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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
Eh idc. If u really think that was a scumslip then lynch me. OR, do the honorable thing (*cough* Onegu) and read my post, make a case, and whammy! You can lynch me. U have to put in the effort Onegu, otherwise one day if i am scum i will win  . Also i enjoy a good hunt  | ||
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nooniansoong
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On January 01 2016 02:01 Onegu wrote: also shape wasnt talking about me On December 30 2015 01:40 Shapelog wrote: Onegu questions! Onegu, what do you think about the game so far? Onegu, why do you think that? Onegu, any scum leans? Onegu, are u going to notice me senpai? Since asking questions doesn't make u read me. Only when i threaten u. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
First this whole scumslip business, I still have no idea what you people are looking for or looking at. Onegu, Fidei gave context to how he was reading you, even if the read was ON you, I tried to look for examples using search where people are either making interpretations of these things and of these things as either alignments and the interpretations from both alignments seem to be all over the place. I'm with Noon with how is Shape scum independent of the scumslip (based on how you phrased post 667), and how is reading you MORE of a scumslip than not reading you? Scumslips - being misused or misinterpreted by townies on townies http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=75#1493 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=214#4276 Actual scumslip - read wasn't even made on a person http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=80#1582 No I don't have an example here where scumslips were misused by mafia on townies, but I imagine that there have to have been scenarios where this has happened. Point is, absent a secondary argument (yes I am aware Noon has one which is something I'll read when I re-examine filters) beating scumslips out of proportion if town (as demonstrated in the examples above) can be unreliable at best and scummy at worst. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
(1) the quick town read on Irish (2) his scumreading/pushing you Or was there more than that? That was all I could garner from your filter. Did you have any comments to make regarding his engagement with his scumreads? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 01 2016 13:56 nooniansoong wrote: happy new years all. good to have you back shape. +1 Welcome back and I hope you are recovering well. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 01 2016 13:49 Shapelog wrote: idk i read his filter when i catch up if i feel like it tonight. And just saw scott got lynched.......And no one else voted for kush. Eh shapelog Vs Kush rule must happen. I'm confused by this? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 01 2016 14:19 NocturneMage wrote: Also Onegu, is your case against GB boiling down to: (1) the quick town read on Irish (2) his scumreading/pushing you Or was there more than that? That was all I could garner from your filter. Did you have any comments to make regarding his engagement with his scumreads? EBWOP - alright I saw posts 652 and 653. Have most players who have tried to metaread you typically been scum? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 31 2015 23:32 GlowingBear wrote: I don't believe in scumslips, I've quoted that because I find hard to believe Onegu would see a slip from fidei but wouldn't from Shapelog. To add to that, he said "then shape is Mafia too" but just forgot about that and now he is only scum reading me and Fidei I didn't actually play in Nutcracker, but seeing that Onegu didn't play in Nutcracker do you think it's possible or believeable the Shapelog scumslip would have just gone over his head? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 01 2016 14:36 NocturneMage wrote: I didn't actually play in Nutcracker, but seeing that Onegu didn't play in Nutcracker do you think it's possible or believeable the Shapelog scumslip would have just gone over his head? Wait, ignore post 691. I stand corrected. Onegu smurfed that game. That completely negates my last question. That slip/criteria for slip probably should have jumped out at him since it was a game he played in. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Looking at this case - the Onegu bashing/policy lynches is something Fidei has done as both alignments and in pre and post-games. So to me that is NAI. Regarding the reads on GigyaS, "a filter that is almost entirely devoid of reads".....for someone that has been relatively inactive that could go either way. The bolded that I have for GigyaS read looks reasonable enough to scum for unless you are arguing that he's taking those posts out of context in which case I will go back and mark those pages to read around the filters. The Noon read is actually slightly more concerning to me because the "possibly jump" part I think you even disclaimed that it was a shitty read/criteria (paraphrasing) and it would seem to me that mafia would try and hide that. "Woe is me/Day 1".....I remember you getting off a great scumread in Dark Tournament on the player both DoYouHas and myself eventually got lynched (Half the Sky) and considering Fidei was also in that game - I replaced in, so I know -, do you think it's completely unreasonable for him to scumread you when you were clearly more productive in that game, contrasting to here where you go for the straight policy lynch? Sheeping GB onto KMatt? Wait.....didn't you argue against that? Or at least accuse GB of misinterpreting? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote: Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content. Can you explain this? (bolded) If you read Noon's filter carefully you will see subsequent pushback. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
scum is in irish gigyas mderg onegu. I've given varying degrees of townreads to everyone else. Irish seems like a dude who would make a very townie looking scum. I find the reasoning behind his scumreads/townreads to be unbelievable. I know a statement like that is worthless without backing it up with specifics but that's not happening right now. If he dies, which he very well might if he's town, then that would be work wasted if I post reasons now. gigyas. all honesty i can't read this guy for shit. He seems scummy to be even when he's town. Dunno but his play seems like it has no creative thought behind it or anything to indicate towniness. No offense gigas I didn't mean that as an insult. mderg. Always taking the side of you'd think the townie would take: Hard against policy lynches for example. Seems like an upright citizen townie, but his towniness is very surface level. onegu- really wasn't satisfied with his respond to GB's recent questioning of him. Nothing townie in his filter. Looks like he found something he could call a scumslip then relied on that for a reasoning behind his vote. With no thought to "is it really a scumslip?" "did shape scumslip as well?" etc. These reads are all pretty shit. I'll verify them and stress them out during d2. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On January 01 2016 14:59 NocturneMage wrote: Looking at this case - the Onegu bashing/policy lynches is something Fidei has done as both alignments and in pre and post-games. So to me that is NAI. Regarding the reads on GigyaS, "a filter that is almost entirely devoid of reads".....for someone that has been relatively inactive that could go either way. The bolded that I have for GigyaS read looks reasonable enough to scum for unless you are arguing that he's taking those posts out of context in which case I will go back and mark those pages to read around the filters. The Noon read is actually slightly more concerning to me because the "possibly jump" part I think you even disclaimed that it was a shitty read/criteria (paraphrasing) and it would seem to me that mafia would try and hide that. "Woe is me/Day 1".....I remember you getting off a great scumread in Dark Tournament on the player both DoYouHas and myself eventually got lynched (Half the Sky) and considering Fidei was also in that game - I replaced in, so I know -, do you think it's completely unreasonable for him to scumread you when you were clearly more productive in that game, contrasting to here where you go for the straight policy lynch? Sheeping GB onto KMatt? Wait.....didn't you argue against that? Or at least accuse GB of misinterpreting? You realize I was mislynched d1 in dark tournament.. so I couldn't have been that productive lol. I didn't sheep GB onto Kmatt. Actually I townread him eventually. Right then I did I quick read of his filter and understood how someone could think it would be scummy. I was interested in if GB had any not obvious idea of why Kmatt was scummy. That would give me a townread on GB. If someone has a scumread based on reasoning I find interesting or didn't think of, I townread them for that usually. GB's scumread was actually not really different from the reasonings I was expecting. Although I later townread GB for other reasons. Specifically his scumslip point against Onegu (and other stuff maybe? dont remember). I hope you can read this post lol. Gnight now. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On December 31 2015 04:18 GiygaS wrote: Just want to say I'm still reading. There's a lot. As of post 443 I'd lynch scott (for basically everyone else's posts on him plus his weird last post, he still hasn't shown up even though he had very good irl reasons to be available), kmatt (his lynch target on me seems like parrotting other players, among other things), and gb in that order How was kmatt parroting? He voted for gb who has no other votes... How is paroting lynch target Scummy? It's called consolidation. In this post you say you would lynch Scott for everyone else's posts. Isn't that parroting lynch targets? | ||
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kitaman27
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Onegu
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