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On December 03 2015 06:45 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:35 Palmar wrote:
I dislike Fidei being a robot, I don't trust robots. To me, his tone is NAI, he was like that in the town games I've had with him and as well in SOTW 2, what concerns me more is why he's voting Moosy now when he has LS as mafia in his list post. He's saying he's not confident enough in the LS read, but the read itself is pretty fleshed out? There was also another post of his that I didn't like either...
I like this point, one thing I noticed when fid rolled scum with myself rels in sotw he liked to bus a bit ^_-....bad me wants to make unflipped associations
but we will find out in an hour or so.
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Yo. I'm around, but I have some pages to catch up and a EOD to manage in the game I'm hosting. Will be available in 13 minutes.
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On December 03 2015 06:41 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:41 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 06:29 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!”  My name must spread far and wide. Like taking pride in this shit is basically the hallmark of a person too dumb to really play mafia. To be totally honest: I totally do not like MoosyDoosy. Last game, after nearly lynching himself as the martyr D1 he proceeded to shoot a nullread (who was town) over his two scum reads (who where also both town), cause he was convinced he would be able to lynch his both scum reads anyway. I was one of those two scum reads, so I am a bit biased. To be fair my D1 last game was super horrible. So I am probably at least somewhat biased against MoosyDoosy. Meanwhile: upgrading Damdred's town lean to a town read. Give me a few mins to try and forget my dislike of MoosyDoosy to see, which lynch is think is better, since I a) nearly forgot LS was in this game (usually a bad sign) and b) the points Damdred has on him look pretty valid. MoosyDoosy was fricking obvious town last game. Like, really really obvious.
No he wasn't. He was almost lynched. And you had perfect info from the start of the game as scum. You also pulled this woe is me, no one is listening to me stunt last game. If there was anyone else competing for the lynch with Moosy right now, Id say you were trying to protect a scum partner. Looking at Moosys filter, it looks bad but its nowhere near enough to be 100% sure he's scum like you are.
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On December 03 2015 06:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, take a look at LightningStrike, but I'm not sure that I would trust Damdred.
If you avoid lynching MoosyDoosy because Damdred said so, I'll be extremely displeased. No, it's more of an internal fight. I have two conflicting goals and I don't know how to proceed. 1) I want to lynch useless shit people just because I don't want to play with them. vs 2) I want to actually win the game so it's technically better to pray these baddies get shot or checked while trying to lynch mafia. I do not believe your case for Moosy being mafia. I think it doesn't say much about his alignment. His filter is terrible, but it's not mafia terrible, at least not to me. It's just plain terrible. I will, however, look at LS like damdy asked me to.
Yeah, that sums up my current problem perfectly. Need to figure out if I really only vote MD cause I dislike his play so much, or if I really think he could flip scum.
I fear that Damdy is right and LS has a higher chance of actually flipping scum.
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Damdred before I sheep you, can you explain something to me?
You had fidei on one of your earlier town lists. Then you had him just above LS on your next list after that, saying he was dropping. Then in one of your last few posts regarding him, you said he was still a town lean. So that 2nd post:
On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote:
Disinformation
Eels
Damdred
Shining
Palmar
Leans
Trfel
Fid (falling)
Ls
Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters.
Are those leans weak town leans or scum leans?
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On December 03 2015 06:38 Damdred wrote:
Honestly Palmar I feel pretty strongly about LS I know its a bit of work, but just do me this favor and look at him its 2 pages of filter if that.
He has 0 scum reads, he town reads people for little reason showing no fear of me or you who he generally has a great deal of respect/fear for our scum games.
Has absolutely no scum reads, has no positions in the thread.
Just see if i'm right/wrong and tell me and then if you think i'm so dead wrong we can talk about maybe lynching kush/onegu
Ugh
Idk, LS is definitely a bit strange this game.
I hate his comment about how marv or I would be calling him town here. I would have thought he knows by now why marv and I can townread him so easily sometimes.
also, his list post was just a bit too thorough for that state of the game. I don't recall him having so many relatively firm opinions early, but again, maybe it's just the fact that I haven't played with him for a while.
I'm going to dump my vote on him and see what happens.
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On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Back from class after some relaxation. Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ? Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team.
On December 03 2015 03:16 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me  + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. It's implied I thought O_o(At least how I read it and I hope she gets better soon honestly) Also for note you played a shit ton of games with me when I'm town and I surprised you kinda forgot how I play 
This is the question I want to ask folks - why is he null reading Trfel based on the bolded?
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Let us not be scared of the Damdred being correct.
My flock has many colors and many forms, you are all welcomed to follow me as I gently lead you to victory.
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On December 03 2015 06:48 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:41 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 06:41 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 06:29 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!” My name must spread far and wide. Like taking pride in this shit is basically the hallmark of a person too dumb to really play mafia. To be totally honest: I totally do not like MoosyDoosy. Last game, after nearly lynching himself as the martyr D1 he proceeded to shoot a nullread (who was town) over his two scum reads (who where also both town), cause he was convinced he would be able to lynch his both scum reads anyway. I was one of those two scum reads, so I am a bit biased. To be fair my D1 last game was super horrible. So I am probably at least somewhat biased against MoosyDoosy. Meanwhile: upgrading Damdred's town lean to a town read. Give me a few mins to try and forget my dislike of MoosyDoosy to see, which lynch is think is better, since I a) nearly forgot LS was in this game (usually a bad sign) and b) the points Damdred has on him look pretty valid. MoosyDoosy was fricking obvious town last game. Like, really really obvious. No he wasn't. He was almost lynched. And you had perfect info from the start of the game as scum. You also pulled this woe is me, no one is listening to me stunt last game. If there was anyone else competing for the lynch with Moosy right now, Id say you were trying to protect a scum partner. Looking at Moosys filter, it looks bad but its nowhere near enough to be 100% sure he's scum like you are.
Wait Shining, do you think Trfel is 100% scum?
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If so, do you have a case? I'm all ears for cases right about now.
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On December 03 2015 06:54 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Back from class after some relaxation. On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ? Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:16 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. It's implied I thought O_o(At least how I read it and I hope she gets better soon honestly) Also for note you played a shit ton of games with me when I'm town and I surprised you kinda forgot how I play This is the question I want to ask folks - why is he null reading Trfel based on the bolded? Uh, the second post you quoted came after the first. Not sure what you're getting at.
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On December 03 2015 06:53 The Shining wrote:Damdred before I sheep you, can you explain something to me? You had fidei on one of your earlier town lists. Then you had him just above LS on your next list after that, saying he was dropping. Then in one of your last few posts regarding him, you said he was still a town lean. So that 2nd post: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote:
Disinformation
Eels
Damdred
Shining
Palmar
Leans
Trfel
Fid (falling)
Ls
Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters. Are those leans weak town leans or scum leans?
These were also gut reads mind you where I had just glanced at posts 0 filters read at that point. They were slightly town leans.
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I'll switch votes as well.
LS can you comment more on why Trfel is null for you based on what you said or possibly his current gameplay now if he was someone you focused on?
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There are some reasons to think Damdred is town btw.
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Okay, okay. I kinda want to keep my town win streak more than I want to lynch MD for being useless... so let us lynch the one more likely to flip scum.
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On December 03 2015 06:27 Palmar wrote:
This is 100% a policy lynch.
That being said, intentionally bad players should be policy lynched. I see no effort at all from moosy trying to actually help this game.
Catching up. This.
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Also if ls flips scum (which I think he does at this point) Palmar and Damdred lock town.
And I like that world.
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On December 03 2015 06:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:48 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 06:41 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 06:41 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 06:29 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!” My name must spread far and wide. Like taking pride in this shit is basically the hallmark of a person too dumb to really play mafia. To be totally honest: I totally do not like MoosyDoosy. Last game, after nearly lynching himself as the martyr D1 he proceeded to shoot a nullread (who was town) over his two scum reads (who where also both town), cause he was convinced he would be able to lynch his both scum reads anyway. I was one of those two scum reads, so I am a bit biased. To be fair my D1 last game was super horrible. So I am probably at least somewhat biased against MoosyDoosy. Meanwhile: upgrading Damdred's town lean to a town read. Give me a few mins to try and forget my dislike of MoosyDoosy to see, which lynch is think is better, since I a) nearly forgot LS was in this game (usually a bad sign) and b) the points Damdred has on him look pretty valid. MoosyDoosy was fricking obvious town last game. Like, really really obvious. No he wasn't. He was almost lynched. And you had perfect info from the start of the game as scum. You also pulled this woe is me, no one is listening to me stunt last game. If there was anyone else competing for the lynch with Moosy right now, Id say you were trying to protect a scum partner. Looking at Moosys filter, it looks bad but its nowhere near enough to be 100% sure he's scum like you are. Wait Shining, do you think Trfel is 100% scum?
Nah you misread. I meant Trfel is 100% that MD is scum. I'm seeing a few similarities in his play from last game, though, but not enough to case. It's more gut than anything. His really hard d1 push on Scott feels like the Moosy push here. His "idk no one is listening to me, I give up" feels like when he was trying to push off of Breshke, his scummmate, last game. The only reason I can't fully scumread it is because at the time, there was no one competing with MD for lynch like Breshke was last game.
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On December 03 2015 06:55 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:54 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Back from class after some relaxation. On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ? Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team. On December 03 2015 03:16 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. It's implied I thought O_o(At least how I read it and I hope she gets better soon honestly) Also for note you played a shit ton of games with me when I'm town and I surprised you kinda forgot how I play This is the question I want to ask folks - why is he null reading Trfel based on the bolded? Uh, the second post you quoted came after the first. Not sure what you're getting at.
I'm asking why he wouldn't reconsider his read on you from his world given the first quote. He called something of yours "weird" in spite of him moving you to null, you think he'd at least question his read on you or question you if something you did surprised him. The expectation he has in the second quote is that you should know how he plays when he's town and why that couldn't or didn't affect his previous consideration. Looking at his filter, he is struggling for reads but when you have been his main focus most of this game, is this unreasonable to consider?
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Btw, the people who are pushing lynches (damdred -> LS, Trfel -> MD and Shining -> Trfel??). Can you all summarize your points in a short case. It makes it so much easier for everyone involved if people actually build cases.
I'd be building one if I had one (I tried to summarize my concerns about shining last night). I just don't quite know what I want to do right now.
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