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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 11 2015 22:23 GMT
#2284
On December 12 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
I'm at a comp. Come at me bros.
DYH why are you voting me ?


My reasons haven't changed, I could expand them for you if you like but that will take up a good bit of time for me to go through your filter again.
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 11 2015 22:24 GMT
#2285
On December 12 2015 07:23 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 07:13 DoYouHas wrote:
Start of d4 I hadn't caught up on the thread much or really looked at alternatives. I wanted to get something posted since I hadn't really played for a day and then I had my super long day where I couldn't play.


So you hadnt read my night case on Disfo either when you voted?


Nope
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 11 2015 22:59 GMT
#2345
Okay, if you choose to flip me, I get it. You are wrong and drawing things out, but I get that I haven't given out enough townie morsels for you to chew on.

Stick to the plan and follow up with Rels and NM.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 11 2015 23:22 GMT
#2361
That sucks, thought the game was over.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 13 2015 19:00 GMT
#2428
Ok, despite NM's suspicions Shining is the towniest town that ever did town this game. If he is scum I will shake his hand and congratulate him on a game well played, I'm certainly not going to consider voting him.

Let's get this thread moving again. Just lynching randomly into the people that aren't shining gives us 50% chance of winning, and from my perspective we are at 67% of winning this thing.

@LS- Pick the scum from disfo/NM and tell me why
@Disfo- Pick the scum from LS/NM and tell me why
@NM- Pick the scum from disfo/LS and tell me why

@Shining- Frustrating as the flips were, please get back in here. I do want to win this thing in spite of my lack of activity might show.

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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 13 2015 19:09 GMT
#2429
And if I am your pick instead of the two options I gave you, you had better start pushing me instead of all this hedging.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 13 2015 19:36 GMT
#2434
On December 14 2015 04:24 disformation wrote:
Ah nearly forgot: DoYouHas a preferred sweetheart atm?


Currently in the first half of NM's filter. Still getting the town feels. Will see if that persists by the time I get to the end.

I agree with Shining's votecount reasoning why LS is unlikely (he could have easily prevented the FF lynch as an outlier voter, but didn't)

My money is currently on you Disfo in spite of the hammer. I'm not 100% on this, but we'll see how things shake out.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 13 2015 20:20 GMT
#2443
So I am your pick disfo? or is LS? or are you trying to attack shining instead of genuinely pushing a better lynch.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 13 2015 20:22 GMT
#2444
Like, if you agree with your own case and all the things Rels posted against me, why are you hesitating?
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 13 2015 21:22 GMT
#2456
On December 07 2015 09:20 DoYouHas wrote:
So this analysis is very similar to votecount, but it is based off of lists that a scum player makes. Every scum player I have ever played with will include at least 1 scum-mate on lists that they make.

Here is HtS's first list: + Show Spoiler +
On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote:
Hey everyone.

A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed -

Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough.

Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why:

Show nested quote +
Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment?


When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up.

Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously.

disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game.

So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation.

Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence.

Moving to Palmar/Shining...

1. Damdred, Rels, Moosy, Trfel, Disfo

HtS's second, third, & lynch list: + Show Spoiler +
On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.

Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.

Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case.


2. Trfel, Damdred, Fid, Disfo
3. Trfel, Disfo, LS
Lynch: DYH, Kush, Onegu(pure policy)

HtS's fourth list: + Show Spoiler +
On December 03 2015 04:48 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm here. I am still really sick (and thanks for the well wishes all, I hope I will improve) but I'm going to try my best here to answer all the questions possible.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:
On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.

I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return.
First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon.

Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta?
Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him?
Why did your read on me (Trfel) change?

read her filter if you want to see her progression on me
+ Show Spoiler +
She thinks I town.
And where did you get that conclusion from?

On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:
On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted.
On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -

LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.

I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.

You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason.

I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him.


Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him.

Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though.

Yeah....

"I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either.

Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread?

Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him.


The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise.

Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred.

DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush.

Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from.

Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread:
Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will.

Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter.

Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it)

Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in...


4. Trfel, DYH, Kush, Rels, Disfo

-
Ok. So she is putting Trfel and Disfo in pretty much all of her lists. By my above heuristic this makes one or both of them more likely to be mafia.

However, take a look at her interactions with the people on her lists in her filter and see if any of them feel out of place compared to the others. Compared to her interactions with Trfel, Rels, Damdred and her suspicion of me and Kush, her interaction with Disfo is very bland, flat. She starts with vague scumlean but the rest of her interaction reads more like she is inviting him to interact with her for the sake of interacting.



This analysis is getting stronger btw.

##Vote: Disfo
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 22:18 GMT
#2542
I hate this part. When the lynch is pretty well locked in, you are happy with it, and you have nothing to do but sit here and second guess everything.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 22:31 GMT
#2546
Nope, I had the same regret/doubt/fear when HtS was lynched.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 22:59 GMT
#2562
Cmon.......
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 23:01 GMT
#2567
YEEEEEEES!
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 23:02 GMT
#2571
Good lord I thought you were town in those last 2 minutes.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 23:03 GMT
#2575
Apologies to town for my low activity this game. This really wasn't the level of play I expect of myself. Just a mixture of less time to play and a lack of confidence from not having played in a long time. I am a lower postcount player, but this game was a bit absurd.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 23:05 GMT
#2580
I'm really happy I made 2 correct cases here. Unhappy that I wasn't confident enough to push them like I should have.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 23:08 GMT
#2586
On December 15 2015 08:06 Rels wrote:
I deserved my lynch, I played super badly. Sry DYH for the game-long tunnel (=


Sorry for lynching you. I was a pretty easy person to tunnel this game.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 23:10 GMT
#2592
disform, I was seriously considering trying to start a last minute move to LS. That is how unsure I was about you in spite of all the cases and suspicion.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 23:17 GMT
#2600
Trfel, I love the effort you put into things, but sometimes it feels like you are just posting everything that crosses your mind. When everyone's response to reading your filter is "Oh dear, here we go", it might be good to boil things down a bit and then expand when necessary.
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