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/In However I strongly advise against the framer being able to frame himself you are basically giving mafia two godfathers to a certain extent. But that's just imo | ||
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On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote: Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia? My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me. | ||
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On December 14 2015 08:29 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote: On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote: On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote: Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this? Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia? My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me. Good. Now can you tell me who else is mafia with you? You obviously! Though shape is a good chance at town | ||
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Tt I think ls is town should I get my head checked? | ||
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1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta. In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks. 2) you say my post is terrible because you read koshi on his d1. Though you correct yourself by saying I said 24 hours. In actuality I a aid we shouldn't bother koshi so that we can see what he comes up with. Since you know he said he would focus on cases and finding scum instead of spamming the thread. ....like I said give koshi space and some time see what he comes up with. | ||
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However I've had a bad day at work and got home an hour late so I'm showering and sleeping bye. | ||
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On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please? I'm a bit behind tbh but my initial gut was town on Tt other idk yet | ||
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I think the scum reads on him are pretty shoddy or come from a lack of understanding of ls, if he is scum it would be for different reasons which he doesn't meet yet. | ||
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give me three filters to read and I'll find acum if there is between them! Besides ls, koshi they are hard town reads atm. | ||
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ok so i need to know who to go on. Koshi who do i vote or who has the better chance | ||
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he's also trying to use more bullshit reasons and instead of trying to push what he thinks he is taking the path of least resistance. ie instead of pushing me jumped on kush. idk if kush is scum granted but its suspicious of rels. | ||
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Your case is bs though | ||
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I'll have to look st context tommorow then see what happened. I can't lead a lynch this far behind in an hour. So I see people want me, GB or kush correct | ||
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I'll take the blame but if myself, koshi, tt, GB switch vivax has a real shot at being lynched | ||
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However I will put some form of concerted effort forward to uphold my reputation. And to the person who say damdred is always scum if he's alive after d4 I hate to tell you this I don't have a very good record of being shot for some reason. Also calling my try to shenanigan away from the current lymch brain dead is incorrect. I have been in plenty of moves that take less time than 4 minutes sometimes 50 seconds is all you need especially with a full game. However rels what question am I missing or have missed? Vivax is obvious scum at this point or at least should be ashwd of himaelf if town. | ||
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On December 17 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: Most of your reasoning is bullshit meta that doesn't make anyone scum obviously. and I mean this the most lovable way possible as I love rels | ||
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Currently I have only focused on hard town reads/or attempting to add to some form of town circle. Here is where I am at in regards to that. Town: Damdred LS Koshi Shade Feels like town spirit Kush Rels So I have 5 people I want to reread and look into current the tube, Tt (previous town lean on), vivax, gig and one other I can't remember who but I'll read them to. Now any questions before I filter dive my fab five (which btw koshi worries me the most in town circle but I'm not quite to paranoid land yet) and I'm pretty sure vivax is the best vote today. | ||
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On December 18 2015 08:37 Shapelog wrote: Damred have you read the KubRels vs Koshius and Shapanders case with refree guess star TS and Kush-lush-fush yet? If not your way behind kiddo Yes Rels looked like his town self. | ||
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1) Mafia as a whole have a great sense of wanting to keep good apperances in thread. This comes from muddying pushing somewhat easy lunches avoiding hot topics. Most of this comes from not wanting to disturb waters and draw attention. That being said, as scum Rels has a great tendency to play towards that regard. If you look at sotw 2 where Rels was scum you will see how Rels is involved in the thread but loves to get closer to highly regarded town players.he did this with rayn, he's clearly today at least not really interested in that. 2) As town Rels is sorta a rayn lite, he will bmp you again and again especially if he thinks you age wrong or scum reading him incorrectly. 3) he seems to not really being playing to survive but seems to be trying to find scum even if he does piggy back on others ideas. Which news flash isn't scum or town oriented. Plus sick move analysis seems to suggest Rels is town meh. | ||
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Koshi is he'll bent on Damdred and Rels are 100% mafia together. Kush might be mafia maybe most likely. Damdred is scum because he saved kush from lynch and it makes kush his partner. Now this in some regards is decent analysis. There could be a direct link between kush and myself. The proper answer is to resolve kush alignment (which I think is town) I gb and kush are both town the likely hood that I'm scum is pretty much nill as I wouldn't dare so much attention to myself. If kush is scum I'm more likely scum if I'm town it has no real bearing on kush alignment. | ||
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Any other action on your part is idiotic to a degree and people who follow you must be slower than usual this game. | ||
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The correct answer is town do weird things all of the time because shenanigans or failed ones happen all of the time. Town don't care about the light mafia do for the most part. And koshi uses the it was important for town progression that gb or kush was lynched, that's beyond stupid since one of then was lynched. Please lynch me,this phase | ||
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On December 18 2015 14:02 Tictock wrote: Humm, so reading through Rels filter again he's been fairly aggressive this game. I like some of the pushes and questions he asks early on (several of them were questions I had reading through the game as well). I kinda gave him a pass based on some of this early activity and the fact that he wasn't really trying to buddy anyone or lead the thread like I've seen him do as scum. His first list post seems odd to me, like it's a pile of unfounded townreads. Show nested quote + On December 16 2015 05:26 Rels wrote: Reading the thread I had these as town Town LS Shape sukrit Maybe town Koshi ritoky I would lynch TT Damdred or TS right now. giygas wasn't as bad as I thought. The others I have no idea atm. LS is his top town based off the meta that LS never uses Caps as scum. This is the first time Rels mentions Shape and Sukrit(Onegu). The Koshi read is a bit odd too here, because Rels last post to Koshi was this Show nested quote + On December 15 2015 19:07 Rels wrote: On December 15 2015 19:04 Koshi wrote: I haven no clue on how good Damdred can read LS. I also don't give a fuck about it. He can be wrong. 1) Weak that you lose your suspicion of LS due to 1 capslock sentence. But I can see it possible coming from town Rels after waking up. 2) I really don't see how it makes him mafia. GaygiS Khan never claimed he is certain you are mafia, he admits it is a bit of a pressure vote as well. You are/ were not a bad place to put a pressure vote on. I liked the play. Well you should appreciate the pressure back when all he had to show for rereading the game and filters was one case that was wrong. Or you're scum with him. After that Rels is more focused on Me and Damdred, and then suddenly Koshi is probably town? I suppose Rels never actually accused Koshi of being scum, just implied he might be, but I can see a tr like this coming from a scum!Rels wanting Koshi to back off. Rit is probably the read that makes the most sense here since Rels has been agreeing with his case on me and Rels questioned Rit on a few points. It's interesting then that Rit ends up last on this list then. A post like this is pretty meaningless, since it's just a list of people with no reasons, besides those I can assume. It's also a nice post to make as scum since it makes it look like you are trying to get townreads but unfounded reads like these are really easy to flip later on. It's also really Ironic that Rels made this post after scumreading Damdred for doing the same thing. Show nested quote + On December 16 2015 05:20 Rels wrote: I think Damdred is scum. Damdred is not invested in the game, which is already a big indicator. Damdred usually plays D1 by finding townreads, and lynching the one not in his town list. Here I have the distinct impression he tried to replicate that but failed. He has a couple of easy townreads that are not mostly based on nothing: Overall though I feel like Rels was rather involved with EoD. This is actually an interesting post because if Rels is scum he knows that Rit is town here, which if Rels is pushing a town!Damdred might be a risky move. Rit and Damdred used to be known for having a strong Soul read on each other, Rit even mentioned it himself. So if scum!Rels were trying to push a ML here he probably wouldn't want to get Rit's input. This probably sounds like a load of WIFOM, but I think it's actually somewhat solid. I also don't think it makes any sense for Rels and Damdred to both be scum here, there was no reason for Rels to make a case on Damdred after asking this: Show nested quote + On December 16 2015 05:00 Rels wrote: yo I'm there, we shoudl consolidate. Why are people voting for people ? TT I know why and I agree. GB are the things on the others ? Also Rels voted for Kush and it looked very likely that Kush was going to be lynched, if we are going down the road of scum!Damdred voted Vivax to protect Kush then there is absolutly no way that Rels is scum with him. So 100% Rels and Damdred are never scum together this game This gets me to Rel's response to Tube's case. This post might be huge but for clarity here are the posts I'm reffering too: Tube's Post#719 with his Rels read + Show Spoiler + Rel's Response(#724) to the case + Show Spoiler + The first part is about Rel's LS read, which I agree is a weak read. However, the way Tube talks about Rels backing off from the fight feels wrong. There wasn't a fight at all, LS posted all caps in response to Damdred and Rels used the meta read that LS never does that as mafia to tr him there. Now I think that's a bad reason to think LS is town, I mean how hard is it to hold the SHIFT key or tap Caps Lock and go "WTF?!? WHY YOU DO THAT!?!?!?"? I think it was Kush who pointed out that scum!Rels prob wouldn't flip LS to town so easly, and give up on mislynching him. While that is a decent line of thinking I can also see Scum!Rels make the meta read on LS, then see the caps and think "Shit now meta points to town" and quickly flip his read. Humm I think I see what Tube was getting at with this LS read, but I don't think this makes Rels scum. Tube making the point about Rels catching Onegu smurfing is definitly off though. Even if Tube is sitting there scratching his head about how Rels did that it makes far less sense that Rels would out his partners smurf than Rels took the time to search games. The rest of Tubes case I can understand. Rels early case on LS was pretty shit, his early reads on me and gig were largely based on other's cases or OMGUS. I also agree that if Kush flips mafia then Rels is town as his vote was too early to be a bus when he could have easily tried to push back to me or onto GB. I'm not so sure that Kush flipping town makes Rels more likely to be mafia. I agree with Rels there that if D1 lynch was Town v Town then mafia are not likely to have been very involved. Continueing to look at the exchanges between Tube and Rels here. Tube's response (#747) to Rels starts off talking about the Caps Lock stuff. Show nested quote + The caps lock reasons are pure teasing you. What you are saying is that I am also solely TRing Koshi because he had 1 post near EOD that was all caps lock. That's silly. I am most definitely NOT TRing LS because he had half a post that was caps. But I did want to check it. First I saw he didn't use it as scum but then I wondered if he did as town. So, I checked that too. I still think it's a silly reason so I made fun of you for it. For the record I TR LS for his comfortable tone and he has a bigger filter than I think mafiaLS would. I may have stated before but for LS I don't pay too much attention until D2.5/3 because then he is OBVIOUS. His caps lock statement was NAI. Even though he hasn't done it in his 4 scum games, I think he's entirely capable of it. So it's NAI, but apparently for you it overcomes a SHOCKING difference. The bolded line I 100% agree with however the first part of this kinda feels like Tube is backtracking a little on his point there. Though if Tube is scum here I'm not sure why he would decide to start a fight with Rels of all players, especially when Tube thinks Rels will not backdown easily. I disagree that Rels was uninvolved in D1 lynch though and him making a case on Damdred is a decent sign of that. I think Tube is focusing more on Rels vote on Kush: Show nested quote + On December 16 2015 06:48 Rels wrote: Whatever OK to lynch kush. I don't think GB is likely to flip scum. ##Unvote ##Vote kushm4sta Which is a pretty flippant vote but it also sounds a little frustrated that nobody will listen. Maybe I just sympathize here kus my push on Gig was just as ineffective. Looking at the Stuff between Rels and Koshi (and especially since I've proven to myself that a Damdred/Rels team is never a thing here) I can totally understand Rel's frustration. What Koshi is pushing here really makes no sense. As for Rels himself... well I actually do see him possibly being scum this game. I pointed out theres some contradictions in his case on Damdred, but I also think it's interesting Rels didn't reffernce Season of the Witch 2 since his case is largely based on meta. SotW2 had Rels and Damdred as scum and Damdred was playing a rather inactive game there, so if Rels thinks Damdred is doing the same thing here I would think he should want to pull up meta from that game on Damdred. The stuff about his reads besides Damdred being based on thread sentiment or OMGUS is true. I think Damdred pointed out that town!Rels likes to dog people about questions, maybe everyone has just done a good job responding to him this game but I haven't see him doing that here. I'm also used to Rels making more cases based on non-meta stuff, but I have seen him falling into these kinds of reads more and more. Still I can't seem to let go of a gut feeling that Rels is town here due how he's been interacting with people and not trying to set himself up to look good. Honestly I think I'd like to give Rels more time to try and Read him a little better. Having said that I have to admit there are some decent points put against him, if I had to pick between Rels and Damdred I think I would prefer Rels. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or Gig before either of them. I know Gig says he's busy for a couple more days due to finals but I can't help but feel like it's an excuse since he's basically said he has no reads besides thinking I'm scum for stuff Rit said. Since I seem to be one of the minority concerned about Gig I suppose I'm ok giving him another day. Still if he pulls a Scott here I might get somewhat unbearable later. Actually I'm getting more flashbacks to last game with people's activity dropping off a little more today, hopefully that's not a trend. I've enjoyed the pace we've had thus far. Sorry let me wrap up this mega-post by saying I think I need to filter dive Tube next. Based on my last catching up read of the game I like how much he's been putting into the game today and him pushing on Rels as opposed to an afk Vivax or less active Gig or Kush (hell Onegu and to a less extent Damdred actually fall into this category today) seems fairly towny to me. Still a couple of things Rels pointed out clicked with me so I should investigate further. Right now my gut is telling me Rels vs Tube is town v town, but I could see one of them being mafia here. I hate posts like this most the time they come from scum meh | ||
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Rels while he isn't the model of towniness looks town to me who's only spent maybe a hour or two in the game.... But meh id rather get lynched todya over rels shrug. | ||
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On December 19 2015 05:02 GiygaS wrote: Rels did not OMGUS Dam. He had a case on him before dam even mentioned rels. Tgis is true and loshi you are just a little bitch so its ok I forgive you. | ||
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I do think the rels lynch is bad and probably bivax is better just because its vivax and it is alignment indicative fo a point for him. | ||
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Like from my perspective if Rels flips scum what was the scum team doing today nothing,but bussing? (Highly possibke) That would,mean that scum is either playing the long con with bussing or is some of the lower posters in the thread (myself included). If he flips scum I think it actually points to Tt being town trying to push off scum Rels in a hopeless situation bit really doesn't mean much in that regard. Probably makes him town though going after a hard target in this situation. So lynch is interesting information wise especially the less movement we seem to be having around eod if Rels is scum anyway if town its just as interesting to me. But I have to,decide where to vote. Only two options are koshi and Rels. And I don't think trolling aside I like either | ||
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Nothing I've said fits my mafia agenda you are at best confirmation biased or at worst scum. I still think it's the former. | ||
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But I'm just tired and aggravated from the holiday season which is horrible,in all food industries | ||
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Meh I hope I was right then and wrong now tbh. And I don't know if I want to shenanigans today | ||
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1) Tt is most likely town for,going after a hard target plus basically ignoring an easy opportunity to really lay low on the Rels wagon. Even though he's not the first vote on koshi he's a pretty prevalent pusher and the only reason he stops is his scum reads only one in the thread. That point I'll revisit in more detail later to make sure rim right or wrong. 2) vivax worst vote ever saying someone is scum but just falling on Rels to not get gr8 mod killed meh. 3) koshi is still probably town. Ok going to read some. | ||
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Vivax, onegu tube (need to reread tube) and gig right now. | ||
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5 v 3 currently. I didn't read any of the night phase tbh and I might at some point but reading things I'll assume that people called me scum at points. but just gut I know I'm town, ls is most likely town, tt I feel pretty strongly is town. And still sorta feel shaoe is town. Like I know I've put 0 effort into this game, the right play is to lynch vivax should of lynched him 2 days ago. And also kush flipping shows eod d1 was me trying to do what I thought was right instead of onto a partner meh. Anyway I'll be around for a couple hours. | ||
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Right now offering vivax up as tribute to carry the game is a real play I would think about playing. Its not 100% but I want tube to answer me why he checked vivax over say the more contested people in the thread? For example onegu myself or even gig would offer much more information than vivax who was basically lock scum after his eod. And the Tt matter I think we lynch vivax and then we lynch Tt I'll read Tt filter and then give a better opinion. | ||
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Like reading his filter there's an obvious moment that he's scum reading kush still. So could be town still. | ||
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What led you to track tt? Why did you track Tt one of your town reads over onegu, koshi or vivax? | ||
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The easiest explanation is if you are a one shot blue role that is information based (ie cop or tracker) you use the power and then post your results get the extra information plus confirmed town d2 in the process. For example tracked onegu n1 no movement more likely he's town+your confirmed. Now it's an odd thing | ||
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However we have a red check on vivax we don't ever lynch outside of it today tbh. | ||
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Atm I'm leaning towards tt | ||
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You don't take the big play you take the right play. Don't be a moron. And look at sha trying to,discredit me for doing the correct thing | ||
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And you say that you wouldn't keep bringing vivax up as his scum partner but so did Tt. | ||
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TT to be clear you are claiming you are not a pr at all and haven't used any presents/candy correct? Sh you 100% claim a track on Tt correct? No over explaining just yes or no from the both of you. | ||
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On December 21 2015 03:50 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2015 03:41 Shapelog wrote: Like pretend i am mafia. Tell me how posting a tracker result makes any fucking sense? No one else is claiming crap? DId i just typed up BS and waited for 4 hours (till 2:30 am) to post it? Wtf TT? You lied about my case. You can make out at the time what i was talking to you about. About a vobby or a Koshi lynch. And that i would "drive their filters and press them with the charges of rik death." I am pretty sure you are scum, and pulled up the second one just to help your case. Well 1shot tracker isn't the strongest role, I'm not good at balance but I think you'd consider it like half a power role, which means if mafia has a RB then town likely has another .5 role, like Masons or Vet. Or it could be that more candy is present in the game. I'm not at all convinced you are scum fake claiming like this, but it is def not outside the realm of possibility. Just like it's not totally outside the realm of possibility that I'm a wanderer. If you are scum it would make sense to claim a semi-powerful role but leave room in case there are other claims, especially if you think your claim is good enough that it can close out the game for you. Honestly if I were scum I would have claimed that I shot Kush, or got a candy, or w/e the fuck I pleased to try and cover myself here. None of that is true though, so for me either you are lying or I am the 2nd wanderer in this game. If you are not scum here it actually means town probably has more roles or candy that might help us in this triple MyLo. This post makes me lean more scum on Tt. Like majorly | ||
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Vivax more than likely is scum and scum team is going to by a for cred if he's town I'm really disappointed with him. But I've been shitty so I won't hold,it against him. However, Tt is most likely the next scum in this situation. I should explain. Look at how he handles the claim by sha, his response isn't fuck this guy is lying he is scum trying to get a mislymch. Instead it is, summit guys I guess as unlikely as it is I'm a wanderer and sh tracked me danger Secondly the chances of a wanderer going to the person who was hit with kp is extremely small. Let alone the fact we would have to accept 2 wanderer and one unaware Miller. Could 've extreme bad luck for town but it's damming. Kinda sad I was wrong about Tt this game though oh well. | ||
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The last one would probably be between onegu and g and I'm leaning on g right now but undecided. | ||
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So he's the only blue that we know of in the game currently, what's the point of even saying what if Tt is town here? | ||
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Heck we don't even know how many presents were in game, obviously one was used to kill kush. | ||
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Btw shape how many games have you plaued? | ||
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Secondly I am decently convinced that the item that makes you visit someone is automatic foe the person who opened the present. Now all that being said the amount of chance we have three townies in game to fuck with cops and you just so happened to visit someone who was kp...is rather astronomical. | ||
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rels flipped wanderer. So all you have against sh is that he says he misread his rp and thought he was a watcher and not a tracker though he does admit his misreading might of caught a scum so its interesting. | ||
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I think I have it figured out though | ||
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I have reasons to think everyone outside onegu, tube and gi are town. Minus tt of course. out of those three tube has tinfoil about him which could be scum indicative. onegu is dumb telling I have no reason to tr gi | ||
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You never used any candy this game correct. | ||
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But yeah the reasoning why Tt is scum is because when ls and sh moves to Tt scum didn't follow to hammer or vivax didn't move to make it close enough. But yeah Tt is the lynch | ||
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And onegu is just a fucking idiot if he thinks I'm going to be ml in tripple lylo. Anyway its just as likely ts as it is oneg. Also I didn't agree with you vivax was an easy mislynch. I said I think both are scum | ||
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Besides that I played meh overall I think I made several good decisions and correct reads but went about it the wrong way probably. But I was never getting lynched tbh, and tubes play on vivax was pretty transparent to an extent. | ||
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