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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 02 2015 21:32 GMT
#601
On December 03 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
Well he likes playing town with me even if I have been afk for large portions of the day.

There is no reason to put something that is NAI and make it out to be like he is lock scum when it just isn't so, if he flips scum it will be because of something else.


100% (bolded)
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 02 2015 21:34 GMT
#602
It was mainly a pressure vote (which really wasn't even a real vote no vote thread)

Fid is sort of a mystery to me, I like several of the things hes saying but his general lack of activity is indicative of his scum/lurkiness that I've come to expect.

His recent list posting looked really towny to me though, so hes still a town lean but I wouldn't sleep on him.

I really encourage everyone to read and vote for LS. If I have to case him I will but i'd rather people make there own decisions in life.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 02 2015 21:35 GMT
#603
I dislike Fidei being a robot, I don't trust robots.
Computer says mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 02 2015 21:35 GMT
#604
On December 03 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote:
Sadly that's just how he and a lot of the newer players play now Palmar. Its really annoying and sadly moosey is actually a good player when he decides to play, something about keeping a clean scum meta.

I think hes worth a power role move perhaps at night but I wouldn't lynch him today.

What do you think of LS Palmar.

I haven't read him.

Also, we have Onegu to deal with, our vigi can't shoot two people.


Thing that moosey will start playing n1-d2 in my experience
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 02 2015 21:36 GMT
#605
On December 03 2015 06:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 06:28 Trfel wrote:
On December 03 2015 06:27 Palmar wrote:
This is 100% a policy lynch.

That being said, intentionally bad players should be policy lynched. I see no effort at all from moosy trying to actually help this game.
Maybe it's a policy lynch for you, but I think I actually know what I'm doing.


Have you played with Moosy before?
Yes, several times.

I've explained why MoosyDoosy's play is mafia in this game, regardless of meta. It's really solid.

Meta actually helps to show why MoosyDoosy is mafia in this case. As town, even while being as obnoxious as possible, he still shows an interest in solving the game. You can see it through the "I'm trying not to do anything". For example, last game, he kept pushing FarahBlackwing really confidently, despite martyring as a power role.

Like, I'm not going to dig up a bunch of past games or pull up a ton of posts. If you read it, you should see for yourself. I've told you what to look for. It's not something I can make any clearer.

This is the type of read I've had by far the most success with. Mindset and mafia motivation. When applied correctly, it's basically never wrong. The best part is that it's easy to apply correctly. The downside is that it's really hard to explain.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 02 2015 21:36 GMT
#606
On December 03 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:
On December 03 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote:
Sadly that's just how he and a lot of the newer players play now Palmar. Its really annoying and sadly moosey is actually a good player when he decides to play, something about keeping a clean scum meta.

I think hes worth a power role move perhaps at night but I wouldn't lynch him today.

What do you think of LS Palmar.

I haven't read him.

Also, we have Onegu to deal with, our vigi can't shoot two people.


Thing that moosey will start playing n1-d2 in my experience

Ok so wanna kill kush or onegu instead?
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 02 2015 21:37 GMT
#607
On December 03 2015 06:32 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Like, this isn't a policy lynch at all.

MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's bad. MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's useless. MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's obnoxious.

MoosyDoosy is being lynched because his play has too many contradictions and has no possible town mindset behind it, while it fits perfectly with mafia motivation of contributing as little as possible, in this case relying on meta to avoid the Day 1 lynch.

Explain the bolded, I couldn't find any contradictions in it aside from the grumpy/happy. Why are you saying there are too many?
Also when he says he will play, and sort of pretends to play, but isn't actually playing the game/isn't actually invested in the game.

Two major contradictions like that in a short filter is pretty telling. These aren't logic contradictions or read changes, mindset contradictions are much more powerful.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 02 2015 21:38 GMT
#608
Honestly Palmar I feel pretty strongly about LS I know its a bit of work, but just do me this favor and look at him its 2 pages of filter if that.

He has 0 scum reads, he town reads people for little reason showing no fear of me or you who he generally has a great deal of respect/fear for our scum games.

Has absolutely no scum reads, has no positions in the thread.

Just see if i'm right/wrong and tell me and then if you think i'm so dead wrong we can talk about maybe lynching kush/onegu
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 02 2015 21:39 GMT
#609
I give up. Don't even know what I can do about this.

Marvellosity told me what I needed to do to improve my mafia play, I tried it this game, with no results.

Maybe my playstyle is just too different from everyone else's so that I can't actually play mafia any more. Maybe I just need to sheep people all the time like I used to.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 02 2015 21:39 GMT
#610
On December 03 2015 06:37 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 06:32 Palmar wrote:
On December 03 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Like, this isn't a policy lynch at all.

MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's bad. MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's useless. MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's obnoxious.

MoosyDoosy is being lynched because his play has too many contradictions and has no possible town mindset behind it, while it fits perfectly with mafia motivation of contributing as little as possible, in this case relying on meta to avoid the Day 1 lynch.

Explain the bolded, I couldn't find any contradictions in it aside from the grumpy/happy. Why are you saying there are too many?
Also when he says he will play, and sort of pretends to play, but isn't actually playing the game/isn't actually invested in the game.

Two major contradictions like that in a short filter is pretty telling. These aren't logic contradictions or read changes, mindset contradictions are much more powerful.

That was pre-game though.

Nah, I'm going to vote something else.
Computer says mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 02 2015 21:39 GMT
#611
On December 03 2015 06:37 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 06:32 Palmar wrote:
On December 03 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Like, this isn't a policy lynch at all.

MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's bad. MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's useless. MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's obnoxious.

MoosyDoosy is being lynched because his play has too many contradictions and has no possible town mindset behind it, while it fits perfectly with mafia motivation of contributing as little as possible, in this case relying on meta to avoid the Day 1 lynch.

Explain the bolded, I couldn't find any contradictions in it aside from the grumpy/happy. Why are you saying there are too many?
Also when he says he will play, and sort of pretends to play, but isn't actually playing the game/isn't actually invested in the game.

Two major contradictions like that in a short filter is pretty telling. These aren't logic contradictions or read changes, mindset contradictions are much more powerful.


So the last two games that I've watched where moosey either martyr'd or just didnt' care/post and got lynched he was scum right?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 02 2015 21:40 GMT
#612
Palmar, take a look at LightningStrike, but I'm not sure that I would trust Damdred.

If you avoid lynching MoosyDoosy because Damdred said so, I'll be extremely displeased.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 02 2015 21:41 GMT
#613
On December 03 2015 06:29 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!”

My name must spread far and wide.


Like taking pride in this shit is basically the hallmark of a person too dumb to really play mafia.


To be totally honest: I totally do not like MoosyDoosy.
Last game, after nearly lynching himself as the martyr D1 he proceeded to shoot a nullread (who was town) over his two scum reads (who where also both town), cause he was convinced he would be able to lynch his both scum reads anyway.
I was one of those two scum reads, so I am a bit biased. To be fair my D1 last game was super horrible.

So I am probably at least somewhat biased against MoosyDoosy.

Meanwhile: upgrading Damdred's town lean to a town read. Give me a few mins to try and forget my dislike of MoosyDoosy to see, which lynch is think is better, since I a) nearly forgot LS was in this game (usually a bad sign) and b) the points Damdred has on him look pretty valid.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 02 2015 21:41 GMT
#614
On December 03 2015 06:39 Trfel wrote:
I give up. Don't even know what I can do about this.

Marvellosity told me what I needed to do to improve my mafia play, I tried it this game, with no results.

Maybe my playstyle is just too different from everyone else's so that I can't actually play mafia any more. Maybe I just need to sheep people all the time like I used to.

No you need to just say things that make sense to the people you're talking to. Half the skill in mafia is to recognize your crowd and appeal to it. Being right and unable to convince people you are makes you just as terrible as someone who is wrong all the time.
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 02 2015 21:41 GMT
#615
On December 03 2015 06:41 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 06:29 Palmar wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!”

My name must spread far and wide.


Like taking pride in this shit is basically the hallmark of a person too dumb to really play mafia.


To be totally honest: I totally do not like MoosyDoosy.
Last game, after nearly lynching himself as the martyr D1 he proceeded to shoot a nullread (who was town) over his two scum reads (who where also both town), cause he was convinced he would be able to lynch his both scum reads anyway.
I was one of those two scum reads, so I am a bit biased. To be fair my D1 last game was super horrible.

So I am probably at least somewhat biased against MoosyDoosy.

Meanwhile: upgrading Damdred's town lean to a town read. Give me a few mins to try and forget my dislike of MoosyDoosy to see, which lynch is think is better, since I a) nearly forgot LS was in this game (usually a bad sign) and b) the points Damdred has on him look pretty valid.
MoosyDoosy was fricking obvious town last game.

Like, really really obvious.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 02 2015 21:42 GMT
#616
But we are two lazy people Palmar, who both hate work ....

Fine
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 02 2015 21:43 GMT
#617
On December 03 2015 06:42 Damdred wrote:
But we are two lazy people Palmar, who both hate work ....

Fine


Oh hou were talking to Trfel I thought you were poking me alas, I can be lazy until you respond now.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 02 2015 21:44 GMT
#618
On December 03 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, take a look at LightningStrike, but I'm not sure that I would trust Damdred.

If you avoid lynching MoosyDoosy because Damdred said so, I'll be extremely displeased.

No, it's more of an internal fight.

I have two conflicting goals and I don't know how to proceed.

1) I want to lynch useless shit people just because I don't want to play with them.

vs

2) I want to actually win the game so it's technically better to pray these baddies get shot or checked while trying to lynch mafia.

I do not believe your case for Moosy being mafia. I think it doesn't say much about his alignment. His filter is terrible, but it's not mafia terrible, at least not to me. It's just plain terrible.

I will, however, look at LS like damdy asked me to.
Computer says mafia
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 02 2015 21:45 GMT
#619
On December 03 2015 06:35 Palmar wrote:
I dislike Fidei being a robot, I don't trust robots.


To me, his tone is NAI, he was like that in the town games I've had with him and as well in SOTW 2, what concerns me more is why he's voting Moosy now when he has LS as mafia in his list post. He's saying he's not confident enough in the LS read, but the read itself is pretty fleshed out?

There was also another post of his that I didn't like either...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 02 2015 21:45 GMT
#620
On December 03 2015 06:41 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 06:39 Trfel wrote:
I give up. Don't even know what I can do about this.

Marvellosity told me what I needed to do to improve my mafia play, I tried it this game, with no results.

Maybe my playstyle is just too different from everyone else's so that I can't actually play mafia any more. Maybe I just need to sheep people all the time like I used to.

No you need to just say things that make sense to the people you're talking to. Half the skill in mafia is to recognize your crowd and appeal to it. Being right and unable to convince people you are makes you just as terrible as someone who is wrong all the time.
For the record, I tried my best.

I realize that that doesn't change anything, but I did.
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