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On November 27 2015 06:26 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2015 06:24 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 27 2015 06:22 Sn0_Man wrote:
whats "if im scum" got to do with that? Well if you're town you don't have outside information and my point is moot asdlfkj;lsdfhkl;jsdfa how do u base a scummy point on "this poitn is only valid if he's scum but"
I haven't read your filter and never made a conclusion about your alignment. Also, my point IS only valid if you're scum.
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When did I say that
I said if you;re scum both wagons are probably town
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You're correct sn0 I never said that in as many words.
On November 27 2015 06:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2015 06:13 ANickelDrink wrote:
Koshi can you point out things I've missed on chrome?
-Tictock avoids talking about him even though he does the same thing as GB and vivax
-marv doesn't talk about chrome
-OO gives chrome an easy town read? More of an agreement with GB
-your scumteam in marv/TT/chrome are all on vivax
-Chrome votes with two of his suspects
That's not a bad list tbh but I think it relies too heavily on association.
I'm more uncomfortable about BF being on vivax than anything at this point Show nested quote +On November 27 2015 05:13 Koshi wrote:Chrom has way more of those really unspoken reads: On November 25 2015 12:42 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 12:27 ANickelDrink wrote:like if it's not alignment indicative then he can't really push the discussion anywhere since there's nowhere for it to go. If he had just said "I see what you mean but..." instead of "You have a point" it would be saying the same thing, no? besides he actually said On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:
Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now. I guess my problem with the post is more of the fact that it says nothing at all in so many lines. It's not so much that it's a contradiction -> "gg ez scum", but more of the fact that he says "you might have a point" and then waffles for a while and then says "possibly NAI". That is mafia knowing he is talking bullshit and then goes "I guess it could be this" (but in practice he knows it isn't) On November 25 2015 12:37 Chromatically wrote:
sicklucker I'm not sure about. I agree he could be mafia for his push over something which I agree wasn't alignment indicative, but I liked that he didn't back down about it when he came under pressure.
Ticktock I agree with your point, plus he just kind of came in and posted those non-opinions on FF and then peaced out.
Koshi I don't have a read on.
Look at how he talks about sl, same shit again: I can see your point BUT yabbyabbayabba. A townie would not always see 2 sides of the story like Chrom seems to do. Especially at the start of the game. dnu, looks like he is pushing an agenda with the TT/Vivax stuff as well. Suddenly he jumps on that topic and NOTHING IS LEFT ABOUT HIS OO READ? He doesn't even mention it. What is your opinion on this?
I see what you mean. I think your first point about him knowing he's talking shit is a better point than him having seen both sides of the story in your second quote. I get that townies don't have info and seeing both sides of the story could be born of extra info but just that he is considering both sides isn't scum indicative imo.
His dropping of OO is kinda odd but it's not like OO is being at all consequential this game. His vote in on a plynch AFKer and he hasn't really brought anything to the table. Either chrome forgot about him or I see your point about those two being partners.
I have to go to work and I start exatcly at deadline.
Koshi you and your 8 page filter have my sword.
##unvote
##vote chromatically
For all the good it will do anyway
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On November 27 2015 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
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not like it was a surprise to you, was it?
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Had to go to work, thought maybe shenanigans would happen while I was gone
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Man if I had a gun sn0 would be blasted tonight
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What does you getting lynched as a smurf have to do with my alignment?
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On November 28 2015 05:35 sicklucker wrote:
but ff only gets town so hes smurfing for town reasons so that point is mute
You actually think this makes sense don't you?
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@TT(tinfoil) I still haven't read EoD from the last time I posted until I woke up and sheeped koshi.
Hey there's an idea
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On November 26 2015 20:14 Tictock wrote:
Also FF, I'm onto you
lol first post after I went to bed
elaborate
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On November 26 2015 23:51 sicklucker wrote:
WELL HEY MARV IM GOING AFK FOR THE ENTIRE DAY IN LIKE 3 MINUTES AGO. I DONT CARE WHO DIES EXCEPT I DONT RLY WANT IT TO BE TICKTOCK BECAUSE . Who do i vote?
lol
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On November 28 2015 06:18 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2015 04:06 Chromatically wrote:Just to expand on OO: On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
this feels like the slowest day 1 I've been a part of on this site in ages, if not ever. not for lack of posts but for lack of substance. i thought the wordy derpy phase we had at the start was indicative of a bunch of people who wanted to talk but that doesn't seem to be the case. this has led to an environment where the mafia don't have to post at all to blend in, because so few topics have been discussed. i know obviously i'm a part of this particular problem, but it's also become something of a systemic issue.
koshi who is arguably one of the greater forces in this game has it in his head that people will run his errands, which is fine as a character but is kind of silly to expect anyone to jump however high it is he expects. his effort to assert dominance can have subtle effects on the game. a sort of bystander effect where everyone who wants the same information might end up waiting for another person to do it, therefore nobody does it, and nothing is accomplished. the paradigm that comes along with setting himself up as the tip of the power pyramid which may or may no be in jest, i've played with koshi before and he's had a similar attitude about things. nobody wants or needs to challenge him so the whole thing is hollow anyway. like i said before, plenty of room in the shadows with the rest of us.
the issue with having marv in game is that everyone expects godly-play town or shitty-play mafia, when it's probably a bit of both that he's aiming for. posting less when town and slightly more than he feels comfortable with as mafia is how he gets to balance his play so he's not immediately outed when he's mafia. no idea what his alignment is and really nobody should care what he does until he, you know, does something. more useless conversation around this topic. Read this rant, and then look through OO's filter, especially after he makes this post, and see how inconsistent it is. This really feels like OO faking emotion to make it seem like he cares about the game. I don't think anyone so obviously uninvested in this game supposedly cares so much about it. On November 26 2015 11:26 ObviousOne wrote:
brace yourselves
thanksgiving is coming
i guess that's why i got the mail reminding me to vote. anyone looking for sheeple? On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
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i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing.
tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now
sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess.
boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today.
fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which.
as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment.
feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game.
honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever
strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess
{boxer onegu} strongerest
{sn0 SL fefe} less stronk
{tictock scott vivax} middling
{everyone else}
oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel
i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt
between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny
#vote: onegu I could just be reading into this too much, but I thought it was really weird how he comes back to the thread with a nonchalant attitude, asking people who he should sheep. Then, in the next post is a giant list with a bunch of back-and-forth reads, ending with a vote on Onegu (?). Those are two different mindsets ("hey I'll sheep someone" vs "look at me I'm trying"), which I think makes more sense from mafia who wanted to act like they were contributing but forgot that it was inconsistent with their attitude. (you can ignore this if you think it's stretching, it was just something I felt) I think this is the most important point:He votes Onegu out of nowhere and then peaces out for a while. Then, when he comes back and it's clear that Onegu isn't happening (the votes were 4 Vivax - 2 TicTock, no one talking about Onegu), he doesn't consolidate or take a stance on the lynch at all like he claimed he would in the above post. Actually, he never actually takes a stance on the lynch of Vivax vs TicTock, even when it's really clear that those are the wagons. This shows him being really disconnected from the thread, just popping in to make a "contribution" when needed. Other stuff: He's very interested in posting whenever people express suspicion of him (happens both with me and with FF). I don't think the points I had against him earlier were weak either (jumped on the rolehunting comment and had a bad explanation for it, overreacted to suspicion). Chrome, I agree with most of things you say about OO. If I lynch him would you give me my lynch?
See, I was super excited that I had such a strong town toneread on your day one that a went and found that bear mask from a while ago.
It's still here I'm just not sure I want to put it on anymore, you know?
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On November 27 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote:
the problem is, TT has produced the most content by far and you're not evaluating any of it, you're just stuck on one post from earlier that you sheeped off
you also casually drop this "marv (and tt, chrome) for endgame credit" which i find totally unbelievable.
Specifically "to avoid chaos" ?
The game is SO. GOD. DAMN. SLOW. what fucking chaos? the game could DO with some chaos. I don't think you think any of it, I think you just wrote it to bullshit.
ergo you are mafia
lol I know this is on vivax but it makes so much sense. Which makes me worry that marv is doing the thing where he's good at mafia...
Where did I put my foil..
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On November 28 2015 06:23 Tictock wrote:
Sheeple:
boxerfred: Pretty much at the same lv of contribution as Onegu, but he's thrown out the excuse of having tonsillitis.
No way to have a real read, my gut feeling is that he's town.
Hope you feel better dude, and please give us something to go on when ya do.
Scott: Weaker filter than either BF or Onegu. Literally only throws out a townread on GB and sheeps him.
Considering Scott made a post earlier on where he questioned GB's read on me it seems really odd that he would sheep GB on that same read without considering anything else.
Scott is typically a low volume poster, but he usually puts at least one big reads post or comments about multiple people/things. This feels more like he is struggling to contribute anything to the game.
Was gunna do a read on Sn0 here too, but it's gunna have to wait till after daypost. My initial read hasn't really changed, in fact I was planning to push Sn0 as my main D1 lynch if Vivax's reaction to my vote hadn't been so bad.
I'm a sucker for RL excuses he said he was having a fight and that usually means a lover's spat or a physical confrontation and either one would make me give absolutely 0 fucks about mafia.
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On November 28 2015 06:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2015 06:22 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 28 2015 06:18 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2015 04:06 Chromatically wrote:Just to expand on OO: On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
this feels like the slowest day 1 I've been a part of on this site in ages, if not ever. not for lack of posts but for lack of substance. i thought the wordy derpy phase we had at the start was indicative of a bunch of people who wanted to talk but that doesn't seem to be the case. this has led to an environment where the mafia don't have to post at all to blend in, because so few topics have been discussed. i know obviously i'm a part of this particular problem, but it's also become something of a systemic issue.
koshi who is arguably one of the greater forces in this game has it in his head that people will run his errands, which is fine as a character but is kind of silly to expect anyone to jump however high it is he expects. his effort to assert dominance can have subtle effects on the game. a sort of bystander effect where everyone who wants the same information might end up waiting for another person to do it, therefore nobody does it, and nothing is accomplished. the paradigm that comes along with setting himself up as the tip of the power pyramid which may or may no be in jest, i've played with koshi before and he's had a similar attitude about things. nobody wants or needs to challenge him so the whole thing is hollow anyway. like i said before, plenty of room in the shadows with the rest of us.
the issue with having marv in game is that everyone expects godly-play town or shitty-play mafia, when it's probably a bit of both that he's aiming for. posting less when town and slightly more than he feels comfortable with as mafia is how he gets to balance his play so he's not immediately outed when he's mafia. no idea what his alignment is and really nobody should care what he does until he, you know, does something. more useless conversation around this topic. Read this rant, and then look through OO's filter, especially after he makes this post, and see how inconsistent it is. This really feels like OO faking emotion to make it seem like he cares about the game. I don't think anyone so obviously uninvested in this game supposedly cares so much about it. On November 26 2015 11:26 ObviousOne wrote:
brace yourselves
thanksgiving is coming
i guess that's why i got the mail reminding me to vote. anyone looking for sheeple? On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
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i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing.
tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now
sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess.
boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today.
fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which.
as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment.
feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game.
honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever
strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess
{boxer onegu} strongerest
{sn0 SL fefe} less stronk
{tictock scott vivax} middling
{everyone else}
oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel
i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt
between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny
#vote: onegu I could just be reading into this too much, but I thought it was really weird how he comes back to the thread with a nonchalant attitude, asking people who he should sheep. Then, in the next post is a giant list with a bunch of back-and-forth reads, ending with a vote on Onegu (?). Those are two different mindsets ("hey I'll sheep someone" vs "look at me I'm trying"), which I think makes more sense from mafia who wanted to act like they were contributing but forgot that it was inconsistent with their attitude. (you can ignore this if you think it's stretching, it was just something I felt) I think this is the most important point:He votes Onegu out of nowhere and then peaces out for a while. Then, when he comes back and it's clear that Onegu isn't happening (the votes were 4 Vivax - 2 TicTock, no one talking about Onegu), he doesn't consolidate or take a stance on the lynch at all like he claimed he would in the above post. Actually, he never actually takes a stance on the lynch of Vivax vs TicTock, even when it's really clear that those are the wagons. This shows him being really disconnected from the thread, just popping in to make a "contribution" when needed. Other stuff: He's very interested in posting whenever people express suspicion of him (happens both with me and with FF). I don't think the points I had against him earlier were weak either (jumped on the rolehunting comment and had a bad explanation for it, overreacted to suspicion). Chrome, I agree with most of things you say about OO. If I lynch him would you give me my lynch? See, I was super excited that I had such a strong town toneread on your day one that a went and found that bear mask from a while ago. It's still here I'm just not sure I want to put it on anymore, you know? OH PLEASE DO IT FF IT HAS BEEN AGES SINCE YOU DID IT
I only wear the face of locked-in townreads nowadays. I'll let you know. I've got a couple suspicions. Let me check you out a little more after I finish looking at eod
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Oh yeah I'll take a pic of that when I get to work lol it's from an old pepsi ad I'm not creative
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On November 27 2015 02:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
sl sounds like a rayn smurf
lol rayn has much better grammar
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