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On December 26 2015 11:14 Shapelog wrote: Could of dual major but noooooo Had to get the single major in the java script. P.S. Got to go to hospital tomorrow for all day for testing, then on the 27th have the surgery, and on the 28th to the 29th i will come home. Worse case to shove i get mod killed day 1 for not voting. times like these makes me wish i had a smart phone or laptop Will the game even start in the next few days? According to the player list we're still short one. | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote: Nop. Just kush. Yeah, it's a joke  to be fair we are kinda very "jokish" here in TL Mafia in the beginning of the games. We even call it "joke phase"No, I don't, these opens are basically not alignment indicatice (NAI) What exactly you didn't like about their openings? If this is jokephase I got one: What do you call a Zerg player that researched Chitinous Plating? + Show Spoiler + Promoted to diamond league It's funny because it happened to me and I felt validated but now I hear that ultras are OP and doubt myself. On second thought let's not tell jokes. As for openings, I only thought yours was fishy, but it's day one and you probably end up being more valuable alive since you're still likely town. | ||
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Well just by probability there's a better chance of town than mafia. No real information to work off of yet. On December 29 2015 09:02 Irishbound wrote: @Kmatt, what did you find fishy about Glowings opening? He seems to be working more on making a positive image of himself compared to everyone else. Made a lot of early posts like. On December 29 2015 07:14 GlowingBear wrote: Lol did I? Anyway, you're now my buddy!!! On December 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote: 100% true ##Vote: kush On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote: You're the quickest townread I have ever had! Hi! Welcome to the forums! Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax He just seems to be trying to be overly friendly and helpful compared to everyone else who seems to be content to wait for more information. Then again this is Newbie Student Mafia so being more friendly and helpful is to be expected (I think). No one else's first posts had much substance aside from how you were reading into it, but GB seems to be trying at getting his name out there in a positive light. I don't think that's nearly enough to convict someone, just trying to practice reading into posts. | ||
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On December 29 2015 09:08 NocturneMage wrote: Greetings everybody! We're going to start the day by getting rid of obvious scum. And by obvious scum, I mean the dota players. Because as we all know Dota is a shitty game played by shitty people so it's never too soon to start taking out the trash! ##vote Fidei86 You know it's one thing for the SC2 purists to trash DOTA but I'm not about to take that from "DOTA: Casual Cashgrab edition" | ||
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On December 29 2015 09:28 Shapelog wrote: I like Kmatt, he hates my main race in sc2 ^.^ (though, tbf i do not use ults a lot, only like 60% of my ZvT games) I meant that as I play Zerg, and got promoted shortly after coming back for LotV. Now I can't tell if it's because I got the hang of it quicker or I was carried by Ultras. It's all ZvZs anyway so I think I'm good. | ||
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On December 29 2015 10:00 NocturneMage wrote: KMatt from post 197 you are suggesting that probability is a reason that GB is more likely town, yet the reality here is 3/11 chance (I know I'm town and you would on yourself from the perspective that you are town) there is mafia and in this case, that you might suggest there is potential mafia behaviour (buddying in this case) for GB. From the perspective of an experienced player, and/or based on his repetition you suggested, do you see that possibly coming from town or mafia? Do you see any other interactions from GB that would point you towards either direction. Furthermore, do you have any other observations on the other players that have made reads/interactions in thread? I didn't really mean anything by saying that he was "probably town", just purely the 3/11 (27%) vs 8/11 (73%) chance factor. I actually didn't think about the buddying factor though, since none of the people he was "buddying" came off as suspicious to me. I wouldn't go as far as to say that GB is showing mafia behavior, just that he stood out to me. If I had to guess right now, his posts would make more sense for a mafia to do. However, that seems like it would be an obvious (mafia) rookie mistake (considering a scrub "caught" him on it), which I wouldn't expect of him. I'm still neutral on it for now. Kind of the same with Irish. He's certainly putting more ideas out there than a lot of other posters, but nothing that would really swing me either way. | ||
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On December 29 2015 11:32 Shapelog wrote: Time to ladder on sc2. Im pretty sure i did play Kmatt a day or two ago when I was placing in a ZvZ (i was wildcard  ).Will come back shortly when there is more content or i get bored and start talking to myself. I haven't actually laddered this week, thankfully. Random in ranked games are my trigger. | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:30 mderg wrote: Right now Onegu is just a huge questionmark for me. Was just about to say the same. Looks like he waited almost whole IRL day before exposing himself to the thread. Is that a meta thing for him? Not to jump to conclusions, but it seems like he was waiting for a few other people (like Scott, GB, and ShapeLog) to come under a bit of fire before he would garner any attention himself. Not saying I have a lean on him but I'd feel much better if he would share with the class a little. | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:35 Shapelog wrote: Also people reaction times are already interesting enough. Like it took NM 5 mins to respond to it (although he was on before so idk) Might be my scrub showing, but I wouldn't think on that too much. Since we're on the internet, I would imagine people are bouncing between a couple of tabs before they come back to refresh this page. I know I often go back and review my own posts because I feel picky about sentence structure and grammar, etc. That really bothers me in this setup because I can't edit so if I post and see something I don't like, I'm forced to accept my repetitive structure or run-on sentence, etc. | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:40 Kmatt wrote: Might be my scrub showing, but I wouldn't think on that too much. Since we're on the internet, I would imagine people are bouncing between a couple of tabs before they come back to refresh this page. I know I often go back and review my own posts because I feel picky about sentence structure and grammar, etc. That really bothers me in this setup because I can't edit so if I post and see something I don't like, I'm forced to accept my repetitive structure or run-on sentence, etc. Which is to offer another explanation why it would take longer to respond. | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:54 nooniansoong wrote: plynch = policy lynch I think it's the optimal lynch. I don't have a scumread on onegu. But the probability of lynching scum d1 is low. Onegu is probably going to be an unreadable entity all game long, so it's best to get him out of the way now. Does that mean, barring any exceptional circumstances, he's a lynch vote for you by meta-knowledge alone? | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:16 Shapelog wrote: We shall untie and kill you. Then sacrifice u to our Kita god ^.^ I would think he'd be easier to kill if we kept him tied up. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:42 nooniansoong wrote: minor white knight, because your comment had the unwritten implication that nm is scummy because he takes a long time to respond. I didn't make the post to imply that NM was town, just that post times shouldn't be all that indicative of affiliation this early. There are patterns of posting that would draw suspicion, but I don't think Shapelog mentioned any and I certainly haven't seen anything weird from him. NMs posts had content, but I didn't see any agenda other than information gathering. GBs posts at the time had barely any content, but he seemed to be trying to "get in good" with everyone. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:29 nooniansoong wrote: he's ridiculously noncommittal Since you seem to be more experienced, what would an appropriate amount of "commitment" be here? I know a few people have tossed out votes but most are either joking or not really grounded. I've been reading everyone's posts but without any context (like knowing that X was mafia when we thought they were town at the post time) I don't see much information to commit to. Granted it's day one, so it seems like winging it on the first lynch is the way to go barring any outstanding evidence. | ||
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On December 29 2015 10:41 GiygaS wrote: The joke was forced in that I wanted to post to say "I'm here" basically, but didn't really have much to say. As for what I think about Irish, slight town lean. Only real suspicion is on GB atm for his very matter of fact town read (I agree with it to some extent but he was very confident in it so early which I thought was weird) and that weird first post. Which doesn't really tell us anything. He kind of agrees with an unfounded town read but is still skeptical of it and doesn't have any conclusion other than that GB might be scum, but no logic train or evidence of any kind. I wouldn't mind that so much if it weren't 21 hours ago. The vote comes up tomorrow and he's completely off the radar. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:22 GlowingBear wrote: I think Kmatt's filter has been wishy washy, that's why I voted him. I could quoting and explaining my rwas but I'm actually too lazy right now to put effort I'm also playing another game which from times to times keeps me from giving my full attention to this one Well you're right that I haven't gone hard on anyone yet. While I still believe there's not enough evidence to properly decide now, reading through the filters will probably give me enough to make my choice come tomorrow. For now I'm probably gonna vote GB or Giygas. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:40 Shapelog wrote: So u have list the chances of him being town, then null him, then put him up for vote? What has changed? I mean all that has happen is that he scum read u. did you reread and a earlier post seems scummy now or what? I can understand ur GiygaS Khan vote thou. I don't think much has changed. To be honest, I did have a scumlean on GB, but I don't want to assert that since I wasn't confident enough in my own "evidence". Looking back over it I think I'm comfortable dropping my scumlean on GB. With that said: ##vote GiygaS | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:36 GlowingBear wrote: I usually delay explanation and post just votes and questions just to have people talking. If I answered you right at that moment I would destroy this premise. So I was just trying to have people talking about it for a longer time. While that seems like an effective tactic, I really can't like using it as town since that fits "make posts that stir up trouble without actually contributing to the thread" to a T. Not five minutes after I toss my scumread... If you really do have an argument against me, let's get it out into the open. I don't think there's anything to lose by hiding information from all three of us in here right now. | ||
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On December 30 2015 10:03 TheCow wrote: 1) Kmatt appears to be sort of inconsistent with his stances in a way which -- in my eyes -- suggests he's playing in a opportunistic manner. First example: Posts 187 and 192. Since this is my first Mafia game, yes, I am looking to other posts to see what I can contribute to the thread. I don't know what post 192 has to do with me (I'll assume it's a typo). 2) The appearance of minor [active lurking] in that I cannot see many definitive stances, contention points, or general conviction in his filter. I elaborated on this earlier, and I still don't believe I have enough evidence to incriminate anyone. Even my GiygaS vote is based on posting activity rather than content. If some people who aren't ShapeLog or trying to get me killed would post I would have a much easier time with this. 3) Flimsy accusations where they exist (Kmatt->GB, Kmatt->Onegu). Again, like with GiygaS, my only gripe against GB was his attitude rather than his arguments or contents (and for now I've dropped those suspicions). As for Onegu, I actually forgot he's in this game. Like I griped above, the posting activity is minimal while I'm online so I've got jack to work with. I never accused him of being scum, just that I wished he would post something of substance. | ||
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On December 30 2015 11:15 NocturneMage wrote: From context in 362 I am going to make the assumption that KMatt (unlike Cow/Irishbound) is pretty inexperienced at forum mafia. Can you also walk me through what in your head made you drop that scumlean on GB? That's about the only thing not clear in the filter. I can see the evidence threshold being reasonable of an argument for a newbie who doesn't know what he's doing to make. I can see this quote: Being a reasonable amount of scepticism towards someone for someone who is inexperienced with forum mafia. This becomes more certain when you take that against GB's lack of (direct) followup per his filter. I was never too invested in the scumlean to begin with, but I keep getting flak for not being decisive on my calls (even though half of this game has been on mute and no one else seems bothered by it). I was convinced that his arguments were genuine enough to be townie (at lease with as much weight as I thought him scum), but barring the people who aren't showing their faces, he still has the highest degree of uncertainty for me with his latest posts. I just don't feel comfortable making that call yet, so I'm gonna stick with GiygaS until I see/can make a better case. | ||
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On December 30 2015 11:33 NocturneMage wrote: KMatt, can you comment on the following: Let's see (1) Irishbound's case/explanation on the Noon/Scott association Seems silly to me. He says "crackpot theories" are more town-indicative, but if anything I would assume that to be a scum tell. I want to agree with him since he's more experienced, but that sounds like the ideal scum post: make some wacky accusation and leave everyone else to argue it. Of course, that's also too obvious and I doubt an actual scum would post that, but then we get into "Wine on the Table" territory. I'm not holding it in any weight. (2) Fidei and his opening reads Like Fidei said it's all meta-reads. If what he's saying is true I wouldn't argue against policy-lynching Onegu since he's detrimental to winning either way. I still think there are more important people to be watching though. (3) Noon's posturing (for lack of better words) on GB He seems to be asking GB to give him townread evidence. GBs made plenty of posts so far so I don't know what else Noon wants from him. I don't see how townreading GB would somehow also scumread me. Just because we're often arguing against each other doesn't mean one of us is scum, especially with the full player count. (4) Scott and how he looks from your perspective Did the same thing I've pointed out with a number of people. Starts by making a big post that says nothing (also claimed he was gonna read page 11 and come back) and then vanishes into thin air. At this point I can't even tell if that's scum behavior or people just being lazy about it. (5) any other issues - EXCEPT Onegu who I feel is bordering the closest to a policy lynch - that you think are deserving of the thread attention? [/QUOTE] Considering the point about GB having a hollow case against me while wanting the rest of the thread to "discuss" my guilty-ness seems scummy considering he didn't follow up with anything. I'm getting suspicious of GB again with these new developments. | ||
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On December 30 2015 12:07 TheCow wrote: This post is being written as of post 415. @Kmatt Before we proceed, I'd like to ask you three quick questions just to get a better understanding of you as a player. 1) How much experience do you have with the game Mafia? 2) How do you feel about this game in its current state? 3) In one sentence, describe yourself as a person. (not a question, but close enough ._.) Odd, but here we go. 1) I know the rules/role structure from having played the SC2 mod (in that mod each day/night cycle is only a few minutes so there's no real discussion). There was a lot of variety in player powers so I know a fair bit of those interactions, but as for forum mafia and reading people this is my first game. 2) We seem to be converging on a number of potential lynch targets, but there are just too many people staying quiet for my liking. Some of these accusations seem legitimate, but with the deadline looming it doesn't look like we'll have a solid choice. 3) I'm rather calm and slow to anger, taking a patient approach to problem solving, sometimes at the cost of initiative. | ||
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On December 30 2015 12:14 Irishbound wrote: @Kmatt - You've missed what I've meant with the Noon/Scott association entirely, NM's referring to this: Looking over his filter and thread timing, I definitely think it weird that he would make that call when he did. He didn't really say anything in his posts until he wanted to policylynch Onegu, then quickly "townreads" Scott without actually defending or addressing the claims against him (not that they were anything special but still), and then takes off. I feel like I have the same complaint against everyone here. | ||
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However I am going to assert that GB is the more dangerous target. Sure, Scott was acting "scummy" by not really participating, but he hasn't really derailed the thread or caused trouble (yet). GB on the other hand is an active poster who has been calling quite a few scumreads (myself included) with virtually no justification, as well as some very empty townreads. The fishy interactions with Noon are enough to seal the deal for me. More importantly, if we were to lynch Scott, we would learn almost nothing. Even if he came up scum, his posts have been so hollow that we wouldn't have a solid lead to go from there. Unless GB can clean up his act in time, there's a lot more to be gained out of him. ##unvote GiygaS ##vote GlowingBear | ||
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On December 30 2015 23:35 Fidei86 wrote: ... Okay, I'll bite. My view is that lynching people for 'information' on D1 is basically the worst thing we can do. Without any flips -- and particularly without any scum flips -- associative reads are pretty much worthless. We should either lynch scum, or Onegu as a plynch. But since you're here I'll ask - what about the GB/kush interaction don't you like? I think it's extremely fishy that Kush says "I don't know how to play D1 I have no reads woe is me" and then immediately jumps onto GB's vote on you, but I don't really see how that reflects badly on GB? The catalyst for me is this post, as mderg pointed out On December 30 2015 18:43 mderg wrote: That's a post that might as well come from a scum QT. So basically they only mention each other but don't actually have any kind of conversation. Considering that they've played quite a few games with each other that's definitely noteworthy and makes me believe that at least one of them is scum. I thought it was off but I figured someone else had a better explanation. It's one thing for someone to call out another player with questions (Hey X what do you think of Y), but for Noon to call GB out of the blue and say "build my case for me" and then have both of them come up empty while the vote is on the table is too wrong for me. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:24 GlowingBear wrote: This is what I don't like on Kmatt. He says I'm fishy but keeps backtracking on it. It just feels like he is trying to give an opinion while not really relying on it. Am I fishy or not? What does fishy means? Mafia? If so, why not just saying I'm scummy and going against it? Prior to Wednesday morning I was still undecided. However that morning I re-read the filter again and saw some stuff I didn't like. Firstly, the townread on Irish, while later found to be true, didn't have any real ground to it. Irish makes a townread on Kush that he himself says is weak (from a single day 1 post mind you). On December 29 2015 08:25 GlowingBear wrote: Pretty much sincere opening with him giving an opinion right away on what he likes. Sounds like someone who feels free to play the game without concern of how he looks. So he thinks the single opening post was "sincere", even though Irish even doubted his own credibility. Looks to me like he just gave that out at the first person he could read just so he could have a townread for everyone to see. The he just fullquotes Irish's next post to say he agrees and nothing else. On December 30 2015 03:00 GlowingBear wrote: I like it like it's coming from town. His tone feels like carefree too. Then another townread on Shapelog for no explained reason. And his explanation for that one is... On December 30 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote: Because you could've just left and keep laddering. Instead, you've stayed here, wanting to play the game, anxious for more content to be posted. This kind of excited is something that usually comes from town and is rarely faked by Mafia I'm gonna take a Nap and keep catching up So someone's active in the thread on the first day. Groundbreaking analysis right here folks. Just like with Irish he declares the guy town out of the blue and follows up with "evidence" with made-up context. Then comes the scumread on me. Oh, now he's digging deep, ready to contribute to the most important discussion in the thread at the moment. Let's see what thread contributions he has with his declared lynch target. On December 30 2015 07:39 GlowingBear wrote: Ok fully caught up I'm voting Kmatt because reasons ##Vote: Kmatt k Well just like with his other reads he pulls that from seemingly nowhere. At least everyone can see he's a real scumhunter, throwing out the dangerous vote! Stay tuned for the full scoop. On December 30 2015 07:47 Shapelog wrote: and people have red bumps on their genitalia for "reasons" Can u explain GB? Drumroll please... On December 30 2015 07:54 GlowingBear wrote: I think he is scummy So still nothing. Note that now he's actually getting other people in the thread involved in this "discussion" about nothing. On December 30 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote: Before I answer: do you have any reads on him? Shapelog literally handed you the soapbox to voice your actual case that you actually have for everyone to hear and examine. Instead you turn the question back for him. Why would you need someone else to discuss this read? You already have one (or so we're told)! On December 30 2015 09:22 GlowingBear wrote: I think Kmatt's filter has been wishy washy, that's why I voted him. I could quoting and explaining my rwas but I'm actually too lazy right now to put effort I'm also playing another game which from times to times keeps me from giving my full attention to this one So how many posts is he going to use before he starts contributing to the thread. He posted reads, asked questions with no real follow-up or conclusions, and now wants other people to discuss a case he himself refuses to acknowledge. Imagine if every post I quoted so far was never posted. How much information would we have missed? How much further from winning would we be? Oh right nowhere because he's not actually contributing anything. Surely he's not just making these posts to clog the thread and bait responses, right? That's so obviously scum behavior, so clearly On December 30 2015 09:36 GlowingBear wrote: I usually delay explanation and post just votes and questions just to have people talking. If I answered you right at that moment I would destroy this premise. So I was just trying to have people talking about it for a longer time. No, that's actually exactly what he's doing. K. Moving on On December 30 2015 11:20 GlowingBear wrote: If you check most of his games, he is mainly inactive. Don't you think it is kinda early to consider him mafia? When did making early reads become a problem? For some reason you're suddenly hesitant to call Scott Mafia, even though NM never actually accused him of scum, just wanted to pressure him. But we'll come back to that. On December 30 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote: The fact that I believe kush is likely to be town and that scott is impossible to know right now makes me want to lynch you very hard. Anyway I know I'm lacking contribution. I'll step up tomorrow. Alright so now you're threatening a lynch based on the fact that you have opposing reads. And by "reads", I mean you called Kush 'town'. Note that posts like this still aren't developing any claims, just showing off that he's totally scumhunting for real guys. At least he's become self-aware, that's good, right? On December 31 2015 00:30 GlowingBear wrote: I did forget. I will be reading the thread in one hour from now, then I'll give inputs. Still, I think Scott isn't the lynch for today Irish, I will be answering you soon. So still no info other than that Scott isn't a lynch target. He just claimed that he was null (and therefore possibly scum) but now Scott is off the board. Of course there's no actual analysis or anything, just look at the shiny claim. On December 31 2015 02:24 GlowingBear wrote: This is what I don't like on Kmatt. He says I'm fishy but keeps backtracking on it. It just feels like he is trying to give an opinion while not really relying on it. Am I fishy or not? What does fishy means? Mafia? If so, why not just saying I'm scummy and going against it? Alright almost 19 hours later he finally has a reason for his vote. I'm indecisive on my read towards him and therefore am scum. Now while I don't agree with his logic (if I were scum I wouldn't have to doubt my reasons for wanting him dead, since I'd know he's a kill target anyway I don't even need a valid "reason". Sound familiar?), at least he finally posts something marginally substantial. He then uses five more posts to explain the same point that indecisiveness=scum. On December 31 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote: And now I think mderg is mafia, kush. Mderg and Onegu. Oh look two more scumreads! Again, no content, no explanation, just "hey these guys are scum". He's practically got this entire game figured out by now. At least he shares that much insight with us. Then TheCow decides to play and starts asking questions to garner information to analyze and develop a case. What does our hero do? + Show Spoiler + Oh an image macro. Information and analysis are for nerds anyway. Now we go back to the Onegu scumread. If you can even call it that. On December 31 2015 03:12 GlowingBear wrote: He usually does this to get towncred. My very first game with him he did it as scum. He defended me when I was getting scumread. I actually have a good reason to call Onegu scum So he's meta-gaming from that one time Onegu made a similar post while being Mafia. Leak-proof case right here. Now TheCow comes back to share his ideas with the thread. How will GB contribute to finding answers? What compels you to hit "Post"? What could we possibly gain from this? At least Shapelog's spam was kind of funny, this is just stupid. Again, TheCow is trying to figure out the game, you try to be an epic trole. Alright time for a shot at redemption. Let's see GB post his case to help further figure out the game. All he has to do is not deflect, ignore, or shitpost... On December 31 2015 03:15 GlowingBear wrote: THERE! I've got your attention How do you read mderg, shapelog and scott? God damn it. On December 31 2015 03:20 GlowingBear wrote: This is bad, I was just townreading you :/ U wot m8. When the hell did I become town again? I know you have no standards but come on. As for myself I'm going to explain the point raised against me. My read onto GiygaS was kind of BS. I was getting flak (mostly from GB) for being indecisive and not presenting solid reads. I understand that doesn't help the game so I had to take a shot at something. I didn't have any solid scumreads (was reconsidering GB at the time of the GiygaS vote), so I decided to turn my attention to my least favorite AFK player. No I couldn't defend my scumread on GiygaS but I was being pressured to make a call so I made one. As for why I switched to GB, see above. If I didn't mention it already, I had work that day and wouldn't be back in time before the 5:00pm window closed, so I wouldn't get to make this wall of text. Without presenting my reasoning I didn't have a reason to expect anyone else to follow me, but I'd rather make my vote count towards something more important than my forced GiygaS read. Now comes GB's wall of text. Have a look at this gem On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) Once again Scott is a no-lynch for now a poorly-founded meta reason. Any grievances people had against him written off as Scott doing it as town in other games. The good part comes up next. On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum. Who was it that raised a fuss because I was being "wishy-washy"? Suddenly in spite of all my heinous crimes (worthy of an insta-vote, mind you), suddenly Kush convinced him that my behavior actually makes me town (when did this even happen?) but now I'm almost scum again. Maybe I'd understand this train of thought better if he posted something of substance every now and again. But then again, that would take away time from posting silly dog pictures. On December 31 2015 03:40 GlowingBear wrote: Actualy ROFL the thinks scott is a bad lynch when his main scumread IS THE SECOND WAGON but instead of arguing people should vote Gyigas with him he UNVOTES HIS MAIN SCUMREAD to VOTE ME while saying multiple times I could be town. Now he's back on me again because my vote on him was unfounded and that I wasn't hard committing to GiygaS. On December 31 2015 03:40 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lynching Kmatt today and no one else. Spoiler alert: He won't Skipping over some posts where he argues about wanting to lynch me when no one else jumps on his wagon. Now he defends Scott a third time. And by "defends", I mean he repeats his empty meta-case and swears to protect Scott. On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote: I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. So with tensions running high and the vote drawing near... On December 31 2015 06:15 GlowingBear wrote: Scott, vote Kmatt with me. On December 31 2015 06:21 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL I decided to give Diablo III another shot since a lot of people said it got better after some revamp Conclusion: I can't understand how someone can respect a game when a class' main attack is THROWING JARS WITH SPIDERS ON PEOPLE Or SUMMONING BELLS FROM THE HEAVENS AND SMASHING THEM ROFL And he's shitposting again. And now for the killing blow towards any faith I had left in this guy On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you You wot m8? After so adamantly asserting that I'm scum and defending Scott's town status (based on some meta read) since day one, you completely flip the boat because you don't like how he's voting. So why am I telling you all of this? A townie has no reason to shitpost past the opening banter. GB repeatedly shitposts throughout the thread. A townie has no reason to avoid posting his own cases when prompted. GB deflects questions towards his reads twice now. A townie has no reason to derail someone else's analysis and arguments that could help solve the game. GB attempts to derail discussion and arguments multiple times while contributing nothing to said discussion. A townie with no information about the other players would have no reason to vehemently defend Scott's innocence without a case and then completely throw him under the bus at the last second. You know the rest And most of all A townie wouldn't make reads about players with virtually nothing to back them up, but have no hesitation posting them for everyone to see. Every read should be in support or against a lynch vote. Almost none of GBs reads contribute towards that goal. Unless of course GB had a reason to convince the thread that he's scumhunting without actually helping solve the game. That reason being the GB is a mafia player. If I'm not being clear or commital enough here: ##vote GlowingBear I'm off to bed. I'll respond with what I can in the morning. | ||
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1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was? 2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread? 3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text? Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. | ||
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On January 02 2016 23:58 nooniansoong wrote: Except town does do all those things he said town doesn't do. So I don't think it's a good case. I'd like you to explain this bit in detail. I'm assuming "all those things he said town doesn't do" to be the following On January 02 2016 15:09 Kmatt wrote: A townie has no reason to shitpost past the opening banter. GB repeatedly shitposts throughout the thread. A townie has no reason to avoid posting his own cases when prompted. GB deflects questions towards his reads twice now. A townie has no reason to derail someone else's analysis and arguments that could help solve the game. GB attempts to derail discussion and arguments multiple times while contributing nothing to said discussion. A townie with no information about the other players would have no reason to vehemently defend Scott's innocence without a case and then completely throw him under the bus at the last second. You know the rest And most of all A townie wouldn't make reads about players with virtually nothing to back them up, but have no hesitation posting them for everyone to see. Every read should be in support or against a lynch vote. Almost none of GBs reads contribute towards that goal. Note that I never said it's things that town "doesn't do" but that they are things a townie has no reason to do. Could you present the town motivation for calling TheCow's theories "cute" instead of an actual response? Could you present the town motivation for deflecting a chance to explain his own platform in order to ask for reads? (and what about "now that I have you attention"? We're on a forum, everyone can "hear" him loud and clear) Could you present the town motivation for placing a vote onto Scott not because he believed Scott to be scum but that Scott voted on one of his townreads. What is the town motivation to intentionally lynch another (supposed) townie? | ||
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On January 04 2016 01:27 NocturneMage wrote: KMatt, I have a question. Let's say GlowingBear gets modkilled for whatever strange reason today. Whom would you vote for now? I would probably start looking into Noon more before placing that vote. The Onegu train seems to be going strong but I haven't been sold on him, while I have been picking up on that connection between GB and Noon. Admittedly with my hunt for GB I haven't been scrutinizing other players more and I ought to go do some more reading on the rest of the thread. On that note, where is Shape? His sudden disappearance following the first night kill is rather suspicious. I can understand being out for New Year's, but it's been two full days now. I think I'm gonna have to join you on that scumread you have for him. | ||
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On January 04 2016 04:27 GiygaS wrote: Going over it again I really don't like how kmatt ignored GB's probably most substantial post despite going over pretty much every other one when most of his case relies on painting GB as someone who's just shitposting and questioning people. Post I'm referring to: + Show Spoiler + On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: Cool I've finished catching up. town Fidei NocturneMage Irishbound (the way these three are engaging the thread looks like townies trying to solve the game. They see posts, they react, they go after information to further investigate people's alignment) Kush (I've played games with kush before and as mafia he really doesn't care, and he seems to care here. He is here, he is commenting stuff. It's a read mostly based on meta, tho) Shapelog (my weakest townread. I think his excitement to play is genuine, but the way he is engaging the thread is a little more passive than I expect from a townie. His opinions aren't firm. So I think he is townie but I have an eye open regarding him) Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) TheCow is null because I have no idea what his posts are actually after, but I think the formatting is SO SO CUUUUTE Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum mafia mderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment) Onegu (Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler][/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight) I was trying to wrap up that post so I only included the two entries on myself and Scott that had do with the point I was making. Nothing in that post did anything to convince me he was town anyway. | ||
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On January 04 2016 05:02 GiygaS wrote: How in the world does notifying main host confirm shape as town. My guess would be that they would have contacted him through the mafia private chat had it been available for him. Then again, we didn't see the public post for TheCow, so even if this somehow confirms ShapeLog, that would simultaneously condemn The Shining. The most likely case is that Ms. Shapelog was only instructed to post in the thread. It would have also made sense to let us know about him going for the operation publicly as an explanation for his lack of activity. | ||
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On January 04 2016 05:10 GiygaS wrote: The blue post was clearly made to alert Ms. Shape to him being made aware, does nothing to show that either player is or isn't scum. That's what I meant, he probably didn't feel the need to inform her of mafia chat (if he was in it), and since she was in the thread it makes sense to post directly at her. | ||
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While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed. I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. | ||
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On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote: I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote: I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. | ||
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On January 04 2016 08:58 nooniansoong wrote: I'm not saying it makes him town, but GB voting scott because he had more of a TR on fidei than scott seems like it makes sense to me. Why the hell would he voting anyone who isn't a scumread? You can have the dumbest scumread in the world but at least it makes sense to vote for scum. He voted to lynch his own townread. | ||
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I was pretty skeptical about his sudden post and GiygaS' vote switch when GB was on the table but if Shining really was a blue, then the only scenario where GiygaS fits in as scum would be if they had planned to vote switch two off of GB (or one from another wagon to put it at 4-5) at the last minute and Shining did half the work for them. I'm willing to put away that crackpot theory for the time being, which leaves us with... Shapelog/FecalFeast: Shape was dubious at best before, but a lot of my grievances with him was his sudden disappearance. Now that we know about the surgery and FF's activity so far I'll peg him as town. GiygaS: While that voteswitch was sketchy, Shining did have a point, and he clearly wasn't trying to trick anyone. Outside of my crackpot theory I've not a lot of reason reason to suspect him. Slight town. NocturneMage: My safest townread second only to Cow/Shining. I'll give his filter the once-over since there's been a lot out of him to be sure, but so far I have no complaints against him. Town. Fidei: I don't like how inactive he's been, but that's been the case for three townies so far (Scott, Onegu, and TheCow were all afk early on and they've all flipped town). However, if he doesn't come in with some solid scumreads today I'm gonna have a problem here. Slight scum. GlowingBear: I don't really buy or even get that explanation for the Scott vote and there's been a lot of anti-town posting coming from him. Especially considering how few players are left, I can't really see a scenario where he's not scum. Unless someone can show me solid evidence that there's a better shot in someone else I'm keeping my vote right here. Scum. I have to run out so I can't finish my bit on mderg and kush. | ||
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On January 05 2016 08:42 Fidei86 wrote: Just skimming through Kmatt's filter and this post really stands out to me. This is just a fucking bizarre argument to me. At the time when GB voted he was the only voter on you, and there were 4 on scott and three on me. It was EOD and there was a pretty heavily contested lynch. It would be MUCH scummier for GB to have AFK'd through the day and just taken the lynch on Onegu or me (both town). Instead, he consolidated onto Scott, who he thought was more scummy than me. I don't understand the confusion? Isn't that super towny? He never said Scott was scummy though, just that Onegu was more towny. Choosing between who he saw as one scum (me) and two towns (Scott and Onegu) he points his gun away from me to aim at Scott. | ||
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The way he was questioning me when I had a wagon going even though I was already voted on led me to believe that he was considering Vig shotting me. Obviously we know that's not the case, but it could have been that he scanned me night one. That would explain why he didn't bother questioning me much after that initial quizzing. | ||
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On January 06 2016 02:22 GlowingBear wrote: Kmatt, Giygas, can you give your opinions on every other players in the game please? Funny you ask that since I did that in #1032. On January 05 2016 07:52 Kmatt wrote: You know I had my suspicions that Cow/Shining was blue but damn detective? We really needed that for the last days. I was pretty skeptical about his sudden post and GiygaS' vote switch when GB was on the table but if Shining really was a blue, then the only scenario where GiygaS fits in as scum would be if they had planned to vote switch two off of GB (or one from another wagon to put it at 4-5) at the last minute and Shining did half the work for them. I'm willing to put away that crackpot theory for the time being, which leaves us with... Shapelog/FecalFeast: Shape was dubious at best before, but a lot of my grievances with him was his sudden disappearance. Now that we know about the surgery and FF's activity so far I'll peg him as town. GiygaS: While that voteswitch was sketchy, Shining did have a point, and he clearly wasn't trying to trick anyone. Outside of my crackpot theory I've not a lot of reason reason to suspect him. Slight town. NocturneMage: My safest townread second only to Cow/Shining. I'll give his filter the once-over since there's been a lot out of him to be sure, but so far I have no complaints against him. Town. Fidei: I don't like how inactive he's been, but that's been the case for three townies so far (Scott, Onegu, and TheCow were all afk early on and they've all flipped town). However, if he doesn't come in with some solid scumreads today I'm gonna have a problem here. Slight scum. GlowingBear: I don't really buy or even get that explanation for the Scott vote and there's been a lot of anti-town posting coming from him. Especially considering how few players are left, I can't really see a scenario where he's not scum. Unless someone can show me solid evidence that there's a better shot in someone else I'm keeping my vote right here. Scum. I have to run out so I can't finish my bit on mderg and kush. As for those last two: mderg: I do find it odd that there seem to be no original thoughts in his filter. While I agree with the notion that being conversational-styled isn't inherently scummy, I haven't seen any posts where he says "Hey look I think X is scum and here's why". He does say that he has too many townreads, but at this stage in the game there should be ample arguments to be made. He does ask a lot of questions, but they never lead to a conclusion. To me, a real townie would be using those answers and information to build a case. I've seen nothing really helpful out of him, and by PoE, I'm gonna have to call scum here unless shown otherwise. Scum. Noon/Kush: His posts seem a little more genuine but I'm not sold on him being town yet. I've got two better reads so far, and Fidei is still in the air for me. I'll call Null for now. I know I should be explaining a bit more here but for some reason I draw a blank on him. I'll try and revisit later today to come up with a better answer on him. With that said I'm gonna have to pick up my torch on my best read. ##vote GlowingBear | ||
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On January 06 2016 04:21 Fecalfeast wrote: kmatt did I read somewhere that this is your first game? Correct. I played the SC2 Mafia custom to learn the rules but this is my first actual game. | ||
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So convinced I was scum yet so in denial of it. Unfortunately I won't be able to pull my newb card anymore but definitely looking forward to next game. Also props to DYH, solid advice. | ||
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On January 07 2016 21:28 nooniansoong wrote: Kmart I made a bad assumption that first game player couldn't make that megacase. I guess I wasn't accounting for the coach effect? Nm yeah.. I stopped looking at his posts critically because of two reasons. I assumed that only town had his type of analytical content. Although now that I think back it was more like high caliber nitpicking. Also his last scumgame sucked and His play this game was an astonomical jump, which made him being scum less likely in my mind. reee etc. I actually made the great wall by myself. The content of posts was all written by me, DYH was giving tips on things like when to be active and following up posts. | ||
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