt. | ||
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On January 06 2016 02:36 GlowingBear wrote: I need answers so I can draw conclusions. You have 54 pages to draw conclusions from. Your questions aren't specific. They are broad, asking for list posts. It makes it seem like youre asking them for the sake of asking them. | ||
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On January 05 2016 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Setting up what if scott flips town even though before this you made your first real post about someone about scott being mafia. To me it seems weird to be talking about what if scott flips town after this. Why is it weird,especially when he wasn't the one who brought it up? He wasresponding to someone else who had brought it up. | ||
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On January 06 2016 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Right and it felt like the response was setting up a town flip but I can see it being purely a response to irish speculating on a mafia flip... I don't want to put effort into my reads kush come on To me it seems contradictory that #1 you dont want to put in effort and #2 you complain about the game not being active enough. | ||
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On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote: There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads. His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him. That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho. To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first. 1 At the end of the day he said he needed to reasses his scumteam. So why would scum kill him for reads he didn't even have anymore? 2 Did you consider that scum killed him because he looked town? | ||
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On January 06 2016 04:46 GlowingBear wrote: 1) because he was universally town read. His approach to the game was also very experienced. He is a better player than most of veterans in these forums already. 2) Of course? Why else would scum kill him? Do you think scum was blue hunting since the beginning? ok so why do you think it's a good idea to base your scumread of gigyas on his if you admit that's not why he was killed. | ||
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On January 06 2016 07:18 Fidei86 wrote: This wagon on GB gives me the super heebie-jeebies. There are too many people jumping onto it too easily and with too little explanation. I think we should be lynching mderg instead, for the following reasons: His first read on GB makes no sense At #237 he notes that people are quick to jump on GB, for reasons that he agrees with "his opening was fishy", but he doesn't like it because it "feels too easy". So the opening is scummy, but people pointing that out is fishy? Huh? His second read on GB is based on a falsity Day 2 he votes GB initially (#741) for absolutely shit reasons - GB quoted Irish's reads accurately, and tried to do some NK WIFOM. Mderg then said that GB had NOT given Irish's reads correctly (which GB had) and voted for him. When called out on it, he tried to say that GB had cherry picked votes, which he HADN'T. This is just a read based on a factual innaccuracy, but instead of admitting the mistake, he doubles down. He parrots other people's reasons for voting His Scott vote at #455 was for reasons that had already been set out by others (set out helpfully by Irish at #441). On top of that, he also says that he's going to "park his vote" there, which is pretty scummy as it indicates a lack of conviction and looks to be leaving himself room to change later. He doesn't actually change his vote, despite not really saying anything about scott through the rest of the day. When he finally explained his GB read after the #741 issue, he basically just summarised what people had said previously about GB. Then at #815 he calls out Kmatt's case, but says that he agrees with some of it and that GB is scum anyway. His posts are responsive and reactive. Most of his posts throughout his filter are responses to other posts. It's a classic scum technique of appearing active, while actually not contributing anything. See, for example, #599, #587, although really most of his filter fits the pattern. His only long posts have come recently, and they seem to have mostly been an explanation of his own play in past games ... big help. LYNCH mderg. Please. ##vote: mderg omg it's the legendary chainsaw defense! | ||
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fidei's case is total bs. agree or disagree? | ||
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well played fidei this scumgame was actually a lot better than your last one. But that case against mderg is so scummy lol. | ||
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They both have really similar playstyles so I confuse them a lot. | ||
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On January 06 2016 17:16 GiygaS wrote: Like I'm right that fdei's post could easily be from a town if GB is town right? Chainsaw is only a scumtell if the person they are defending is scum. But then who's scum? I have solid town reads on noon, kmatt and nm. Which means I'm wrong about one of those people or the scum team is 3 of GB, fdei, ff and mderg. Makes a lot more sense for the first 3 to be a scum team than the last one to be on a team with GB and fdei after fdei's post. Fideis case is still a chainsaw defense even if gb isn't scum. Also it's full of misrepresentations. Gb your reason for voting gigyas was bad and scummy. There's other Scummy stuff in forgetting. What Seals the deal is the general lack of towniness. | ||
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On January 03 2016 00:55 mderg wrote: I don't like this post at all. You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought. You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game. That's not town play. ##vote GB Here's mderg's post in question. Fidei, you are ignoring the first part: You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought And focusing on the second part: You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game You are nitpicking this part which can be true or not depending on how you interpret it. But really the important part is the first part which you seem to be ignoring. | ||
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On January 06 2016 23:12 GlowingBear wrote: Reassessing scum reads doesn't mean he would drop them, necessarily. Why are you pushing this information so hard? Um because it is your only current scumread with actual reasoning behind it. So I don't have a lot to push lol. We can argue in vain about how sure he was about his reads. All we know is "reread and reasses" indicates he had some extent of doubt about his reads. That doubt was not acknowledged by you and it makes your reasoning for voting gigyas that much weaker. People have answered your questions. You have done nothing with the answers. I'd like you to make some content other than defending yourself. You could give your thoughts about fidei's case since that seems to be the hot topic right now. | ||
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On January 06 2016 12:39 GlowingBear wrote: I don't admit that. I admit that Irish was killed because he was looking townie. Which doesn't mean Mafia didn't think he was also a danger to the team while scum reading Giygas. But the reason I scum read Giygas is that it is already day3 and I know nothing about his reads. He is not engaged, he is not investigating. He is here, comes by and do nothing. There is something in particular: he decided to vote me last day. After asking me questions that I answered and made him say "oh yes you're right you already said that". What I mean is that, from our interaction, you can see that he had a suspicion on something about me and when proved wrong, he backtracked. Therefore, it basically means he dropped his suspicions on me. Why voting me, then? It came out of the blue. Then Gyigas voted Onegu. Again, what under Giygas POV makes him switch to Onegu's wagon? Basically, me and Onegu are never partners for the way we've pushed each other. So if Giygas actually was scum reading me, how come he switches to Onegu? ok let me look into this | ||
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I can empathize with this chain of posts. It's got all the right details that point to townie trying to figure out the game, especially his PoE consideration. Also the fact that giygas had an activity drop off in his last towngame so that is nai. On January 06 2016 15:16 GiygaS wrote: I'm back. I'm honestly really frustrated because I can't figure out what the fuck is going on. I read for hours last night and nothing came out of it cause when I thought somebody was scum I would convince myself on second look that they were very possibly town. GB vote this morning was just because I woke up late for work and honestly thought day ended today for some reason. I just want to slam my fucking head in to this fucking keyboard until I can figure out how the fuck to play this game. Now I'm thinking that it's possible that GB is town, in which case fdei making a chainsaw defense means absolutely nothing. On January 06 2016 15:18 GiygaS wrote: I voted you GB and then switched because I knew that you were unlikely to be mafia together, but I couldn't figure out which of you was mafia out of the two, since I had it in my head that since there were only two people being voted for in such a close margin that it was likely there was a mafia in the two. On January 06 2016 17:16 GiygaS wrote: Like I'm right that fdei's post could easily be from a town if GB is town right? Chainsaw is only a scumtell if the person they are defending is scum. But then who's scum? I have solid town reads on noon, kmatt and nm. Which means I'm wrong about one of those people or the scum team is 3 of GB, fdei, ff and mderg. Makes a lot more sense for the first 3 to be a scum team than the last one to be on a team with GB and fdei after fdei's post. | ||
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PoE leaves GB, fidei, FF. So I guess I'll leave my vote on GB but I'm going into this lynch pretty shakey. | ||
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- why townread FF if you have agreed that he's not confirmed town just because of the replacement. -why townread fidei even after that bad case? Obviously your case on mderg or gigyas is not that strong, since your reasoning is mostly based on their passive playstyle. SO why not consider fidei? | ||
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On January 07 2016 01:15 GlowingBear wrote: (2) I don't have to update my read on anyone if their new posts are as equal as their past posts. I can understand his point of killing me or Onegu as town, but I still think he looks scummy. I don't think working with scum teams is townie at all. Scum teams is so easy to set up as Mafia, because associative reads are way easier to fake than legitimate reads. So what's left is lack of reads and passivity. Right? | ||
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On January 07 2016 02:23 GlowingBear wrote: The only reason I'm not flipping out is because this is a newbie game lol U better flip scum | ||
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On January 07 2016 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would like to know the following though: This is the final votecount from D1. Onegu and kush (mainly, and also the townies on scott), why did you decide that Fidei is not mafia on D2? There was never any serious push on anyone except for Glowingbear/Onegu on D2, what suddenly changed? Like you guys had at least a semi-serious counterwagon for the D1 lynch and imo Fidei didn't really do anything particularly townie during the night. (when someone has 2 scumreads in a game where there is 3 mafia, it is extremely unlike they have, at the same time five null reads -- unless they are scum) His defense made me realize I didn't have a good case on him. But I did end up scumreading him just because his last case was full of misrepresentation. Kmart I made a bad assumption that first game player couldn't make that megacase. I guess I wasn't accounting for the coach effect? Nm yeah.. I stopped looking at his posts critically because of two reasons. I assumed that only town had his type of analytical content. Although now that I think back it was more like high caliber nitpicking. Also his last scumgame sucked and His play this game was an astonomical jump, which made him being scum less likely in my mind. So town was forced to make bad cases on each other, which made town look more scummy. Gbs reasoning for scumreading Mderg and gigyas was a lack of strong scumreads, but they didn't have scum reads because scum was playing really well. When a game seems hard like this one did, I think you need to recalibrate and almost reverse what to expect from town and scum. Town will look bad because they can't figure stuff out, and scum will look good because hard games are an indication that scum is playing well. As for that last part, that's not true. Gb had 2 scum reads. Mderg had 0.. | ||
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