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flow of reads - palmar
On December 03 2015 17:45 Palmar wrote:
My current town circle is:
Damdy
LS
Shining
Me
I don't really trust many other people.
after d1 lynch
On December 04 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
I actually like Rels right now
night 1
On December 04 2015 22:03 Palmar wrote:
Btw this is the current world view I'm working with:
Probably town:
Rels, for effort (although I know he does it as mafia too, but who cares, he deserves at least to be not the mafia we're looking for).
LS (EoD shennies)
Shining (his entire reaction to my palmartunnel™ on day 1. Especially the part where he created an excuse to leave the thread and then didn't).
Leaning town:
disformation (mostly a leftover tone read from day 1. I've yet to read a post of his that feels forced or awkward).
People who I have read some parts of, but not really made a judgement on alignment:
Fidei (I liked his first post because he spotted exactly the same thing as I did with regards to shining. I often overvalue such mind-melds, but meh. I feel like I should just sort of give him a pass for today, but I'm not certain).
People who I have ignored/Have little opinion on:
DoYouHas (his filter on day 1 was bad, but I sort of started ignoring him after misreading one of his posts. I should probably have looked into him anyway)
HtS (I remember thinking "that's unusually awkward, even for HtS" at some point, but other than that I have generally flat out ignored everything she says. Very worthy candidate to investigate for me)
People I have not read at all
The replacements
People who I am slightly suspicious of
Trfel (It's sort of a sheep from Damdred, but also his emotional outburst yesterday. He was really over the top about a few people not listening to his read on moosy).
So yeah, I don't have a strong scumread right now. I have no "gotcha, this guy is mafia", but I have a basis to work upon.
Given that hts and dyh are the people with votes on them, I'm going to focus on reading them and the cases for them being mafia. For those of you that haven't played with me before, I have a very annoying habit of ignoring people who are mafia (which is another good reason to look into dyh and hts). Basically the theory is that mafia people just post to fit in, whereas townies are posting a lot more entertaining/insane stuff. So I end up not reading boring mafia posts.
My reads in general are sort of fluid, but I'll figure it out.
list post night 1
On December 05 2015 04:00 Palmar wrote:
I'm firmly team NM
throughout day 2, this was his second occurrance of this.
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and of course I forgot but I had previously quoted his last post night 2 - suspicion on fidei/trfel with the primary being palmar.
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I'm thinking corroborate NK WIFOM reads also from d1 and see where the aggregate takes us, if anywhere.
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On December 07 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm really sorry for replacing in to this game I feel like I'm just emulating onegu's afk play but it's my day off it's so hard not to just play fallout on one monitor and watch capcom cup on the other.
Oh snap poonghko! I need like a third monitor.
On December 07 2015 08:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2015 08:21 NocturneMage wrote:On December 07 2015 08:18 disformation wrote:
Hmmm... kinda sleeping on fidei86. Like the last time I read his filter, I was not really impressed. but I hadn't the impression it was scummy. Will probably read again.
Do you ppl have a decent read on Fidei86? I also never played with him, so no idea on big meta stuff.
Could also just be mafia trying to WIFOM up the place, but since I don't have a good read on Fidei86 I think at least checking that out would be a good idea. what did you think of his interactions with me as I was trying to draw an association between him and possibly LS early d2 as I was pushing HTS? rephreased what did you think of Fidei's interactions with me as I was trying to draw an association between HTS and him and HTS and LS early d2 as I was pushing HTS? that should be clearer now. apologies.
Ah, okay.
So I had to actually look at all the stuff, because despite recently have looked at his filter it is not very memorable. I guess Palmar started to dislike Fidei86 based on his sexy filter thing.
The first few responses/interactions with/towards you were pretty neutral and could come from either alignment. Like his clarification on a past game and him asking you to clarify your scum read on HtS. His tone is also pretty neutral here.
Then he switches to a super agreeable / backing off stance in these two posts:
On December 04 2015 09:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay. Happy to take you at your word re 2. Sorry for suggesting it. I really hope she gets well soon, please do pass on all of our regards...<3
On December 04 2015 09:36 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:34 NocturneMage wrote:
Okay seriously, go ahead and lynch me. I truly don't give a fuck.
Just allow me to find the other two mafia first before you kill me. Nobody is talking about lynching you. I wanted to probe your thoughts a little bit, because your writing so far has been a little less ... I don't know, maybe dispassionate? Insightful? I just have never seen you go after a lynch with such abandon before. And if you don't like my reasons for pushing you a little bit, then please do scum read me. But hopefully you'll see them for what they are.
Could either be him being satisfied with your answers or backing up super fast, before the actually takes a kinda controversial stance?
I kinda agree with his stuff on LS though.
So fidei86 is a bit hard for me atm. Has he pushed LS? Or did he go at him also in this super soft manner?
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On December 02 2015 00:25 Damdred wrote:
Let me explain in some semblance of an answer.
Trfel uses stupid arguments early to try to convinced thread that damdred is scum. (I use stupid here not in offense to trfel)
Time passes, damdred town leans him for the stupid argument.
Later trfel decides his argument is partially stupid so apologizes for it but states he still doesn't think damdred is totally town.
Scum trfel doesn't like giving up things and fights for his stupid arguments. I know this is wifom so I font think its indicative.
Its different if only slightly
several posts where Damdred goes back and forth on trfel. referenced from filter.
On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote:
Disinformation
Eels
Damdred
Shining
Palmar
Leans
Trfel
Fid (falling)
Ls
Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters.
On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote:
##vote fidel86
I'll answer trfel after coffee
On December 03 2015 06:34 Damdred wrote:
It was mainly a pressure vote (which really wasn't even a real vote no vote thread)
Fid is sort of a mystery to me, I like several of the things hes saying but his general lack of activity is indicative of his scum/lurkiness that I've come to expect.
His recent list posting looked really towny to me though, so hes still a town lean but I wouldn't sleep on him.
I really encourage everyone to read and vote for LS. If I have to case him I will but i'd rather people make there own decisions in life.
(note I am ignoring also his reads on LS since he also believed after night 1 LS was modconfirmed town)
On December 03 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote:
Sure shining,
before we go down this rabbit hole where you are trying to vet me. Remember we have 56 minutes before lynch roughly and you need to comment on what i'm saying on LS. That is the most important thing right now.
Fid was a town read earlier in the day for me almost right out of the gate, his lack of activity caused him to drop for me almost out of my town reads. He still hadn't done anything when I woke up so I "voted" him as I didn't really vote in the vote thread i'm not sure you could call it that however. It was pressure to see what he would do.
His posts afterwards as I've caught up have seemed not so bad his read post I liked to some extent.
On December 03 2015 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Yeah.
Damdred
LS
Shining
Rels
Palmar
That's my strong town circle.
On December 03 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote:
Trfel I honestly don't know what you want me to say, I interacted with you when it was important eod.
You were obviously fishing early d1 to try to drag something out a sort of trap if you would, but you went off the rails when I put my own trap around you. Which resulted in your town read. Though your over reaction about it over all is sort of concerning.
The LS thing isn't really alignment indicative, trying to save your life goes both ways. LS is town though so shrug.
On December 03 2015 10:21 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +Right now I'm most suspicious of Damdred, NocturneMage/MoosyDoosy, The Shining, Fidei86, and Rels (in no particular order). There's been a lot that happened since I last did serious analysis, though. this is a really really strange list of people.
(the above quote coming from trfel)
On December 04 2015 05:37 Damdred wrote:
Like I said I'm not going to have time to read up before deadline.
I have the reasons I scummed ls in my filter several times.
You so silly though disform.
Also trfel since you are trying to be better at the game, you are using incomplete meta to try to prove someone is scum... While I applaud your tenacity show me something tangible ie actions from this game that are scum motivated.
the above in bolded showing a waffling on trfel - could be town (first fragment) and second is a potential mafia tell for him (reference geript, newbie 17, possible reservation this game)
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so aggregate wifom nk analysis - (learnt in newbie 14 when I was cop from rsoultin)
LS is likely town/disformation probably town
Fidei/Trfel with some reasoning to kill one and/or both of these people.
Interesting. Not definitive obviously but interesting.
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wait, disformation second half of your last post I think you are completely misunderstanding.
first quote - that was nothing to do with the game - that was real life. he wasn't trying to get a read on me I don't think he was just trying to see if hts was being manipulative with rl, the answer is no (even if she flipped scum, that is just hts being hts honestly I cited examples of her doing this as town too) and aside that there were other reasons to scumread her
second quote, it was a misunderstanding. I was pinging trfel but my response came right after fidei's quote so fidei just assumed I was talking to him. but I think I can see why you came to that conclusion with those two sentences in the last quote.
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So this analysis is very similar to votecount, but it is based off of lists that a scum player makes. Every scum player I have ever played with will include at least 1 scum-mate on lists that they make.
Here is HtS's first list: + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote:Hey everyone. A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Show nested quote +Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining...
1. Damdred, Rels, Moosy, Trfel, Disfo
HtS's second, third, & lynch list: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case.
2. Trfel, Damdred, Fid, Disfo
3. Trfel, Disfo, LS
Lynch: DYH, Kush, Onegu(pure policy)
HtS's fourth list: + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 04:48 Half the Sky wrote:I'm here. I am still really sick (and thanks for the well wishes all, I hope I will improve) but I'm going to try my best here to answer all the questions possible. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me  + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in...
4. Trfel, DYH, Kush, Rels, Disfo
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Ok. So she is putting Trfel and Disfo in pretty much all of her lists. By my above heuristic this makes one or both of them more likely to be mafia.
However, take a look at her interactions with the people on her lists in her filter and see if any of them feel out of place compared to the others. Compared to her interactions with Trfel, Rels, Damdred and her suspicion of me and Kush, her interaction with Disfo is very bland, flat. She starts with vague scumlean but the rest of her interaction reads more like she is inviting him to interact with her for the sake of interacting.
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I think the cross between these two methods is a pretty good reason to scumread Disfo. Please look into it yourselves.
##Vote: Disformation
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On December 07 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote:
wait, disformation second half of your last post I think you are completely misunderstanding.
first quote - that was nothing to do with the game - that was real life. he wasn't trying to get a read on me I don't think he was just trying to see if hts was being manipulative with rl, the answer is no (even if she flipped scum, that is just hts being hts honestly I cited examples of her doing this as town too) and aside that there were other reasons to scumread her
second quote, it was a misunderstanding. I was pinging trfel but my response came right after fidei's quote so fidei just assumed I was talking to him. but I think I can see why you came to that conclusion with those two sentences in the last quote.
Ah, damn. Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. 
Also for what it is worth, have some coloured votes:
(went ahead and coloured myself green :p)
Day 1
Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm
LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel
Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu
Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike
DoYouHas (1): disformation
NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky
So to get information from this vote cycle I will try and look at the reasons/timings for voting HtS and try to see if there are plausible bus drivers.
As I outlined yesterday DYH could have been such a busdriver, but I will look at the other suspects, too.
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On December 07 2015 09:20 DoYouHas wrote:So this analysis is very similar to votecount, but it is based off of lists that a scum player makes. Every scum player I have ever played with will include at least 1 scum-mate on lists that they make. Here is HtS's first list: + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote:Hey everyone. A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Show nested quote +Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... 1. Damdred, Rels, Moosy, Trfel, Disfo HtS's second, third, & lynch list: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. 2. Trfel, Damdred, Fid, Disfo 3. Trfel, Disfo, LS Lynch: DYH, Kush, Onegu(pure policy) HtS's fourth list: + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 04:48 Half the Sky wrote:I'm here. I am still really sick (and thanks for the well wishes all, I hope I will improve) but I'm going to try my best here to answer all the questions possible. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in... 4. Trfel, DYH, Kush, Rels, Disfo - Ok. So she is putting Trfel and Disfo in pretty much all of her lists. By my above heuristic this makes one or both of them more likely to be mafia. However, take a look at her interactions with the people on her lists in her filter and see if any of them feel out of place compared to the others. Compared to her interactions with Trfel, Rels, Damdred and her suspicion of me and Kush, her interaction with Disfo is very bland, flat. She starts with vague scumlean but the rest of her interaction reads more like she is inviting him to interact with her for the sake of interacting. - I think the cross between these two methods is a pretty good reason to scumread Disfo. Please look into it yourselves. ##Vote: Disformation
Hmm... I was told that it is also very common mistake for scum partners to totally ignore each other.
How many interactions did you have with HtS again?
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It is not about # of interactions. It is about who is out of place in the people HtS decided to list once you eliminate those confirmed as town.
Her interaction with Trfel makes him very likely town.
Damdred is confirmed town.
Rels is likely town and her interaction with him is not out of place.
Kush is confirmed town.
I'm town. Also, her scumread on me was consistent and something that she came back to more than once.
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But you do bring up a good point. I need to look into this from your side of things. Will filter you after dinner stuff.
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On December 07 2015 09:48 DoYouHas wrote:
But you do bring up a good point. I need to look into this from your side of things. Will filter you after dinner stuff.
Yeah, sure, feel free to do so.
Nearly 2 am here and I have work tomorrow. So I'll do the looking at votes things tomorrow after work.
Kinda annoyed that despite having a way better (town) game than my last game I still get cases thrown at my head.
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##vote Trfel
This vote could change but a lot of my previous reservations stand.
Hmmmmm DYH, I see what you are saying here, but same argument I bring as to the scumreads on me - you're looking at it from HTS's side. People cannot control what HTS does.
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1am, I'm out. I'm hoping to try and spend a little more time on this tomorrow.
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Dinner stuff ran long. More case making delayed till tomorrow
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On December 03 2015 22:15 Palmar wrote:
@Rels, I agree with you on Shining and I agree with you on LS.
I have repeatedly found disformation's posts to be very unforced and easy to follow so I'll accept your town read on him.
HTS/fidei/Trfel, can you give me something to convince me to believe they're all town?
Man it would be funny if that is the team. RIP Palmar you made me laugh.
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On December 04 2015 22:03 Palmar wrote:
People who I am slightly suspicious of
Trfel (It's sort of a sheep from Damdred, but also his emotional outburst yesterday. He was really over the top about a few people not listening to his read on moosy).
Seems like I should reread Damdred's filter 'cause I have no idea what Palmar is thinking about here. I thought Dadmred townread Trfel.
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EPT
