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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 22:14 GMT
#641
We have a result of 6-3-1-1.

I'd say most likely 2 mafia on the Scott wagon.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 22:23 GMT
#642
Looking at the off-wagon people....their being afk (KMatt and Shapelog in particular as they were unable to push their reads due to work/emergency) is NAI. Cow was in the process of reassessing when he disappeared 15+ hours ago but who knows the reason. The reasoning up to then was towny.

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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 22:26 GMT
#643
Alright, let me clear my head a bit and then I'll return and reassess.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 30 2015 22:31 GMT
#644
NM I've asked that because in early day1 you said Irish was a scumlean but he completely disappeared from your radar since that time
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 22:37 GMT
#645
On December 31 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:
NM I've asked that because in early day1 you said Irish was a scumlean but he completely disappeared from your radar since that time


I know I had an issue with him about the anti-town stuff, but that concern was resolved. Since then I had no reason to take issue with him. The way he had been ferretting things out to me looked towny.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 22:38 GMT
#646
On December 29 2015 10:08 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 09:47 Irishbound wrote:
@NM - I am well aware of the definition of "Anti-Town", what I liked was the speed of Noons reaction towards Glowings comment (The difference between it being posted and his response was 1 minute) which fits more with a natural townie reaction towards the comment being "That's going to hurt us" one and while I don't doubt that it's fake-able for mafia to do that I just find that mafia are more likely to think through the post or it's consequences more there. Again it's not a strong town read but out of everything that had occurred at the time it's only town read I had.


Alright, I see what you mean by the timestamps, I can accept this explanation, fair enough.


At GB - I assume this is what you were referencing.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 30 2015 22:45 GMT
#647
Actually this:

On December 29 2015 09:23 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 07:29 Irishbound wrote:
I can already tell my complete lack of meta or understanding of what happend in prior games you guys have played together is going to make it difficult to scumhunt and follow some conversations.

Know it's a weak thing but I'm leaning town on Noonian already, think scum would be less likely to be so brazen to make #62 and like his instant "That's anti-town to do" reaction towards Glowings statement.

I understand that we're meant to be voting in a separate thread to make it easier for the mod to tally up votes but I'd appreciate if everyone also posted here with their vote -- it'll make following the game and reading into context behind votes much easier than attempting to line up timestamps of when people voted in comparison to their thoughts/posts in here.

@Glowing - Who is this Kush you're voting?


Alright so starting off, I'm not sure I agree with this read and some of this boils down to the definition of anti-town.

Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 07:04 nooniansoong wrote:
On December 29 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I wanted to be blue so much


it's so anti-town to claim vt


The use of "anti-town" here could be coming from either alignment, when anti-town is considered to mean not just scummy, but possibly also from town not acting in the best interest of town. Any VT (when referencing GB's comment) saying "I wish I was blue" can be considered anti-town because one can make the argument that claiming VT narrows down the field for mafia to find who the blue(s) are. So this can be considered anti-town (not in the best interest) even if the comment is coming from town. To this end, and seeing that Irishbound is an experienced mafia player, it's safe to say this comment should not have warranted the town read that he gave him. To me, this read should have been null at best, as I feel a comment like this could come from either alignment.

On this alone, that's a scumlean, but I'll continue through the rest of the thread.

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Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 31 2015 01:40 GMT
#648
Oh fuck sake, not what I wanted to see on my lunch break.

Going to try and use the next 48 hours to reread and reasses.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 01:50 GMT
#649
On December 31 2015 10:40 Irishbound wrote:
Oh fuck sake, not what I wanted to see on my lunch break.

Going to try and use the next 48 hours to reread and reasses.


what does that do to your 60% statistic?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
December 31 2015 11:51 GMT
#650
On December 31 2015 07:14 NocturneMage wrote:
We have a result of 6-3-1-1.

I'd say most likely 2 mafia on the Scott wagon.



Names are GB and Fword dude
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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 11:55 GMT
#651
I find it strange that shape was involved in an almost d1 mislynch of me in nutcracker, but he had no qualms about voting me here
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 31 2015 13:38 GMT
#652
On December 31 2015 20:51 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 07:14 NocturneMage wrote:
We have a result of 6-3-1-1.

I'd say most likely 2 mafia on the Scott wagon.



Names are GB and Fword dude

Where did your GB scum-read come from?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
December 31 2015 13:56 GMT
#653
On December 31 2015 04:11 Onegu wrote:
Also meta doesnt work on me GB you have played with me long enough to know this. I purposely change how I play both alignments periodically so I cant be meta read. And the fact that you are trying to meta read me is complete garbage.

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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
December 31 2015 13:56 GMT
#654
Also a bunch of small things./
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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 14:09 GMT
#655
On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Onegu
(Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler]
On December 29 2015 07:06 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 07:05 scott31337 wrote:
On December 29 2015 07:04 nooniansoong wrote:
On December 29 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I wanted to be blue so much


it's so anti-town to claim vt


I agree with the stone man here. Haven't you learned yet Bear?

He might need another mislynch......
[/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight)



Meta is only one part of his case. Onegu, I don't think you can be suspicious of him for not knowing you as well as you know yourself.

As for the rest of the case, I agree with GB. Shape's scumslip seems scummier than fidei's. Onegu, did you not read that, did you miss it, or do you disagree?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 14:11 GMT
#656
Just to clarify the context:
GB was mislynched d1 in Nutcracker.
Shape was joke threatening him with "another mislynch."
Why does he assume it will be a mislynch this time?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 14:17 GMT
#657
@GB if you think the scumslip is a legitimate why do you have a weak townread on shape?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 31 2015 14:32 GMT
#658
On December 31 2015 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:
@GB if you think the scumslip is a legitimate why do you have a weak townread on shape?


I don't believe in scumslips, I've quoted that because I find hard to believe Onegu would see a slip from fidei but wouldn't from Shapelog.

To add to that, he said "then shape is Mafia too" but just forgot about that and now he is only scum reading me and Fidei
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 31 2015 14:35 GMT
#659
In other words: if I think someone saying a player is a mislynch is Mafia, he either scum read every player that slips or he doesn't scumread anyone. The double standards shows that Onegu doesn't really believe what he is saying. Therefore, he is actively trying to lynch someone under the basis of something he doesn't really believe it makes someone Mafia.
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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 14:45 GMT
#660
GB where did he say "then shape is mafia too"
he said he doesn't read shape. Do you think he's lying? I can understand him not reading shape.

ONEGU is shape mafia too due to the scumslip?
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