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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote: The fact that they have to discuss things and the fact that they appear to be having genuine conversations with one another regarding their recollections of my meta. I love this part of the hydra read If you could lynch someone right now who would it be? | ||
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Damdred
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If Marv is mafia its probably greymist his partner maybe rels he likes to bus | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:56 Damdred wrote: Marv, no other way around it today. If Marv is mafia its probably greymist his partner maybe rels he likes to bus Yep I think marv is the lynch. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. The second thing is Ryan's long awaited analysis of himself, not to be one who disappoints: I am slightly suspicious of Ryan. Here is my reasoning: First I will say that, while I find some conduct of Ryan suspicious, this results from inconsistencies in his behavior. I thought a lot of what he was doing seemed towny, however there are a few things that give me pause. The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. Finally, I thought back to Ryan's other posts. They all seemed very towny so I thought to myself: "maybe I'm just chainsaw ing Ryan here, creating a read on him out of spite." Then I noticed 2 minor things which makes me think, perhaps, he could be mafia. First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. Finally, Ryan asking my read of him. This strikes me as odd as well because it appears as though he wants to draw some early fire for an easy opportunity to defend himself through activity. A question like "why didn't you analyze me?!" Has bearing on day 2, but not a quarter into day 1 when information is still being processed. There are my current thoughts, more to come. | ||
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Damdred
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
allowing essentially a no lynch day 1 with information. Option number 2 is to let the mod kill happen, and go for double. Don't know how you all feel about either option, Something to Regard if people start getting strong feelings about someone . | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On December 13 2015 09:55 GreYMisT wrote: Also, here is some more food for thought. According to the post Marv will be mod killed if he fails to vote. This means we lay before us a choice. Option 1 is to vote Marv, allowing essentially a no lynch day 1 with information. Option number 2 is to let the mod kill happen, and go for double. Don't know how you all feel about either option, Something to Regard if people start getting strong feelings about someone . Why are you deflecting the decision making onto others here? Do you not have your own opinion on what we should do in this situation? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote: First I will say that, while I find some conduct of Ryan suspicious, this results from inconsistencies in his behavior. I thought a lot of what he was doing seemed towny, however there are a few things that give me pause. The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. I never said there could not be scum between them. I said i think there is no way BOTH of the scum are between them. I provided analysis on why i reached to the conclusion. I am not arbitary putting people into categories, if you think my analysis is incorrect, please argue about why they are incorrect instead of just creating a narrative on the conclusion. The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. I am not saying it is certain you are mafia. In fact i am far more sure of marv being scum at this point based purely on the fact that he well knows the game has started and has decided to not post anything at all. The conclusion that at least one of you / marv has to be mafia for me is completely logical based on the analysis on other people -- basically it is due to PoE. Again, if you do not agree with this, please point out where i am wrong in my analysis. Then we have something to argue about. Tbf, you can't just say something is scummy / wrong without actually explaining why it is that way. I feel like i have provided my thought process behind every conclusion i have made in this game -- so it would only be natural for you to actually try to disprove my conclusions if you attack my arguments, no? Finally, I thought back to Ryan's other posts. They all seemed very towny so I thought to myself: "maybe I'm just chainsaw ing Ryan here, creating a read on him out of spite." Then I noticed 2 minor things which makes me think, perhaps, he could be mafia. First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. Again, i have already said why i think this is the case. Why is my (and Damdred's) "jump" on Rels "rushed and oppertunistic". I found out Rels' thought process illogical and the things he posted didn't match up with the conclusions he ended up with. I wanted him to elaborate further, and i don't think "that going nowhere" is my fault, since Rels' answer was basically "yeah that's what i think". Finally, Ryan asking my read of him. This strikes me as odd as well because it appears as though he wants to draw some early fire for an easy opportunity to defend himself through activity. A question like "why didn't you analyze me?!" Has bearing on day 2, but not a quarter into day 1 when information is still being processed. There are my current thoughts, more to come. In my opinion this has bearing when you analyze every single other player who has posted that far in the game. I consider it weird because if you are mafia you would either: 1) correctly call me town -- in which case it hinders your mislynch possibilities 2) incorrectly call me mafia -- in which case your logic is not sound in the first place and someone can catch you for it Furthermore at some point you were saying you didn't have a read on me. But around half of your case (idk.. is this a case?) is based on the timeline when you didn't have a read on me, and is also basically based on everything i did during that time.. How is it possible both of your statements are correct? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On December 13 2015 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: DarthPunk are you still around? Yeah but I'm about to go to bed. What's up? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Not everything he has posted really makes sense, but he is aggressive and is able to change tack really quickly. I also kinda like the dissonance between what he is saying and where he is voting. Like that is something really obvious that scum would avoid IMO and reads like someone who does not give a fuck. Does not give a fuck = Good I mean like, what do these things mean: "like the dissonance between what he is saying and where he is voting" and " reads like someone who does not give a fuck" Have you seen Rels' scumplay? | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
marvellosity (2): Rels, DarthPunk Not voting (5): raynpelikoneet, RtaniSoul, marvellosity, Damdred, GreYMisT Currently, marvellosity is set to be lynched. Deadline is Sunday, Dec 13 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 12 2015 23:18 Rels wrote: Another thing from DP I don't like. He says "rayn is town"; nobody questions him about it; 6 minutes later after rayn ignores this post, he posts an explanation. I could see him being scum waiting for someone to ask for his explanation, then posting it anyway. On December 12 2015 23:24 Rels wrote: I think GM is town. I think townies are more likely to admit they don't have an opinion on several people. Rels do you seriously think these are good basis for reads? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:18 DarthPunk wrote: Just my posting style. I post in bits. Although I like the pressure. Keep it up! rayn can you confirm this is usual so I don't have to meta him ? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On December 13 2015 19:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Where is your read on Rels really based on? I mean like, what do these things mean: "like the dissonance between what he is saying and where he is voting" and " reads like someone who does not give a fuck" Have you seen Rels' scumplay? No I have not seen his scum play. It is based on him not giving a fuck what he looks like. I think that is a townie trait more than a scum trait. | ||
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