Haunted Mansion Mini Mafia

On November 24 2015 03:51 NocturneMage wrote:
my biggest beef with dota is that it is crushing on caster heroes compared to league. yes I've tried dota. relatively speaking, longer cooldowns, higher mana costs on average w/each spell, idiotic counters like anti-mage/silencer, yes I know there's shit like regen ring/euls/scepter but some of those items are very costly, hard to get if you aren't getting a lot of kills right away. and shit like pipe/bkb renders you useless late game.

also most casters are relatively frail and more burst damage items/abilities in dota hurt that.

aware there are situational builds for heroes....but the learning curve is steep. too steep.

On November 24 2015 11:35 GlowingBear wrote:
I've played LOL on the beta phase. I just think that DotA feels way more competitive.

I had to stop playing DotA because I was too addicted to it. It's like, I don't dare to touch it, and it has been this way for like 2 years :O

On November 25 2015 07:26 ANickelDrink wrote:
I am fecalfeast. Like I'm sitting here worrying about my typing style and that's just stupid wifom

On November 25 2015 07:56 sicklucker wrote:
FF's logic fam I roll vt everygame so i better smurf to if im mafia no one can figure me out. OH wait I rolled vt again ill just tell you guys who I am now

On November 25 2015 08:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
how's it feasible to rolehunt without reading the op

On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?

On November 25 2015 08:34 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to create a town circle. The rules to join this town circle will be formed tomorrow. I need to think about a flawless system.

First couple of requirements:
1) Keep Koshi entertained. (aka post enough and don't be boring)
2) Call a lot of people mafia, and therefore vote a shitton (You are allowed to vote for Koshi but membership might be revoked, it depends on how I perceive my own play)


I'll find more rules on the way.



PS: it isn't really a towncircle, more a town pyramid and I am on top and you are all on the bottom. That being said, being in the town pyramid makes you a better person.

On November 25 2015 08:37 Koshi wrote:
I could also argue that scott is mafia for not saying he is town in his first post but I won't go there. Improved lifestyle and such.

On November 25 2015 08:30 Koshi wrote:
Was too busy playing Diablo III to see the start of this game.
I rolled town.

I have total interest to play a calm and smooth game though.

On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:

Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?

On November 25 2015 08:47 Chromatically wrote:
And his alignment in previous games wouldn't have an influence on this game at all?

On November 09 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:

All rules are stated in the ruleset, in the spoiler at the end of the first post. However, I will restate the things that differ from usual. This does not dispense you from reading the whole ruleset.

1. The deadline is 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
2. Do not be a dick.
3. No replacements are allowed. Exceptions might be made for exceptionnal circumstances.
4. There is no actitivity requirement; no warning / modkill will be issued on activity.
5. No host / player interaction after the start of the game. PM any question you have to the hosts, and we will make a post about it if we feel all players needs to be aware of the answer. Do not talk about hosts interaction. If you post anything alignment-revelative relative to questions / hosts interaction in thread, you will be modkilled, even if it was a WIFOM attempt.
6. Coaches and hydras are not allowed. Smurfs and shadows are allowed if the hosts are aware of it.
7. No lynch is not allowed. Self voting is allowed. Mafia not using their shot is allowed.
8. Vote / action deadline is XX:59. Any vote / action made at XX:00 is invalid.
9. Voting will be done in the dedicated voting thread found here. Any vote not formated correctly will be considered as not existing. You will be directly modkilled if you fail to vote.
10. You're expected to pass a message to the town after dying; so even after your death, no out-of-game communication is allowed. GG posts are also forbidden. More information will be given to you at the time of your death.

On November 25 2015 08:55 Chromatically wrote:
Alright, but how is him claiming his smurf indicative of him being mafia? You're arguing that he wouldn't have made a smurf just for if he rolled mafia, but that would be a decision he would have made before the game anyway and so it shouldn't impact his alignment.


...okay, but that still has no affect on his alignment here, correct?

On November 25 2015 09:09 Koshi wrote:
##vote ANickelDrink

Brilliancy needs to be rewarded.

On November 25 2015 09:11 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah, I don't get it.


Like this is a decision made before the game starts, how can it be alignment-indicative?

On November 26 2015 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
if i vote sicklucker its me'n'him in a shitflinging fest nobody cares about with extremely limited material to work with that develops into a useless sideshow that if he's maf he can use to say "look i'm scumhunting" by targetting townie ol me.

meanwhile we make a nice wagon on tictock and he gets pressured in a way that should help us read him. It's not like this is a serious lynch wagon. yet.

u know basic mafia things

On November 26 2015 10:07 ANickelDrink wrote:

What do you think of licksucker? He won't respond to me

On November 26 2015 10:14 marvellosity wrote:

that's because it can't be disproven

nor can the alternative valid explanation where he is town though

that's the problem

On November 26 2015 10:21 Koshi wrote:

I also agreed. This pains me. How can you forget our moment?

On November 26 2015 16:49 Tictock wrote:
I have returned.

Sorry boys had some last min stuff come up getting prepared for family to come over tomorrow.

Anyways, I'm back and around till closer to EoD when people start showing up.

I'm not fully caught up but I read a little at work earlier and saw GB and Vivax pushing me for this post.



I didn't state my conclusion as well as I should have I guess. What I was saying is that FF dropping his smurf is weird (SL had a point on that) but that trying to get a read out of that steaming pile of WIFOM is impossible.

Anyways I got some time so I'm just gunna reread this game since it's only 24 pgs. I only recall having vague townfeels on Koshi and SL when I left off.

On November 26 2015 18:14 Tictock wrote:
Sn0 I think has a strong chance of flipping mafia here as well.

He throws out multiple suggestions to lynch a few different people right off the bat, but other than requoting his post about SL doesn't really push any of it.

Hops on my wagon with no imput, then makes this post


Which is wierd, because he claims that his vote on me is to get a better read, but he has no read on me that I've seen. Really just seems like he has experience with SL and is more comfortable pushing an unknown person.


I'm also quite interested in the fact that nobody who called out my post early on commented on this one.


+ Show Spoiler [Compare] +

Seems to me like this post from Sn0 is even more wordy, and goes absolutely nowhere besides saying he's ok waiting to see if Marv does some work. But then later suggests he's unsure about his ability to read Marv



Nowhere in his filter do I see a real from Sn0, just a few suggestions that he's willing to lynch people, but only to "develop reads"

On November 26 2015 21:31 Onegu wrote:




Your tictock read seems fine.

Chrome jumping on OO for the role hunting thing is fairly shit. Why is that something mafia would jump on. I dont think that makes any more sense.


More questions plz.

On November 26 2015 21:54 Tictock wrote:


It's not a backtrack, what?

In the first post I wrote

which was a very poor way of stating my conclusion


Anyways I'm fairly convinced he's town now.

On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:

Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.

Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.

SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.

Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere

On November 27 2015 06:50 Koshi wrote:
I am going to go with marv. It is completely ridiculous but maybe Vivax knows some shit. For me Chrom is 100% mafia.


##unvote
##vote Vivax

Like Marv is right and we lynch mafia. Or he is wrong and Vivax is town and we cross the marv bridge tomorrow. Vivax being town will make me hunt Chrom/TT/Marv like a motherfucker.

On November 27 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me my lynch tomorrow and we are fine

On November 27 2015 19:30 Tictock wrote:


Idc if you were around at EoD, Deadline was weird kus of the holiday

But you parked your vote on Sn0, whats your read on him after reading EoD?

On November 27 2015 21:20 GlowingBear wrote:


This is not the reason anyone scumread him. Read the game and stop playing like old SL or I'll find infinite effort to have you lynched

On November 27 2015 21:20 GlowingBear wrote:


This is not the reason anyone scumread him. Read the game and stop playing like old SL or I'll find infinite effort to have you lynched

On November 27 2015 22:38 GlowingBear wrote:


Yeah but no, I have fair reasons to scumread you

On November 27 2015 23:55 marvellosity wrote:
+ every time you're town you are way more inclined to interact with marv, making him read your scumreads or at least bouncing some ideas, and I also don't see you doing it here.

that's not really true.

i have long and varied memories of being ignored by sl :p

On November 28 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, that list disregard any association since I need a flip first.

On November 28 2015 00:18 marvellosity wrote:

i was after, in particular, his actions around deadline, which is what you said

as he was the player most interested in the lynch, by far. even including me

and it's not like he was interested to push it off a mafia vivax, he just cared about the lynch

so i wanna know what you mean by that

On November 28 2015 01:07 GlowingBear wrote:


I strongly disagree this time, especially if I consider that TT is Mafia. I've done it before: a scum partner was up for the lynch for a long time and I was trying to push someone else. When I realised that wasn't working, I've pulled this card out. I don't remember if it worked, tho. I don't even remember the game. But I remember it happened.

If Tictock is Mafia then it makes perfect sense that SL tried to distance himself from TT by having weak suspicions on him. When the wagon got real, keep on pushing FF or even Sn0 was a good choice. When none of this works, all he had to do was pulling that card.

This actually reinforces my two scum reads who originally had no association. feels good

On November 28 2015 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Slight suspicions only cast at 09:45pm:

+ Show Spoiler +

Town read at 10:08pm

+ Show Spoiler +

Meh... I don't know, I can't take a townread out of that although I understand what you say...

Argh...

It still feels to me that he only went to the voting thread, saw tictock was really the main wagon and came back with that theory. 20 minutes is enough for a mafia to have that thought process. He was scumreading FF and Sn0 before that.

Anyway, again, that will only work if Tictock is in fact mafia.

I'll save this discussion for when his flip happens.

On November 28 2015 19:58 Onegu wrote:
Also taking pain meds currently

On November 28 2015 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:

ok

##vote sn0

On November 28 2015 23:51 Tictock wrote:


Considering we have no guarantees about what those Spirits are exactly, trying to pull information from them seems like a bad idea.

The notion of them being lynched ppl vs NKs respectively makes sense, but only hosts and possibly scum know for sure.

On November 29 2015 15:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I AM DRUUUUUUUUUUNK

SCUM TEAM IS OO SNO AND SCOTT

BYE BYE

DRUNK AENSES NOT SO SURE ON OO THO

On November 30 2015 05:59 ANickelDrink wrote:
not much reading to do ##vote sn0_man good call especially since the spirit seems to agree

On November 30 2015 06:48 Tictock wrote:
SL are you gunna throw your vote away again?

On November 30 2015 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Shit he is town

On November 30 2015 12:14 Koshi wrote:
Just go for OO next. Scum made it so that vote switch couldn't happen.

On November 30 2015 13:39 Chromatically wrote:
is FF still mostly based off of the smurf thing? can't find it in your filter

On November 30 2015 13:41 Chromatically wrote:

me probably, lol

On November 30 2015 13:41 Chromatically wrote:

me probably, lol

On November 30 2015 13:52 sicklucker wrote:


damn tho that could acualy be pure. i still kind of doubt it... but if he is mafia your probably with him :D

On November 30 2015 13:52 Chromatically wrote:

Ehhhhh I don't think I agree with that point, I argued against your logic because I disagreed with it so I can understand where that would be coming from.

On December 01 2015 07:36 ObviousOne wrote:
in the theoretical world where i'm mafia, i shoot one of gb/koshi/chrom and not you

On December 01 2015 07:35 ObviousOne wrote:
also i would not have shot you for asking to be shot with a hidden mechanic that i would theoretically know about were i mafia

On December 01 2015 13:07 Koshi wrote:

So basically I am now in believe that there is information around the shot on sl. Why was sl shot and not Koshi/GB or Chrom?
I was in no danger to be lynched, you were in no danger to be lynched, gb was in no real danger to be lynched (TT only)

So why should SL and not anybody else? Mafia had the win after 1 more ml if ghosts didn't save, so obviously their greed took over and they shot with a purpose. Now I wonder what that purpose is.


Now why are you mafia:
In my head OO is always mafia, but if he is, why wouldn't they shoot you? ofcourse... This is all wifom. But still. I am just not having enough people to call mafia atm.

Onegu. OO. Scott. But after that? I got to hit the active people. Who would be the first to go out? Who goes in?


I was not shot. Does that mean I am totally wrong on TT and GB? The first time I said it out of dumbness and because it is so odd that D1 GB pushed TT so hard, and then made so many association reads with TT during the night, and then D2 it was the other way around were TT was going FUCKING MENTAL even before snow flipped.

Like... GB called me mafia because I voted Vivax and not TT. And then TT calls me mafia for voting OO and telling him the GB lynch was completely out of reach D2.

dnu. Odd shit.

On December 01 2015 13:18 Koshi wrote:
marv said to GB that SL and TT were never both mafia. I wondered why he died. Could be it.

On December 01 2015 16:24 sicklucker wrote:
idk i make dumb tells like that all the time and no one gives it any credit. its a useful tool

On December 01 2015 13:20 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, GB tried to influence marv the entire night.

First tried to call me mafia --> marv smacked him away (and called me town btw, it is good to remember this)
Then tried to call both SL/TT mafia --> (marv smacked him away, didn't believe both would ever be mafia, and sl most likely town)


Must be annoying for a scum GB :D

On December 01 2015 19:06 Tictock wrote:


I think that's definitely a possibility.

##Unvoteing Koshi, was mostly a vote for pressure so he'd at least make some sense when proposing teams and shit. Like the notion that GB is scum pushing both his teammates the whole game is total garbage imo.

@ GB, why are you pushing Scott now?

FF had a pretty good point about your statement that "you thought about Shenanies onto Scott" but you basically ignored him D1 and D2, only mentioned your desire to lynch him after the Sn0 flip.

Then again, idk if i trust FF anymore. As town he picks up as the game gets on, here he is slowing down. Even after his post that "Mafia is trying to incriminate me with that shot" there is nothing, no followup, no passion.

Ehh it doesn't make much sense for FF to push GB after EoD like he did if they are mafia together though...

On December 02 2015 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:


You can't rest assured the benevolent spirit is marv

On October 20 2015 11:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi I'm drunk

On October 20 2015 14:21 GlowingBear wrote:
My drunk senses says that sicklucker is totes mafia
And that FF might be town.

Maybe

On October 20 2015 14:22 GlowingBear wrote:
My drunk senses is saying that Moosy is town

But I beg to differ

I don't see town Moosy voting with his top scumread.

Anyway the senses says he is town

On October 20 2015 14:24 GlowingBear wrote:
My drunk senses also called Vonthin mafia

And it doesn't make sense

But they called him mafia

My kynch tomorrow will be sickfucker

On October 20 2015 14:28 GlowingBear wrote:
God I drank too much

On October 20 2015 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Listen to mr

Lych sicklucker

You csnt go wrong

On October 20 2015 21:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Hello

My (slightly) hangover senses points out to rels being mafia.

That makes a combo of rels and sicklucker

And if you consider Moosy doosy voted with his main scum read, I would put him in the team.

But sicklucker makes more sense if he is with Eversince. I don't know.

I have a tendency to believe that wagons so close to each other always means one is mafia. Which isn't always true, but yeah, I have this tendency.

But really, rels insistence in sheeping/RNG looks so forced, I can't possibly believe he is town.

On November 29 2015 15:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I AM DRUUUUUUUUUUNK

SCUM TEAM IS OO SNO AND SCOTT

BYE BYE

DRUNK AENSES NOT SO SURE ON OO THO

On November 29 2015 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:
MAYBS BOXERFRED

ONEGU IS TOWN ACCORDINGLY TO DRUNK SENSES

I LUV U

On December 02 2015 17:39 Koshi wrote:
Day 3 is bussday anyway.
Paranoia is fine but I got to stick with what I know this game. Quick and dirty:

3. TicTock - Made some townie post. Enough to not be lynched over Onegu/OO/fefe/scott
4. Chromatically - Townmeld early D3, had him as mafia D1 but he showed town and I don't think he buddied me
6. Onegu - If this guy is town, if, then I don't understand what he is doing. So he wants his meta to be this utter shit? I cannot believe it because than what is the fun in playing as mafia? Really. I cannot not lynch this guy down the pipeline. Meta or not. I really have problems with how he plays if he is town here. Like... on human levels.
8. ObviousOne - Dumbtell? Maybe, but can I lynch GB or TT over this guy?
9. GlowingBear - Great D1, marv had him as town, during night 1 fell off, never recovered. First of the active people I might consider.
10. ANickelDrink - Hasn't done shit, really hated his EoD1, hasn't done anything since, afk scumteam? We can't really not lynch him at this point tbh. He is like snow. Just vote away the cancer. If it is town... Nobody cares.
11. scott31337 - Doing nothing else than vote, again, I don't understand why he signs up for this game and he should be banned, this is not the standard of play I like to see on TL, what if there is more people like this in games? Well we found out with Onegu, boxerfred and scott. The game is not as fun like this... Just ban these people. This is not mafia, or it is, but not on TL standards, just vote this cancer away, I don't really care his alignment, I don't lose to mafia like this. I prefer to give a mafia who actually typed 1 sentence a win then to give this guy a win even though he is town with me. Pure fucking cancer.
13. sicklucker - conf town, why was he shot? Look my posts on that.

On December 03 2015 00:56 Koshi wrote:


Or is it the timing of how all the confirmed townies voted for fefe? Was there exactly 2557 seconds between each vote? Illuminati confirmed?

Am I reading this wrong?


So a bunch of confirmed towns and a townread vote for a guy. GB does not want to lynch this guy because the piling on is suspicious. However, GB thinks the person who is voted on is top 3 mafia. And the 3 people who haven't voted yet are his top 3 mafia reads. (Which can be deduced by his reads and the fact it is an outrage if GB is voted out before Onegu)

On December 03 2015 17:31 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, GB is more likely town for that push on SL for the fefe thing. Would be really bold to do it as mafia.

Day 4: Onegu
Day 5: Scott
Day 6: OO


at this point.

On December 03 2015 23:57 Koshi wrote:
Just got to figure out it can't be OO + GB as last 2. Because they are both not really working towards a lylo GB vs OO.

On November 27 2015 06:56 Half the Sky wrote:


Vivax (5): Tictock, sicklucker, marvellosity, GlowingBear, Chromatically, boxerfred, Koshi
Tictock (4): GlowingBear, Vivax, Koshi, Sn0_Man, scott31337, GlowingBear, Sn0_Man
Koshi (1): Onegu, marvellosity
Onegu (1): ObviousOne
Sn0_Man (1): sicklucker
Chromatically (0): sicklucker, Koshi, ANickelDrink
boxerfred (0): ANickelDrink
ANickelDrink (0): Koshi, sicklucker
ObviousOne (0): Chromatically, ANickelDrink

Im Moment werden wir Vivax von der Tour ausschließen!
Dieser Tag endet in um 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

Bitte geben Sie ihre Stimme hier ab.
Wir werden nur Stimmen berücksichtigen die von dem Stimmzähler erfasst wurden.
(Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.)

Beachten Sie bitte die Wahlfrist! Wenn nicht Sie nicht abstimmen, werden sie vom Spiel entfernt werden.
(Please mind the deadline. Failure to vote will result in a modkill.)

On December 04 2015 08:30 Koshi wrote:

I know, but after that it is mylo.

But I just understood your "let's lynch Chrom" post wrongly. I thought you meant we got another ml to lynch Chrom with.

On December 05 2015 06:18 Onegu wrote:
You guys have any acutal questions for me to try and figure out my alignment?

On December 05 2015 09:30 Koshi wrote:
I had a brilliant idea earlier today but I forgot it. Anyway other things I was pondering about.

1) Was I targeted because I see GB as town? Before Onegu and OO

Oh now I remember.
The song fefe choose. "I hate you"
I wonder if it was based on the fact I should have died and I called Onegu/Scott Trash that should be banned from TL. Maybe they are all mad in their QT.

On November 30 2015 06:44 Rels wrote:


Sn0_Man (5): Koshi, ObviousOne, Tictock, sicklucker, scott31337, Vengeful Spirits, ANickelDrink, Tictock
ObviousOne (3): Chromatically, Koshi, GlowingBear, Koshi, Sn0_Man, ANickelDrink
ANickelDrink (1): Koshi, sicklucker
Koshi (1): Onegu
GlowingBear (0): Tictock

Nicht abgestimmt (3): boxerfred, Benevolent Ghosts, GlowingBear

Im Moment werden wir Sn0_Man von der Tour ausschließen!
Dieser Tag endet in um 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

Bitte geben Sie ihre Stimme hier ab.
Wir werden nur Stimmen berücksichtigen die von dem Stimmzähler erfasst wurden.
(Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.)

Beachten Sie bitte die Wahlfrist! Wenn nicht Sie nicht abstimmen, werden sie vom Spiel entfernt werden.
(Please mind the deadline. Failure to vote will result in a modkill.)

On December 06 2015 10:07 Koshi wrote:
hahaha. There are actually pretty big clues in fefe his filter that scott was mafia with him. Kinda hilarious. Like how he tries to pressure GB for mentioning he (GB) wanted to do a shennnies on Scott.

and fefe is like: "why didn't you start saying it earlier". Like... He knew scott is mafia and is somehow using that info to make GB look worse:





There is a bit more... I really don't think GB is mafia because of this? I already didn't think it but this entire chain is really odd between 2 mafia.

On December 06 2015 11:47 Onegu wrote:



I went into the hospital during night 2... Did you read my sig?

On December 07 2015 07:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Wait this is weird