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On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. 1 - this is sooooo non commital. 2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours. What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss? I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post. This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me."
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I didn't read that as that way at all. Trfel is already making conclusions on what is already out there.
"I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time." tells me there will be enough information for trfel to make a better conclusion.
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On December 01 2015 19:19 Rels wrote:
fidei you're saying HTS is not really pushing the people she thinks are scummy right ?
On December 01 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 19:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Um, not quite. It's more of a total gut read from me, that she's not being candid with her thoughts. You and she both know that she's my favourite person on this site by miles, so I'm not going to just blindly tunnel her. I just wondered if anyone else agrees with my thinking. I reread her posts. Can you give me some examples ?
On December 01 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 21:45 Fidei86 wrote:
@Rels
I have looked over HTS' posts, and I am more okay with #209 now that I've read it a few times. There's nothing particularly objectionable in there.
At #219, I disagree with her read on the Palmar / Shining interaction. There is something very strange about Shining's progression, and HTS just skates past it.
She then at #224, #237 and #246 goes forward and then back on on Trfel. She asks Shining about people other than Palmar, but noticeably doesn't ask Palmar about people other than Shining.
I know that HTS is very much a fan of Palmar's scum play. I know that she has previously had him as a coach and that she generally speaks highly of him as a player. It is strange to me that she almost specifically avoids interacting with him, or making any comments about him. Honestly, if she can't read him, it seems like the rest of us don't have a chance.
None of the above is a guaranteed scum-tell. But I find it somewhat suspicious. Town HTS nitpicks as well, but I just always get the sense that she is going somewhere with her thoughts. That seems lacking to me. I don't agree with #219's analysis. I relate to her because I also don't know if what Palmar brings on Shining is really incriminating. I don't agree with Trfel's back and forth being scum indicative. She asked a question, got told by Trfel she didn't understand correctly his meaning, and backed off. I don't understand the Shining / Palmar difference. Why is HTS asking Shining his reads and not Palmar is scum indicative ? I agree with HTS' post lacking something though. She comes into the thread with two scumleans; interacts with the two of them; then leaves without a list or anything.
Possible distancing from HTS? I can see this coming from both alignments. It appears that in context, HTS did correct Fidei on his perspective, which he acknolwedged, so I don't know...
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Distancing is a common tactic to avoid pairing with other members of your Faction. It is most commonly done by Anti-Town factions such as Mafia, but can also be used by Masons to avoid being night-killed as a confirmed pro-town player, if their Mason buddy has been lynched.
It involves putting oneself at odds with one's partner(s), either by disagreement over a third party, or by direct conflict against each other. The effectivness of this technique is often based on timing and the quality of performance from the players distancing themselves from each other.
At times, such heavy distancing is used that it leads to one of the distancers being lynched. This is a common tactic among Scum known as Bussing.
From mafia scum wiki. Alright, I had the right definition in mind. I think I need to see more instances of that to be more sure of distancing though. Hmmmm.
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On December 02 2015 01:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. 1 - this is sooooo non commital. 2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours. What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss? I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post. This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me." Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best. Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts.
Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well. I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself. Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless.
There was a decent sequence between him and Damdred that seemed okay-ish or at least fleshed out. It seemed based on a lot of meta but I don't think that's mafia indicative for Rels. I think this becomes more mafia indicative depending on how his end of cycle was. I could agree with the DYH vote the time it was made, policy vote announcements are not really alignment indicative. He's got two lynches here, a scumlean in Fidei resumably. Not thinking this is mafia indicative.
Don't think this post is a good one at all to scumread DYH now that I think of it. Whart are the compositions of the towns? Was he vigged? I'm not looking at through those games, but these conclusions don't address those circumstances. Circumstantial at best.
If he's making an argument that DYH is trying to break meta (this is possible) he has to weight that against his current gameplay. I've been 50/50 on DYH gameplay at worst.
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On December 09 2015 07:57 disformation wrote:
##unvote
##vote Fecalfeast
On December 09 2015 07:59 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Trfel
Could Rels really say he thought as I did to yolo FF and then vote Trfel? Mafia probably would have voted FF first I think if Shining's theory is true?
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On December 03 2015 20:40 Rels wrote:
To the potential cop / vig, since we cannot have both: I would use my ability on this group:
DYH, NM, Palmar.
I wouldn't vig Damdred, but I would cop check him since he cannot be GF if a cop is in the setup.
This could be potentially mafia indicative if DYH is lynched and flips town. I know I'm town and Damdred/Palmar have since flipped.
In his defence, Palmar's end of cycle was bad. though.
On December 05 2015 00:44 Rels wrote:
Alright. ##Vote HTS
This is just really.....IDK. He was townreading her hard based on end of cycle, and DYH and I were leading the lynch.
I'm about halfway through Rels' filter. I'm voting him for now. But I'm going to try and come back roughly 30-45 or whatever and pick up on things or if something jumps at me one way or another.
On a re-read and refocus there are a few things I don't see and a few things that are creating doubt. The two minute time gap is too small between disformation's vote on FF and his vote on Trfel, but at the same time there was no telling if someone else could have potentially hammered Trfel. This is where I might be willing to buy into LS's theory of scum possibly screwing this up.
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DoYouHas (3): disformation, Rels, LightningStrike
Rels (3): DoYouHas, Fidei86, NocturneMage
Not Voting (1):The Shining
Currently DoYouHas is set to be lynched.
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Wtf
Let me get home and I'll slap both of you. Or lynch you if one of you is scummy.
Reading from phone, fidei s read seemed logical while nm seemed opportunistic, especially since he's dropping his suspicion on both dyh and disfo after saying dyh s answer was weird.
Nothing bought against me is scum indicative except the random Hts vote. Well, I can assure you that if I was scum, I would never have a non explained vote like that.
Fidei, the rest of your post is poe and fear, which btw seemed to have been caused by a casual nm question on my scum abilities.
Nm, you seemed to be over explaining to me. Will have to reread when I am on a PC.
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On December 12 2015 02:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 02:35 Fidei86 wrote:I meant this cycle. Or is the vote tally not up to date? I'm not going insane, am I? I'm sober now, I was drunk last night phase, but....
So what ? When DYH voted disfo, you were already there; and when he switched to me, he was the only one on disfo. Do you still believe it's a good point ? Can you write it with your own words if you understand it ?
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On December 12 2015 03:09 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 01:32 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. 1 - this is sooooo non commital. 2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours. What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss? I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post. This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me." Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best. Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts.
Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well. I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself. Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless. There was a decent sequence between him and Damdred that seemed okay-ish or at least fleshed out. It seemed based on a lot of meta but I don't think that's mafia indicative for Rels. I think this becomes more mafia indicative depending on how his end of cycle was. I could agree with the DYH vote the time it was made, policy vote announcements are not really alignment indicative. He's got two lynches here, a scumlean in Fidei resumably. Not thinking this is mafia indicative. Don't think this post is a good one at all to scumread DYH now that I think of it. Whart are the compositions of the towns? Was he vigged? I'm not looking at through those games, but these conclusions don't address those circumstances. Circumstantial at best. If he's making an argument that DYH is trying to break meta (this is possible) he has to weight that against his current gameplay. I've been 50/50 on DYH gameplay at worst.
I'm saying it looks like DYH is a strong town, not getting mislynched and getting killed multiple times; but getting lynched in his most recent mafia games. There is no "break meta", I don't know how you could imagine it.
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On December 12 2015 03:28 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 20:40 Rels wrote:
To the potential cop / vig, since we cannot have both: I would use my ability on this group:
DYH, NM, Palmar.
I wouldn't vig Damdred, but I would cop check him since he cannot be GF if a cop is in the setup. This could be potentially mafia indicative if DYH is lynched and flips town. I know I'm town and Damdred/Palmar have since flipped. In his defence, Palmar's end of cycle was bad. though. This is just really.....IDK. He was townreading her hard based on end of cycle, and DYH and I were leading the lynch. I'm about halfway through Rels' filter. I'm voting him for now. But I'm going to try and come back roughly 30-45 or whatever and pick up on things or if something jumps at me one way or another. On a re-read and refocus there are a few things I don't see and a few things that are creating doubt. The two minute time gap is too small between disformation's vote on FF and his vote on Trfel, but at the same time there was no telling if someone else could have potentially hammered Trfel. This is where I might be willing to buy into LS's theory of scum possibly screwing this up.
From the things you quoted, I don't understand why you are voting me. Last scum is either you or DYH anyway, so the game is won.
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Alright I'll be with my GF until later; NM's vote on me seems opportunistic and overexplained. Still think DYH is the last scum though, so please read his filter / my posts on him and let's lynch him.
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I'm gonna have to apologize to Disfo post game, huh? I want to reread again but I'm pretty caught up. It doesn't escape me that Rels started really trying this phase after he got scummed. Trfel also entertained the idea of Rels scum during the night phase. Possible NK reasoning.
I'm trying to get out of my tunnel. FF was lynched off of a 3v3 vote. He just got to 3 first. Trfel conftown, I'm town, I have to accept that Disfo is the town hammer. Looking at the votes, I'm pretty sure DYH and LS are conftown, too. With the lynch 3v3, either one could have voted Trfel and got him lynched over Fecal. And DYH voted Disfo very close to deadline, which means he was here and couldve seen that. I don't think I want to lynch DYH today. Or disfo.
I'm more on the train of thought now that I'm just wrong this phase. 3v3 is very close. One of Rels/NM is scum. And I had super early suspicions of Rels that I let go. For someone who has a 15 page filter, I've forgotten he's in this game a bunch of times. I've also played scum with him once before. The activity as scum isn't beyond his scum game.
And the post that Rels didn't like from DYH is actually one I really liked. Not conceding and the points on NKs and someone not being threatened by current thread sentiment.
Apparently I'm the hammer vote behind these lynches. I've still got 2+ hours so I'll read and figure out which is scum.
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On December 12 2015 05:18 Rels wrote:
Alright I'll be with my GF until later; NM's vote on me seems opportunistic and overexplained. Still think DYH is the last scum though, so please read his filter / my posts on him and let's lynch him.
Hm. Is this someone truly fighting to get DYH lynched and believing his own scumread? I mean RL stuff is RL stuff but giving an afk excuse is pretty lousy. How later is later? Before EoD? After EoD? Meh.
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On December 12 2015 05:30 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 05:18 Rels wrote:
Alright I'll be with my GF until later; NM's vote on me seems opportunistic and overexplained. Still think DYH is the last scum though, so please read his filter / my posts on him and let's lynch him. Hm. Is this someone truly fighting to get DYH lynched and believing his own scumread? I mean RL stuff is RL stuff but giving an afk excuse is pretty lousy. How later is later? Before EoD? After EoD? Meh.
When I'm not being lynched. I'm watching a movie with my gf, but I'll post if its needed to not be lynched.
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AT THE PARTY VENUE. IM STARTING TO WAIVER ON RELS BUT I WONT SWITCH TO ANYONE BUT NM OR LS (BECAUSE I STILL DONT WANT TO LOSE TO SCUM LS).
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I still think dyh is scum though. Ff had an attack on , then sheep him on Trfel; seem a little too related to be partner
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Fidei why doesn't scumLS hammer Trfel to save FF then?
Rels same question but about DYH. Why vote Disfo minutes before deadline instead of Trfel? When he even made a post rescinding his tr on Trfel and asked me to explain why Trfel was town? If he is scum, rescinding his Trfel read over a past game and dropping him to "I can't make sense of him" then voting Disfo over Trfel? Trfel had 2 votes before Trfel and I voted FF. He voted Disfo 4 mins before deadline and after I voted FF. Why not vote Trfel instead to save FF? I see no scum motivation behind that move.
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