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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 04 2015 15:22 GMT
#1241
Eh, happens.

Going to look at DYH defense + filter again... acutally let me get a coffee first.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 15:23 GMT
#1242
BTW James you should check my read progression of DYH?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 04 2015 15:24 GMT
#1243
On December 05 2015 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Do I need to die for your sins james?

Negatory. You know I like you bro. Lynching in Mafia is never personal - I have incomplete and imperfect evidence, and I have to reach certain conclusions. If I'm right, I get the glory. If I'm wrong I get the resolve to do better next time.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 04 2015 15:25 GMT
#1244
On December 05 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW James you should check my read progression of DYH?

I will. I'll also read DYH's filter this evening. Work is slow today, so I've been able to play a lot of Mafia, but it's all phone posting.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 15:25 GMT
#1245
I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani.

If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life.

There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero.

Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 15:27 GMT
#1246
On December 05 2015 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Do I need to die for your sins james?


No one is sinning here. This is not a moral argument. This is a logical argument.

What are you trying to tell us with meta? You aren't doing dick all with a list of links.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 04 2015 15:28 GMT
#1247
On December 05 2015 00:21 NocturneMage wrote:
There was quite a bit of discussion regarding DYH bussing HTS - he has voted her. I would analyse how he approached the discussion prior to him voting her.

I had to prompt him to actually vote her, that is about the only thing that I can call into question how much he believed in voting her.

Tbf I saw his shit right as I replaced in. His arguments were similar if not identical to mine, mine were based more on out of game information and some meta/prior game understanding of her.


Do you mean the discussion about HtS?
On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.

Gnight folks

@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.

On December 03 2015 10:37 DoYouHas wrote:
Before you all get ahead of yourselves and this gets lost, lets take a look at Kush's filter and reads.

Town reads on myself, trfel, and fid.
Scum reads on Moosy and HtS. Convinced to lynch LS over Moosy.

Seems pretty suspicious of Rels (#240 & #547) but doesn't really push him.
Doesn't townread Palmar like many of us have (myself included).

I think it is fair to say that he was at least townie-null on Damdred since it is Damdred's push on LS that got him to change his vote.

-
Conclusion: I need to reread HtS with the new knowledge of Kush and LS (I agree that the deadline post makes him very, very likely town).

On December 03 2015 13:27 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.

although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch?


Her role in the lynch was jumping on the shenanigans wagon that Shining initiated. Plenty of people did the same thing and it happened fast. So it can't really be indicative of anything on its own.

I think I'm seeing what Kush saw and then some. Gathering my thoughts.

On December 03 2015 14:52 DoYouHas wrote:
1. HtS padded her filter with a lot of recapping and clarifying and meta that doesn't lead to conclusions.

2. HtS spreads around quite a bit of suspicion but does not actually push anyone or really take the lead on anything.
- She scumleans me, plants her vote, and then does nothing to see me lynched. According to #555 I was actually more of a null read and her suspicion and vote were to get me to post more. There is no follow through here, either pressure wise or lynchwise.
- She scumleans kush, points out some stuff that she doesn't like, and then does nothing about it until shenanigans.

3. In spite of all her RL issues she has been plenty active, she is just not really doing anything except engaging Trfel and playing the middle ground.

4. Her play towards LS is highly suspicious. The way I understand it, HtS knows LS better than most. She was reading him critically before any of us and moved him towards null/scum first. She seems unwilling to lynch LS... until Damdred and Palmar take the lead. Then she provides a weak additional reason to not like LS (#627) and switches votes. Does she feel the need to justify her switch beyond just agreeing with Damdred and Palmar?

Here is the important part. Right after LS re-enters the thread super emotional, HtS starts positioning for a townflip and distancing herself from responsibility for the lynch.

LS is someone she knows better than most. She immediately starts doubting the wagon after he reenters the thread. Her response is, "quick! LS, prove to me you are town!" and "crap, I can't get a good enough sense of his meta in 20 minutes to derail this thing!". With the level of doubt she displayed on the wagon she was helping push she should have been among the first to push onto another candidate. Whether that is me or kush, which would make sense for her, or even just Moosy. Any of those plays makes sense for HtS. Instead, she sits on wagon she doesn't like for 30 minutes and only switches when somebody else will get the blame for starting a counterwagon, incidentally, onto another townie.


So he had no opinion prior to the kush flip and you replacing in.
Read his D1 filter, it is like half a page long.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 15:30 GMT
#1248
NM read my past games please? It will make you understand me as a player better O_o I had linked you some of my past games(including all my scum games):
On December 04 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Ugh I couldn't be assed to be coached esp in my last scum where I got coached by Bill to lynch WGS(wherebugsgo) O_o
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike
here are more scum games you can check and some town games for you to check out Alex:
Scum games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike
Some town games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=LightningStrike


May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 15:30 GMT
#1249
Why do I always end up in the hot seat when I don't even try to be in the hot seat
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 04 2015 15:31 GMT
#1250
On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote:
I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani.

If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life.

There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero.

Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia.


Holy hells.
I don't think I can not believe you. About HtS that is, would have to look at LS again.

Still think DYH is scum though. xD
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 15:34 GMT
#1251
dis you can compare my filter from this game to the games I had linked if you need to understand me as a player better.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 04 2015 15:34 GMT
#1252
On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out.

Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town.

Dude...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906

I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged.

How the fuck did you get these links in 2 minutes.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 15:36 GMT
#1253
On December 05 2015 00:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote:
On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out.

Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town.

Dude...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906

I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged.

How the fuck did you get these links in 2 minutes.

Magic obviously lol.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 04 2015 15:38 GMT
#1254
On December 05 2015 00:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 00:34 Rels wrote:
On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote:
On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out.

Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town.

Dude...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906

I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged.

How the fuck did you get these links in 2 minutes.

Magic obviously lol.


So Palmar has magical appearing links and DYH has magical appearing and disapearing reads, do I sense a connection here? :D
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 15:41 GMT
#1255
On December 05 2015 00:38 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 00:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 05 2015 00:34 Rels wrote:
On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote:
On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out.

Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town.

Dude...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906

I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged.

How the fuck did you get these links in 2 minutes.

Magic obviously lol.


So Palmar has magical appearing links and DYH has magical appearing and disapearing reads, do I sense a connection here? :D

Damn our minds had been blown lol.
+ Show Spoiler +
But seriously Palmar might of remember that he had posted some stuff about being lynched butstill it's kind aquick for him to get the info O_o
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 04 2015 15:41 GMT
#1256
On December 05 2015 00:04 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW James I did say some of my treads throughout my filter but here is a list if you really need one -_-
Town:
Palmar: Meta says town for him here with his push on Shining look exactly like he did to me in Metal Mini
FF: Lazy FF is normally town FF from what I remember but I want him to do more work
Rels: He actually put out some cases mainly his case on FYH seems to stick out to me a little and when he was scum I don't remember him casing multiple people O_o
Shining: His responses and his questioning seem like Town Shining this game.
Tfrel: He did try to case people yes but he done it as scum but he seem much more serious tone here but I should prob check the scum game that some of you guys said this similar to his play there.
NM: He went super tryhard right out of the gates but my only issue with him like Rels said is that he not as analyical as I remember him being.
Null:
HTS: Some of her content seems questionable but she not feeling exactly well either but I willing to give her another day for now to have her feel better and post again.
James: It might be a long time but I don't think I ever seen james get so tunneled on me ever O_o But his content is okay.
Scum:
DYH His read progression is very weird like it doesn't feel natural. Plus some of stuff seems like it adds little value.
If I missing anyone let me know.

The part about me is false. I made multiple cases as scum in Drams, in which you were playing.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 04 2015 15:44 GMT
#1257
Alright. ##Vote HTS
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 15:44 GMT
#1258
On December 05 2015 00:41 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 00:04 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW James I did say some of my treads throughout my filter but here is a list if you really need one -_-
Town:
Palmar: Meta says town for him here with his push on Shining look exactly like he did to me in Metal Mini
FF: Lazy FF is normally town FF from what I remember but I want him to do more work
Rels: He actually put out some cases mainly his case on FYH seems to stick out to me a little and when he was scum I don't remember him casing multiple people O_o
Shining: His responses and his questioning seem like Town Shining this game.
Tfrel: He did try to case people yes but he done it as scum but he seem much more serious tone here but I should prob check the scum game that some of you guys said this similar to his play there.
NM: He went super tryhard right out of the gates but my only issue with him like Rels said is that he not as analyical as I remember him being.
Null:
HTS: Some of her content seems questionable but she not feeling exactly well either but I willing to give her another day for now to have her feel better and post again.
James: It might be a long time but I don't think I ever seen james get so tunneled on me ever O_o But his content is okay.
Scum:
DYH His read progression is very weird like it doesn't feel natural. Plus some of stuff seems like it adds little value.
If I missing anyone let me know.

The part about me is false. I made multiple cases as scum in Drams, in which you were playing.

Did you? I'll be honest I kinda did erase Drams content out of my head because that game was very depressing for me -_-
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 15:46 GMT
#1259
On December 05 2015 00:30 LightningStrike wrote:
NM read my past games please? It will make you understand me as a player better O_o I had linked you some of my past games(including all my scum games):
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Ugh I couldn't be assed to be coached esp in my last scum where I got coached by Bill to lynch WGS(wherebugsgo) O_o
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike
here are more scum games you can check and some town games for you to check out Alex:
Scum games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike
Some town games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=LightningStrike


This does not answer my fundamental concern. HTS is a fucking fantastic motivator of coachees as either alignment and when she is mafia it is FUCKING PROVEN SHE MOTIVATES TEAMMATES TO VICTORY REGARDLESS OF TRACK RECORD AS MAFIA. She uses whiskey, she has leadership to pull her teammates together.

In her first scum game her roleblocker almost crashed out. She spent fucking 2 hours in QT keeping him in the game and carried her team. In her most previous game as Mafia, she replaces in and immediately comes with a plan for her remaining scummate (they lost a scummer day one) who from my understanding reading that game and respective scum qt (when I was Mafia in newbie 13) is generally a poor scum player.

You and her from what I can tell generally have a very good relationship with each other. Therefore my argument of her being able to motivate ANYONE is valid.

Even so there is a shittonne of evidence outside her meta that indicates you are mafia.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 04 2015 15:48 GMT
#1260
Alex is there anything at all that gives you pause on your read of Dani?
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