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@shining I have no explanation for that. The problem with nm being scum is ff s interaction with him; I think it's more likely dyh is scum than nm.
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Mostly LS because I refuse to lose to LS playing like this. But yeah, I think it's Rels or NM.
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Actually Rels tried to get people onto Trfel at :59 and voted him after FF got the lead. With a hasty rushed "Let's go Trfel"
After saying let's lynch DYH, he showed up 30 mins before deadline. He also said Trfel, FF and I all did the same thing. But he chose Trfel to push.
After being willing to sheep me on Disfo today but now he's back to sheeping Disfo on DYH.
Says voting FF is a possibility but pure yolo. But dude voted Trfel.
He also made a post before that one saying FF could be scum and if that's the case, likely partner is DYH. TMI? This was before FF was the lynch. But he voted Trfel over FF, while thinking FF could be scum. If FF could be scum, why did he vote Trfel? And why call it a yolo move if he thought he could be scum?
Trfel also voted Rels before he went on FF. Trfel is dead now. And I think I'm seeing what Trfel saw in Rels filter. I'm pretty sure I'm voting Rels.
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Alright. You all chose the right night to lynch me.
Everything you said is wrong and can be proven wrong. Whatever.
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I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter.
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On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter.
I think I can guess it. Does he mention you too ?
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On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter.
The most important thing is how ff ask three people to expand his read on dyh. This is the big thing
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On December 09 2015 07:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 07:44 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On December 09 2015 07:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shenanigans onto fecalfeast then? I couldn't care less about this game right now. I thought you prided yourself in being an unexpectedly hard mislynch? As I recall from last game, "it's encouraging that this is all the scummer has to push on". I just spent 2 full days playing fallout and tinkering with my PC. I just caught up on the entire day phase now. If I die I don't have to read and mafia is never going t shoot me got any reads from catching up? At first I got thevibe you were coasiting along but then your case dropped and I forgave you LS is honestly probably not scum but I think I have missed a few games with LS lately maybe he's changed? As scum he usually just shuts down from what I remember. Rels seems to be slowly dropping off but I can't really say my words hold much weight in that department NM is ignoring anyone who mentions me which is weird as I'm fairly aware of how scum likes to treat me when I'm town Trfel has the same icon as rels now and I've been mixing their posts up and am thinkning I need to reread lol but I have no time
This was his first mention of Rels in any sort of trying to read him. A soft push AFTER he was already being lynched. Other than that, he straight up ignored Rels. But they voted together on Trfel. Hm.
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On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter. I think I can guess it. Does he mention you too ?
He tried to pin the Kush mislynch on me like HtS did. A few times. Kinda spewed me town there lol
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On December 12 2015 06:33 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter. I think I can guess it. Does he mention you too ? He tried to pin the Kush mislynch on me like HtS did. A few times. Kinda spewed me town there lol
He tried to attack fidei for that. Why was dyh scumreading disfo and why did he vote him at deadline ?
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On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter. The most important thing is how ff ask three people to expand his read on dyh. This is the big thing
Right but one post you used is actually quite telling about DYH's alignment. He had DYH as town and needed a reason to backtrack on that to ML if need be. One post, FF said "lets say HTS flips red here. What does that make you think of DYH?" I don't think I've ever seen scum mention his entire team in a post like that. The way that post read, its like he wanted someone to imply HTS flipping red implicates DYH flipping red, too. That's suicide as a scumteam, especially now that FF flipped, too.
It's like the Kush thing. If he can be convinced like HtS to vote because someone else lead it, and vote DYH, he can absolve himslef of blame for the mislynch.
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On December 12 2015 06:41 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter. The most important thing is how ff ask three people to expand his read on dyh. This is the big thing Right but one post you used is actually quite telling about DYH's alignment. He had DYH as town and needed a reason to backtrack on that to ML if need be. One post, FF said "lets say HTS flips red here. What does that make you think of DYH?" I don't think I've ever seen scum mention his entire team in a post like that. The way that post read, its like he wanted someone to imply HTS flipping red implicates DYH flipping red, too. That's suicide as a scumteam, especially now that FF flipped, too. It's like the Kush thing. If he can be convinced like HtS to vote because someone else lead it, and vote DYH, he can absolve himslef of blame for the mislynch.
Can you quote it ?
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On December 12 2015 06:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 06:33 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter. I think I can guess it. Does he mention you too ? He tried to pin the Kush mislynch on me like HtS did. A few times. Kinda spewed me town there lol He tried to attack fidei for that. Why was dyh scumreading disfo and why did he vote him at deadline ?
Not true. He even said that even though Fidei pushed Kush first, that it wasn't until I voted that the floodgates opened onto Kush. He didn't suspect Fidei over it until Fidei defended himself "weirdly.". Makes me think Fid was spewed town, too.
DYH had disfo as a townlean until he read HtS filter and saw her interactions with him vice everyone else in thread and saw them as bland/telling. He also did this before my case on Disfo came but I saw these same things, which makes me think it's very possible that case came from town.
If he's scum, he voted Disfo AFTER Fecal hit 3 votes, effectively hammering him, as well, when he could've voted Trfel to save him. That's why I think both LS and DYH are town here. Either one, if scum, could have voted Trfel to save FF.
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On December 03 2015 08:41 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote:
Fuck it. I'm down. Shenanny onto kush. Let's do it. I'd say since fid's post didn't really get talked about while shining's seemed to trigger the floodgates that shining is more responsible for the voteswitch.Damdred you "voted" fid (not in the vote thread) when you came back to the thread today what's your read on him now that the dust has settled? I think shining asks you this pre deadline but with him trying to start the train does that change anything? Also I'm still a little perplexed by your LS townread. You were hard scumming him and him making a post saying he's VT while people are switching votes 1 min before an active deadline makes him lock town? IDK maybe I operate on another level but 1 minute is a long time when you're at a computer and he could have seen the votes switching.
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On December 04 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote:I think fidei's passive 'switch to kush' wasn't actually trying to start shenanigans but the way he's playing it off now makes it suspicious. Like he says here (in the nested quote) that he didn't think people would follow him ontoi that shitty lynch. If it was shitty... Why was he there?Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:On December 04 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch. Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post? That was weird maybe because it sort of reads like I (a) say you all followed me into the lynch and (b) it actually wasn't my fault. I'm sort of trying to have my cake and eat it. You're right. I wasn't the first person to have the idea, but I probably was the one that caused it. I was wrong and I'm sorry. Then this pandering to me when I call out the post, without actually voicing any concern. Fidei doesn't ask me to explain he knows he looks bad because he's thinking about his image. He even apologizes to me when I literally said nothing of value about his post. The shining, I haven't read his filter tbh but he's got a decent tone in his recent posts that makes me think he's town but I skim a lot lol.HTS was really pushing hard that you(LS) were town and switched to kush pretty easily from what I recall following the EoD before I replaced in. Another filter I'll have to look at. OK so I only have strong feelings on fidei (scummy) right now I will check out HTS and shining
Last 2 posts I made make me think Fidei is town.
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One post, FF said "lets say HTS flips red here. What does that make you think of DYH?"
This one
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On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it  Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH?
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Its interesting you'd ask me to quote that post when you used it in your DYH case...
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On December 12 2015 06:56 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH?
Ff is already busing here. The question is extremely partner indicative
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On December 12 2015 06:57 The Shining wrote:
Its interesting you'd ask me to quote that post when you used it in your DYH case...
Watching a movie bro
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