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LightningStrike
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NocturneMage
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Why is Palmar town in your own words? | ||
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LightningStrike
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On December 05 2015 00:49 NocturneMage wrote: and 2/3s of LS' post is (poorly explained) meta. Someone kill me please. And I see Rels is shooting part of that down already. Why is Palmar town in your own words? (kills with you a Ahri ultimate) Palmar's pushing towards Shining and his tunnel towards him seemed very genuine like Palmar does care about his Day 1 more as town than scum unless it starts on the weekend then he can't be assed to play and this game he also been trying to control town direction with Damdred and did help build the wagon on kush. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 05 2015 00:48 LightningStrike wrote: What if I told you I am town and flip town? You can do that as either alignment. You haven't done dick all to show you are town. If you flip town then I'll probably look into Fidei/DYH/possible bussers but not before I read the rest of the thread. | ||
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disformation
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On December 05 2015 00:49 NocturneMage wrote: and 2/3s of LS' post is (poorly explained) meta. Someone kill me please. And I see Rels is shooting part of that down already. Why is Palmar town in your own words? I think someone said LS relies heavily on meta. Oh @ LS: I will try to look at some of the games you linked later, if I get the time to. | ||
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Rels
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On December 05 2015 00:54 NocturneMage wrote: You can do that as either alignment. You haven't done dick all to show you are town. If you flip town then I'll probably look into Fidei/DYH/possible bussers but not before I read the rest of the thread. What about Trfel ? Palmar ? | ||
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Tictock
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Vote Count Half the Sky (4): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels DoYouHas (1): disformation, Not Voting (6): Fidei86, LightningStrike, The Shining, Half The Sky, Palmar, Trfel Currently Half the Sky is set to be lynched. This Day ends at Saturday, Dec 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 23:00 GMT (+00:00). Lynch Voting is done in the voting thread (here). Do not PM me your vote. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. | ||
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NocturneMage
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On December 05 2015 00:48 Fidei86 wrote: Alex is there anything at all that gives you pause on your read of Dani? From a personal viewpoint? No. From a gameplay standpoint? No. I've tried my best here to gauge her using as parallel situation as possible from both alignments. I have no understanding of how Rels fails to see how my thinking isn't analytical but I guess I can't win with everyone. I obviously learnt from newbie 14 I can't convince people for shit and this is my first non-newbie game so it looks like I have a ways to go on this. | ||
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NocturneMage
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Those too. Obviously not leaving anyone out. I'm just thinking most likely but I had to look into question whether a Trfel/HTS scumteam made sense. At the very least he's townread her for bad reasons. | ||
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Rels
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On December 05 2015 01:01 NocturneMage wrote: From a personal viewpoint? No. From a gameplay standpoint? No. I've tried my best here to gauge her using as parallel situation as possible from both alignments. I have no understanding of how Rels fails to see how my thinking isn't analytical but I guess I can't win with everyone. I obviously learnt from newbie 14 I can't convince people for shit and this is my first non-newbie game so it looks like I have a ways to go on this. Are you kidding me. I'm not saying this makes you scum: but your tone is really different from the other games you played. I think I've only seen one of those #9999 that I hate in your posts. | ||
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 DYH defense: + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 14:38 DoYouHas wrote: (Post#1)Rels Case: 1. Rels is wrong. The value in the information of a confirmed town through claim to town far exceeds the value of setup information to scum. (And this is even granting that scum don't know the setup, which we don't know.) Espousing this does not make me scum, it makes me right. 2. Rels is misrepresenting me and ignoring my actual read progression on Trfel. My disagreement with Trfel on Damdred and subsequent response to him asking "am I sane or not" is not a townread. My mindmeld post was written without regard to Damdred's weak townread on Trfel. My actual read progression: Suspicious -> Null -> Scum -> Town -> Unsure without review 3. I admit I was not an effective scumhunter day1. I had a feel for the game which led me to believe that there were scum in the middleground. I spent some time looking at playres I felt fit that description, but nothing really stuck out to me such that I wanted to push a lynch on any of them. The only thing I felt was a lack of content from LS. I didn't think it was enough of a reason to push him, so instead I asked for his reads on my mover and shaker group, Damdred, Palmar, Rels. The smart play for town if you do not have any good scumreads of your own at the end of the day is to sheep the scumreads of those you believe to be town, which is exactly what I did. And yes, Disfo gets lumped into my towngroup. That was my gut read from the earlier filter reading. Not particularly useful when I was searching for scum as I was choking on town/null reads and unable to find things I wanted to pursue. It was useful in deciding where to place my vote at the end of the day. (Post#2) 0 reads? Townread-Damdred Townread-Palmar Townread-Shining Scumread-Trfel Townread-Trfel Townread-Disfo For what is essentially a 1 page filter with the HtS stuff I get more solid reads in here than your average joe. Yeah, I sucked at getting scumreads but that is just a fact of my Day1. (Post#3) See response to post 1. (Post#4) It is quite the opposite of what you are saying here. There is virtually nobody I could have put my vote on by the EoD and not caught flak for it. Leaving yourself options is when you make a bunch of null reads or spread around suspicion on multiple targets so that you are justified no matter where your vote lands. I looked into HtS more carefully because of Kush flip. NM even brings up my post as the reason he first is suspecting her. 1. Eh, don't think the disagreement on claiming/not claiming is really alignment indicative here. 2. Your progression of Trfel per your posts: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote: I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote: I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk. So I'd rather see a: ??? -> ??? -> scum 3. D1 can a bit difficult I understand, but not pushing anyone, having no scum reads at all and just sheeping the lynch does look damn scummy especially in that combination. Post#2 Right forgot your The Shining read. The Shining read is okay, so is the Palmar one. Your scumread on Trfel has a bunch of OMGUS added in. And then you give him a town read for hard defending you? Interesting. And your read on me is not a read, you just suddenly decide I am town. The damdred town read is really early when you say you are happy with him? Post#4 Not sure what you are getting at here... Yeah you could not vote for anyone so you sheep your townreads. Easily done as both alignments. Or is that a "I was too bad at keeping my options open"? Didn't you spend quite a while reading HtS as one of the middleground ppl earlier, but weren't able to find anything? Kush flips, NM gets replaced in and then you find enough to make a good case? | ||
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NocturneMage
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On December 05 2015 01:11 Rels wrote: Disfo: one of NM and HTS is probably scum. Can you chose one ? I don't think this comes from scum!NM On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote: I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani. If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life. There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero. Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia. And as explained here: On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote: HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. I think HtS is null at best. Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. ...shit. Am I tunneled on DYH?  | ||
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Rels
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On December 05 2015 01:19 disformation wrote: I don't think this comes from scum!NM And as explained here: I think HtS is null at best. Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. ...shit. Am I tunneled on DYH? No DYH is probably scum. | ||
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Rels
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On December 05 2015 01:24 disformation wrote: So, we might just have found 2/3 of the scum team. Yep (= 3 with Trfel. | ||
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Still a bit confused about Trfel, but it is possible. On December 05 2015 01:27 Rels wrote: Alright leaving work, see you all later (= cu, later. Taking a short break. Will be around.  | ||
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