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47 pages lol what is this day 1?
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looks like my counterpart was posting early on did we just afk randomly?
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On January 04 2016 07:58 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
looks like my counterpart was posting early on did we just afk randomly? Apparently he's in the ER =/ go catch up and do stuff. I can read you sorta well most games. Make my life a little easier pls.
I'm town no worries babe, I'm gonn assume this irish guy got NKed because he's pretty obviously town or he's a mastermind from another site
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page 15 and I'm bred of reading I have a couple posts that I didn't like but it'd be kinda silly to talk about shit that's probably been talked about already
so far I like NM(though he's pretty spammy which is annoying), kush, giygas
so far I don't like kmatt and fidei.
I have only looked at one filter which is kush's and from what I've seen of kush on this site and on OMGUS he can't really post the way he has been as mafia since he actually tried to get a towny lynched (onegu) rather than busing
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Wait who's the one who started the conversation about whether replacing is alignment indicative? that's scummy as fuck mod actions and replacements are not alignment indicative it's practically setup talk
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 29 2015 20:06 Fidei86 wrote:
Hi all. Not many people in this player list I know at all. I know NocturneMage (Alex) pretty well - been in two games with him. Also Scott, GB and Onegu, though I think I've only seen town Scott and Onegu. Everyone else is basically brand new to me.
Alex/NM's opening on me is the most NAI post I've ever seen - he and I always joke about lynching each other pre-game. I don't see how GB could have got anything from that post. GB have you played with NM before? The rest of GB's contributions are pretty ehhh as well. The only thing that sticks out to me is that the last time GB did a claim first post was Newbie XIV, where he was scum and claimed "not not doctor" or some such bullshit. Has anyone else noticed anything similar?
The thing that irks me about Alex/NM's play is always his tone. I usually think when people type too formally it's a Mafia tell, because they're the ones concerned about things being out of place. But with him, that's just how he is. Maybe it's a doctor thing? Content wise, I liked his post at #202. I don't think it makes Irish scum at all, but this is how Scott plays. His activity is always up and down, and he basically has a "see say" way of playing town. He also has played a lot with GB afaik. If anything, I'd give Scott a slight TR. Null on Alex/NM though.
Onegu has a horrible record of AFKing though D1 and then getting replaced. Ugh. I'm not going to hold my breath on that.
I'm not sure what to make of ShapeLog. For an experienced player, the fact that like 80% of his posts are totally off topic would be a major warning sign. But since he doesn't have all that many posts, it could be that he's just feeling comfortable in the thread. As someone who is literally terrified of posting whenever I roll mafia, this is pretty towny to me WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IT IS FUCKING ANNOYING AND SHITS UP THE THREAD WHICH IS VERY ANTI-TOWN. Ahem. Don't spam posts please people. On December 30 2015 01:40 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 01:35 Shapelog wrote:
Also people reaction times are already interesting enough. Like it took NM 5 mins to respond to it (although he was on before so idk) Might be my scrub showing, but I wouldn't think on that too much. Since we're on the internet, I would imagine people are bouncing between a couple of tabs before they come back to refresh this page. I know I often go back and review my own posts because I feel picky about sentence structure and grammar, etc. That really bothers me in this setup because I can't edit so if I post and see something I don't like, I'm forced to accept my repetitive structure or run-on sentence, etc. On December 29 2015 10:41 GiygaS wrote:
The joke was forced in that I wanted to post to say "I'm here" basically, but didn't really have much to say.
As for what I think about Irish, slight town lean. Only real suspicion is on GB atm for his very matter of fact town read (I agree with it to some extent but he was very confident in it so early which I thought was weird) and that weird first post. On December 29 2015 10:47 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 07:29 Irishbound wrote:
I can already tell my complete lack of meta or understanding of what happend in prior games you guys have played together is going to make it difficult to scumhunt and follow some conversations.
Know it's a weak thing but I'm leaning town on Noonian already, think scum would be less likely to be so brazen to make #62 and like his instant "That's anti-town to do" reaction towards Glowings statement.
I understand that we're meant to be voting in a separate thread to make it easier for the mod to tally up votes but I'd appreciate if everyone also posted here with their vote -- it'll make following the game and reading into context behind votes much easier than attempting to line up timestamps of when people voted in comparison to their thoughts/posts in here.
@Glowing - Who is this Kush you're voting? You're the quickest townread I have ever had! Hi! Welcome to the forums! Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax GB throwing out townreads like it's drunken Monday - hmmm... Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:52 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:What exactly you didn't like about their openings? I didn't like Scott bandwagoning with Nonians comment in #167, it's also a very easy way for scum to enter into the thread, quite a similar concern with Mdergs #168 although I have liked him prodding you about your town read on me. Do understand that Giygas accusation on Noonian in #172 was a joke but I find it's the type of statement that scum awkwardly make more often than town do, either way I think I'll be able to get a stronger read on the three of them as the day progresses. Okay, I'm extremely doubtful a newb mafia makes the post above with the information available. Maybe GB was right  You get a townlean for this Irish. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:08 NocturneMage wrote:Greetings everybody! We're going to start the day by getting rid of obvious scum. And by obvious scum, I mean the dota players. Because as we all know Dota is a shitty game played by shitty people so it's never too soon to start taking out the trash! ##vote Fidei86Fidei is the worst of them all, as he's openly admitted pre-game, he steals my wife on a regular basis playing dota with her in the evenings. After Fidei, we plow through Onegu who I understand plays with her on occassion and then we take out GlowingBear who has told me in a previous scum qt (newbie 13) that he wouldn't coach me because I'm a League player.  Welp. EZ game EZ lyfe get rekt scum. I could possibly jump on this - but it's a big bag of joke/null for now... Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:13 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:59 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:36 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Ah, that makes sense. Is there any one else here that is likely to referred to as a different name? And I'm guessing your vote on Noon is a jokeish vote in that case? Do you have any scum-reads at the moment? There's several peoples openings that I haven't particularly liked (Mderg, Scott & Giyga) but aren't confident if my issue with them is playstyle or alignment based yet. Nop. Just kush. Yeah, it's a joke to be fair we are kinda very "jokish" here in TL Mafia in the beginning of the games. We even call it "joke phase" No, I don't, these opens are basically not alignment indicatice (NAI) What exactly you didn't like about their openings? If this is jokephase I got one: What do you call a Zerg player that researched Chitinous Plating? + Show Spoiler +Promoted to diamond league It's funny because it happened to me and I felt validated but now I hear that ultras are OP and doubt myself. On second thought let's not tell jokes. As for openings, I only thought yours was fishy, but it's day one and you probably end up being more valuable alive since you're still likely town. Why am I likely town? Well just by probability there's a better chance of town than mafia. No real information to work off of yet. On December 29 2015 09:02 Irishbound wrote:
@Kmatt, what did you find fishy about Glowings opening? He seems to be working more on making a positive image of himself compared to everyone else. Made a lot of early posts like. On December 29 2015 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol did I? Anyway, you're now my buddy!!! On December 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:
100% true
##Vote: kush On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
You're the quickest townread I have ever had!
Hi! Welcome to the forums!
Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong.
Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax He just seems to be trying to be overly friendly and helpful compared to everyone else who seems to be content to wait for more information. Then again this is Newbie Student Mafia so being more friendly and helpful is to be expected (I think). No one else's first posts had much substance aside from how you were reading into it, but GB seems to be trying at getting his name out there in a positive light. I don't think that's nearly enough to convict someone, just trying to practice reading into posts. This Kmatt guy kind of does what I do - quote into notepad, post thoughts - I like this so far as well. I'll work on page 11 after the American Football game (or maybe halftime)
for the record in the first 15 pages these are posts I did not like. I saw NM commented on the scott catchup post so I again imagine these have been talked about
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On January 04 2016 06:22 mderg wrote:I'm fairly confident you're scum
I'm the laziest dude can you talk about this for me mderg? I'm sure you've talked about it already but it'd be a big help
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Noice what'd I do that's scummy?
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mderg I instantly had irish as town, too, though that can't be proven since a real person would have read the OP or something.
May I ask how he's using irish's death? Is he pushing a scum agenda with it?
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On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote...
GB doesn't apply to the 'too scummy to be scum' metric and I feel like you should know that. GB uses a lot of associative reads, was there anyone GB scumread on the scott wagon when he switched over?
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On January 04 2016 08:55 nooniansoong wrote:
FF if you are town shut the hell up I don't want to get nk. Thankfull NM is probably going to get nk instead.
I actually thought of that after lol
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Kush is literally ONLY capable of busing as scum he hates reading filters as scum and can't formulate a scumread on a towny without it having holes the size of something offensive in it. I am town, he scumreads my slot. He scumread Onegu.
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Based on what you guys are saying (without me reading) I am scumreading GB this game
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On January 04 2016 09:06 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote... GB doesn't apply to the 'too scummy to be scum' metric and I feel like you should know that. GB uses a lot of associative reads, was there anyone GB scumread on the scott wagon when he switched over? Except when it does? You have to remember the game that I helped win in triple lylo. Me, you, GB, Vonthin. GB looked soooooo bad the last few day phases, even hard towning and refusing to lynch the 2 scum we lynched. It took a massive case from me on Vonthin to get you 2 to vote Vonthin. I'm not saying its worth TRing him for but its something to keep in mind before scumreading him. And I'm sad you don't remember that =/
I don't remember a lot of things sorry
Was the reason he wouldn't vote vonthin based on someone he scumread voting vonthin?
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On January 04 2016 09:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 08:58 nooniansoong wrote:On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote... I'm not saying it makes him town, but GB voting scott because he had more of a TR on fidei than scott seems like it makes sense to me. THANK GOD SOMEONE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS Faith in mankind restored
Does me being 'confirmed town' make you upset?
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On January 04 2016 09:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 09:21 Fecalfeast wrote:On January 04 2016 09:19 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 08:58 nooniansoong wrote:On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote... I'm not saying it makes him town, but GB voting scott because he had more of a TR on fidei than scott seems like it makes sense to me. THANK GOD SOMEONE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS Faith in mankind restored Does me being 'confirmed town' make you upset? Why would it?
Just a cheeky rhetorical question
You might want to cool it on the mod action speculation though
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On January 04 2016 09:29 nooniansoong wrote:
@FF let me warn you that if you keep that meta read towards me I will be able to fool you very easily if I roll scum. I took a long hiatus from mafia and since I've returned I haven't rolled mafia. I think my mafia game would be a lot better these days.
That's fair It's also all I have to go on right now.
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Nope, you're totally correct about my alignment but I personally don't think using mod actions to determine alignments is good.
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I was getting the vibe you were protecting fidei but I'm so uninformed right now
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It's night phase correct? I'm gonna read later on there's not a whole lot but I'm binging on youtube videos right now
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On January 04 2016 09:46 nooniansoong wrote:
FF are you good at being mafia or do you suck?
I like to think I'm pretty good if I don't do stupid things.
I often do stupid things
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aw no posts in 2 hours I guess 50 pages in 2 full day phases should have tipped me off but this game is slow. I'll catch up when I get a few tokes in me at home
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scumreads after reading day 1: (I am on page 32 at the night post)
Fidei
mderg
GiygaS
TheCow
These are only scumreads born from the first day. Break time.
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Sorry for spam I didn't realize nobody would have posted since I left work
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
You guys talk more during day phases right?
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Kush why is my opening gambit as replaced scum to put both my teammates on my scumlist?
Right after you asked if I'm good at scum, too. Maybe you think busing is good, or at least you think that I think it's good since I said I think I'm pretty good.
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On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote:
I have re-read the game from the start (yay no work!) and here is where my head is at at the moment. The reads are generally ordered from towniest to scummiest.
Town
Irishbound - I liked that from the outset he considered a wide range of players (see #408). Although I am null-y on Scott, it is hard to fault Irish's reasoning. Moreover, the fact that he has been on Scott for his posts, rather than some of the other low activity players (eg Onegu, Gigya) suggests that he's scum-hunting rather than looking for an easy out. Finally, I thought that his read on me was honest and the fact that he asked Alex for guidance (at #416) felt like a genuine cry for help.
Shapelog - I really, really don't like Shape's approach to posting. Spam posting like he does is a pretty effective mafia tactic to confuse the thread and dissuade people from reading their filter. HOWEVER, I note that he had more than a page of filter in pre-game. Moreover, his posting has struck me more as someone who wants to play the game and is impatient with everyone else (see eg #232). That, to me, is something that a relatively new player would find difficult to replicate as mafia. I also liked him criticising GB for giving him a town read at #302 - as mafia it's much easier just to take the read and pocket it rather than challenge it. Finally, his list post at #448 covered all the bases for a town list post for me.
The Cow - I am a sucker for people who post infrequently but give detailed reads and thoughts. His read on me seemed very genuine and is actually something I agree with, in that I struggle to condense my thoughts down as far as I would like, and I tend to focus on ephemera (tone, overall posting strategy) rather than digging down into the weeds of detail. I like that he comes in with strong reads on Scott and Kmatt, then follows them up with helpful questions. I think most people (myself included) have been giving Irish a free-pass so far, so it's very useful to have someone sense-checking that as well.
Null
Mderg - I like his pressuring on Noon/Kush as well regarding D1. Someone said in the thread earlier that they lynch scum 60% of games D1. I don't think it's that high for me, but mderg is right that a successful d1 lynch for town reaaaaally fucks scum. He has a couple of short posts that give interesting insight (eg #376), but generally he seems pretty focussed on pushing his kush / GB association without looking wider than that.
Alex/NM - Alex pointed out in an earlier post that my read on Scott was based on playing with him only as town. Fair enough. My reads on Alex are coloured by the same thing - we've been town together twice. He is doing his usual prodding / poking and asking lots of questions. One concern I have is that I see the progression for his Scott read, and his GB read seems to be foreshadowed at #391, but I'm not sure he really has given any particular read on Kush/Noon to date? I agree with the read, but I'm not sure how he got there.
GB - I have played with GB a fair few times before, but he plays differently every time and I usually rely on others to give a good read on him. Here, he has really given out town reads with very little supporting evidence (he 'liked' Alex's opening at (#195), when that was a JOKE OPENING!), and then placed a vote on Kmatt without explanation (#333). As an experienced player, this sort of high-read / low-analysis approach would be easily explained as either lazy/distracted town or mafia. Someone said that GB is in another game at the moment, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. There are definitely better lynches today.
Kmatt - The big red flag for me here is what others have already pointed out - he seems very reluctant to give reads. That is understandable for a new player in his first game (#383). He does make an interesting point on GB that I kinda agree with (#197 - GB trying to buddy up to the thread). I think there are a lot of better lynches than Kmatt, but he's definitely someone to look back at if he doesn't start firming things up through D2.
Scott - This is ugh. I think I'm actually better qualified than most people to read Scott, given that we've played three games together and I have given him a lot of attention in each. Yes, he and I have been town in each. HOWEVER, as I said before he has a number of different playstyles that seem to accord to how busy he is. And this is probably a mean thing to say, but I don't think he switches it up to keep his meta clean and I'm not sure he could. All that said, his content is totally garbage. He has had garbage content before as town. His read on Noon ("why would he TR me going against thread sentiment") is utterly idiotic, mostly because at that point there wasn't much thread sentiment against Scott AND because Noon's read was obviously weak. I don't want to jump straight onto Scott today because I think there are better lynches, and because (unlike others) he is very capable of coming back into the thread and being useful.
Scum
Gigya - He has a filter almost totally devoid of reads. His one TR is Irish (#214) but at the same time in his post at #192 he actually says that as Irish is experienced, the post could have been faked. ???. He also suspects GB for his "matter of fact town read", even though he agrees with it? The only thing keeping this from moving into policy is that he has a couple of posts where he talks about non-game stuff (#225, #228). If you have time to do that, you have time to play as well. This is how newbie mafia play, imo.
Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content.
Policy
Onegu - Please all think of a world where we get to LYLO or LYLO-1 and Onegu still hasn't said anything, still hasn't been modkilled and still hasn't been lynched. He does this EVERY GAME HE PLAYS. And it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for town to win if it gets that far, because he is a total coin-flip and the easiest ML in the world. His content is totally absent.
I'm going to vote Gigya for now, but I'd consolidate onto Onegu or Kush if necessary later.
##Vote -- Gigya
re: why I'm scumreading fidei
Everything he posts reads like he's trying to justify his thoughts rather than actually develop reads.
Irish- "although I'm null-y on scott it's hard to fault his reasoning" Justifying a townread on someone scumreading a nullread? Seems paranoid
thecow- " I am a sucker for people who post infrequently but give detailed reads and thoughts." The first thing he writes about thecow as though he knows it's a weak read but then goes on to give multiple points about why he's town. Makes me think Fidei was thinking these reads up on the spot rather than having them prior to writing this post.
NM- "Alex pointed out in an earlier post that my read on Scott was based on playing with him only as town" the first thing on his mind is 'what does this guy think of me?' and it shows with that opening line
this is getting lame and I think I'm starting to look for evidence that fits my conclusion rather than using the evidence t ocome to my conclusion but it really feels like fidei is trying really hard to show where his reads are coming from, moreso than he's trying to show his reads, if that makes sense.
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I don't think GB and fidei would hard align like that as mafia buds though.
hm I guess I have more reading to do when I get to work today
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I haven't given shining a closer look tbh but thecow's earlygame posts felt REALLY REALLY meticulous and as a slob, anything that seems meticulous is suspicious
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I think I got caught up in 'fidei is scum -> this is why fidei is scum' rather than 'These things are scummy -> fidei is scum'
I was reading his post with the mindset that he is already scum
That said, I agree that fidei's reasons for townreading people are legit and you could call my read a toneread. To me it felt like, while fidei had real reasons to townread people, he spent more effort justifying why he had the read than I would have liked.
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you can defend yourself to me let me find the posts i didn't like
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On December 30 2015 10:13 mderg wrote:
Time for some sleep. I'm not sure what to think about Kmatt, gonna think about that until I'm back here.
You generated an entire page of what I would consider useless posts before this post. You never come back to kmatt and even go on to chastise GB for not talking about kmatt. This post also feels really out of place from mderg's obvious conversational style almost like someone in scum QT said he was shitting the thread.
On December 31 2015 05:33 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:54 Irishbound wrote:On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) Fair warning but if we lynch Scott today and he flips mafia like I expect he will then I'll probably voting you for this, the sheer amount you've now defended him and made it less likely that he gets lynched is baffling given your read on him. It makes no sense as a stance whatsoever and really does ignore what the issues with him really are, sure he his lesser activity may fall under his meta, him town reading Noon for the reasoning he does doesn't though and him calling me town due to being a "newb" similarly doesn't make sense. I'd say scott flipping town would make GB look worse. Strongly defending a townie based on nothing just screams too much information.
Setting up what if scott flips town even though before this you made your first real post about someone about scott being mafia.
On December 30 2015 23:01 mderg wrote:Went through scotts filter and realized that there was even less content than I thought. Only 2 posts really. + Show Spoiler +On December 29 2015 10:47 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 07:29 Irishbound wrote:
I can already tell my complete lack of meta or understanding of what happend in prior games you guys have played together is going to make it difficult to scumhunt and follow some conversations.
Know it's a weak thing but I'm leaning town on Noonian already, think scum would be less likely to be so brazen to make #62 and like his instant "That's anti-town to do" reaction towards Glowings statement.
I understand that we're meant to be voting in a separate thread to make it easier for the mod to tally up votes but I'd appreciate if everyone also posted here with their vote -- it'll make following the game and reading into context behind votes much easier than attempting to line up timestamps of when people voted in comparison to their thoughts/posts in here.
@Glowing - Who is this Kush you're voting? You're the quickest townread I have ever had! Hi! Welcome to the forums! Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax GB throwing out townreads like it's drunken Monday - hmmm... Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:52 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:What exactly you didn't like about their openings? I didn't like Scott bandwagoning with Nonians comment in #167, it's also a very easy way for scum to enter into the thread, quite a similar concern with Mdergs #168 although I have liked him prodding you about your town read on me. Do understand that Giygas accusation on Noonian in #172 was a joke but I find it's the type of statement that scum awkwardly make more often than town do, either way I think I'll be able to get a stronger read on the three of them as the day progresses. Okay, I'm extremely doubtful a newb mafia makes the post above with the information available. Maybe GB was right You get a townlean for this Irish. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:08 NocturneMage wrote:Greetings everybody! We're going to start the day by getting rid of obvious scum. And by obvious scum, I mean the dota players. Because as we all know Dota is a shitty game played by shitty people so it's never too soon to start taking out the trash! ##vote Fidei86Fidei is the worst of them all, as he's openly admitted pre-game, he steals my wife on a regular basis playing dota with her in the evenings. After Fidei, we plow through Onegu who I understand plays with her on occassion and then we take out GlowingBear who has told me in a previous scum qt (newbie 13) that he wouldn't coach me because I'm a League player. Welp. EZ game EZ lyfe get rekt scum. I could possibly jump on this - but it's a big bag of joke/null for now... Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:13 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:59 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:36 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Ah, that makes sense. Is there any one else here that is likely to referred to as a different name? And I'm guessing your vote on Noon is a jokeish vote in that case? Do you have any scum-reads at the moment? There's several peoples openings that I haven't particularly liked (Mderg, Scott & Giyga) but aren't confident if my issue with them is playstyle or alignment based yet. Nop. Just kush. Yeah, it's a joke to be fair we are kinda very "jokish" here in TL Mafia in the beginning of the games. We even call it "joke phase" No, I don't, these opens are basically not alignment indicatice (NAI) What exactly you didn't like about their openings? If this is jokephase I got one: What do you call a Zerg player that researched Chitinous Plating? + Show Spoiler +Promoted to diamond league It's funny because it happened to me and I felt validated but now I hear that ultras are OP and doubt myself. On second thought let's not tell jokes. As for openings, I only thought yours was fishy, but it's day one and you probably end up being more valuable alive since you're still likely town. Why am I likely town? Well just by probability there's a better chance of town than mafia. No real information to work off of yet. On December 29 2015 09:02 Irishbound wrote:
@Kmatt, what did you find fishy about Glowings opening? He seems to be working more on making a positive image of himself compared to everyone else. Made a lot of early posts like. On December 29 2015 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol did I? Anyway, you're now my buddy!!! On December 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:
100% true
##Vote: kush On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
You're the quickest townread I have ever had!
Hi! Welcome to the forums!
Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong.
Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax He just seems to be trying to be overly friendly and helpful compared to everyone else who seems to be content to wait for more information. Then again this is Newbie Student Mafia so being more friendly and helpful is to be expected (I think). No one else's first posts had much substance aside from how you were reading into it, but GB seems to be trying at getting his name out there in a positive light. I don't think that's nearly enough to convict someone, just trying to practice reading into posts. This Kmatt guy kind of does what I do - quote into notepad, post thoughts - I like this so far as well. I'll work on page 11 after the American Football game (or maybe halftime) In the first one he mentions GB's strange townread on Irish which isn't bad in itself. But the fact that I had done just that before and that he doesn't provide any follow up at all makes him look bad in my eyes. Then he townreads Irish and Kmatt with only vague reasoning, nothing worth mentioning. Also the strange "I could possibly jump on this". I have no idea where to put this. + Show Spoiler +On December 30 2015 14:21 scott31337 wrote:
So I have CPR and first aid training tomorrow morning so I have to get up early - I should be back on before EoD.
The thing that gets me is - why would noon have a town read on me and go against thread sentiment if he was mafia? What's the motivation - so he moves up for me.
Giygas's filter looks the worse - there's some SC stuff and nothing else - so I'm going to vote for him for now. In the second post he provides a weak defense of noon. I don't like it regardless of noon's alignment. Then he votes Giygas. I don't think this one is particularly scummy, it's just a vote based on the lack of actual content from Giygas. His own lack of content is not something that should be taken into account for this vote. I'd say he's pretty scummy and I'm gonna vote him for now because I'm not sure I can be back before the deadline and he looks like a good place to safely park my vote. ##vote scott
To me it seems weird to be talking about what if scott flips town after this.
Most of your posts this game have been replies to people talking about their reads. I'm not going to paste a bunch of random one liners here but I'm getting more about what you think of other people's reads than what you think of people. GB is scum but who else? Can you give me a list of people you think are scum please
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Why not try making one now?
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On January 05 2016 14:11 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 12:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 05 2016 07:52 Kmatt wrote:
You know I had my suspicions that Cow/Shining was blue but damn detective? We really needed that for the last days.
I was pretty skeptical about his sudden post and GiygaS' vote switch when GB was on the table but if Shining really was a blue, then the only scenario where GiygaS fits in as scum would be if they had planned to vote switch two off of GB (or one from another wagon to put it at 4-5) at the last minute and Shining did half the work for them. I'm willing to put away that crackpot theory for the time being, which leaves us with...
Shapelog/FecalFeast: Shape was dubious at best before, but a lot of my grievances with him was his sudden disappearance. Now that we know about the surgery and FF's activity so far I'll peg him as town.
GiygaS: While that voteswitch was sketchy, Shining did have a point, and he clearly wasn't trying to trick anyone. Outside of my crackpot theory I've not a lot of reason reason to suspect him. Slight town.
NocturneMage: My safest townread second only to Cow/Shining. I'll give his filter the once-over since there's been a lot out of him to be sure, but so far I have no complaints against him. Town.
Fidei: I don't like how inactive he's been, but that's been the case for three townies so far (Scott, Onegu, and TheCow were all afk early on and they've all flipped town). However, if he doesn't come in with some solid scumreads today I'm gonna have a problem here. Slight scum.
GlowingBear: I don't really buy or even get that explanation for the Scott vote and there's been a lot of anti-town posting
coming from him. Especially considering how few players are left, I can't really see a scenario where he's not scum. Unless someone can show me solid evidence that there's a better shot in someone else I'm keeping my vote right here.
Scum.
I have to run out so I can't finish my bit on mderg and kush. Why did you think the cow was blue? The way he was questioning me when I had a wagon going even though I was already voted on led me to believe that he was considering Vig shotting me. Obviously we know that's not the case, but it could have been that he scanned me night one. That would explain why he didn't bother questioning me much after that initial quizzing.
lol this is the kinda silly stuff I like do you really think this?
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Right and it felt like the response was setting up a town flip but I can see it being purely a response to irish speculating on a mafia flip...
I don't want to put effort into my reads kush come on
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Christ I have big spammy shoes to fill was shape the only thing keeping this game moving?
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GB can you list me the scummers then so I don't have to do anything?
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kmatt did I read somewhere that this is your first game?
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Well keep up the good work, then. The only way I could accept that you're scum is if you have the dopest scum coach of all time
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On January 06 2016 04:30 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
Right and it felt like the response was setting up a town flip but I can see it being purely a response to irish speculating on a mafia flip...
I don't want to put effort into my reads kush come on To me it seems contradictory that #1 you dont want to put in effort and #2 you complain about the game not being active enough.
That does seem contradictory doesn't it?
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On January 06 2016 04:44 GlowingBear wrote:
People, stop talking about coaches, it is against the rules of the newbie games
You mentioned them just as much as I did
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Other than the weird, totally not GB-like, voting with his scumread I think GB looks towny enough. So no, I'm not going to hop on the GB train until someone dunks him with a case. My initial scumread on GB was based solely on his vote and is really my only reason to be scumreading him.
This is hardly a wagon, anyway.
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so the only person who hasn't made any posts this day phase is mderg who totally bailed after I started asking him stuff.
##vote mderg
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On January 06 2016 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Other than the weird, totally not GB-like, voting with his scumread I think GB looks towny enough. So no, I'm not going to hop on the GB train until someone dunks him with a case. My initial scumread on GB was based solely on his vote and is really my only reason to be scumreading him.
This is hardly a wagon, anyway.
it's totally a wagon now that I actually look at the voting thread.
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but it's literally in his diagram
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wait wtf he had like 0 minutes to dwitch when giygas voted....
yeah gb might be town
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ew fidei stop that
you're scum for no good reasons, remember?
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The main reason i had him as scum was he stayed on onegu while his scumread gigyas voted onegu too. The timing means gb had little time to move if any at all so my reason for scumming hin is invalid
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oh neat i don't have to catch up
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Damn only 1 correct scumread and i was losing it oh well
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kmatt could have taken me to final 3 and I would have lynched anyone else
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On January 10 2016 00:48 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 15:24 geript wrote:On January 09 2016 12:38 Onegu wrote:On January 09 2016 03:04 Half the Sky wrote:
Welcome back Shapelog, I hope you are well.
James, I think I'm just going to say something to you I've always said, and ritoky and a few others say, mafia is a team game. Everyone has to play their role and work with each other. You lot strategised very well, and as Mage even said in the qt itself, disruption was needed in mylo and you ran it very well.
Don't sell yourself short. <3
Even if you were bussed, it would have appeared that a plan was behind it and associative reads were being made away from your teammates.
Not everyone can "carry" town or mafia. Even DYH told you in that qt you need to aim for different objectives to disassociate and you did what was needed. Only onegu is the hard carry. If only people learned to listen to him what a world it would be. Hard carries can hard carry a game and use their influence to push through lynches. You didn't seem to even garner votes to your cause. This isnt true, when your supports dont follow you and you try to 5v1 you still lose. Not my fault the supports dont understand the game.
You sound like everyone who was stuck in 1400MMR in HoN
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EPT
