[T][M] Resistance V - Section 31

On October 31 2015 04:00 sicklucker wrote:
ok

On November 03 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:

LOL dumbtell 2000
Everything is layed out in the OP

On November 03 2015 18:11 Rels wrote:

Is it secret ?

On November 03 2015 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis let's do the play of 2015 and win the game by nominating all scum team on mission 1.

On November 03 2015 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

HtS team was herself, me and kitaman.

On November 03 2015 22:21 Half the Sky wrote:


Why?

On November 03 2015 22:27 Xatalos wrote:
Roflmao :D

Do you expect to be 100% townread based on not giving a fuck? Just to clarify, I'd still lean town on you because you didn't really seem to care about your chances of being included on a mission...

On November 03 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:


And you are saying that's unreasonable for town?

On November 03 2015 22:31 Xatalos wrote:
That's a pretty shitty heuristic... By that logic, do you 100% townread Artanis because he didn't do much yesterday?

On November 04 2015 01:28 Rels wrote:
A part of HTS' play that makes no sense coming from town

HTS was willing to nominate a team without herself yesterday. She didn't do it in the end, but she mentionned it multiple times. Furthermore, she recently said to Xatalos (the next leader in line) that she was OK not being part of his team if he found someone else.

This makes no sense from a town perspective for three reasons:

1.
You're only 100% sure of your alignment in this game. To form a 3-men team you're confident in, having one 100% confirmed townie in it is extremely rassuring. Proof: kita's maths about whether town leaders should include themselves in their team or not. At random, you go from 36% success rate to 18%. Now you won't pick your team at random; but it makes no sense to consider removing yourself from your team, or suggesting to not be part of a team, since the chances of the team succeeding goes up by a lot.

2.
If you're scum, the team will fail. So it makes sense to consider removing yourself from your own team if you're scum, 'cause that seems logical to you, even if you pretend being town in thread.

3.
Lastly, it means HTS is more concerned about having a team being accepted than having a team succeeding. She wants to be read as town, and for that she's OK submitting a team that is agreed upon by the thread sentiment, even if that means she is not part of the team herself. For an example of this, I bolded a particular sentence in the third quote below.

I actually thought rayn was baiting HTS to do it yesterday in this post:

But that wasn't the case.

Sources:



Right before deadline + thread sentiment excuse:

Talking about Xatalos' team:

On November 04 2015 01:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, that has to be one of the worst posts I've ever read in my time on TL mafia. I normally don't make those types of statements but what you've said shows you've never played Resistance before, or you're trying to very seriously reach for a way to scumread me.

First, none of what you said has made me mafia. Zero. From RL resistance, there are situations where you don't want to have yourself on the team. There is nothing wrong with pushing to get the team you have accepted (even without yourself on it) provided you have the right thinking - yes you are obviously most sure of yourself, there's no denying that, but if you put someone else on, a good town will take you to task to make sure you aren't putting a scumbuddy on. I am not oblivious to that fact.

If you're town, which I am, and there's a group that doesn't trust you on the team, the only way you're going to show that you are town or even get people to remotely trust you is to go scumhunting and put up three people that you've done some reliable legwork on, show you don't have an agenda as to who you are putting up. There's nothing wrong with swapping yourself out for people that are more universally townread provided you have a basis for doing so. If you cannot sell yourself for being on the team for whatever reason or if people are less sure of you as opposed to others then that is one of a few arguments to not have yourself on a team. If I want to test out a group of people (not the case here as it's the first mission) to try and PoE someone that's another reason to leave yourself off since you know what you are.

Is it suboptimal? In some cases, yes. Is it risky? Of course, you're most sure of yourself. Does it make someone mafia? LOL no.

It's not rocket science. If people can't see what you're working with then that's on the rest of town (just as how a lynched townie and the town shame some proportion of blame).

If anyone wants to argue that I do have an agenda in who I am putting up or my reads are malicious, etc etc that's different but that isn't the argument you are making.

My concern isn't really looking good - I've said at least twice now that if my team fails, big deal. My concern is being transparent enough to be read as town and if I can't get on teams, make sure the right people do. *yawn*

rayn is fine asking me to provide multiple reads. I saw nothing wrong with that. It will be critical for future missions when we need more people.

And once my teams were posted anyone can read the thread, follow up that no one is going to see it get passed and there's nothing wrong or mafia about talking about the next team and utilising your time so that the first mission is assembled right. I can't change my lineup and the discussion on Kita (between rayn/Xata/myself) as to why Kita wasn't a safe pick was fine as discussions on the next team. There is no reason that in of itself makes anyone mafia. It is entirely possible that in this next 24 hours I may find a reason to doubt my own picks. (Less time to decide the teams (24 hours) means that the chances of the team being flawed is higher than our standard 48 hour timeframes to lynch mafia in our normal games.)

The first mission is really important to get right if you know the mechanics of resistance, there were 7h left in the phase, thread isn't as collectively active as it could be at points, so I'm working with what I have. If I want to think ahead to the next phase, there's no reason that makes anyone mafia, me or whoever.

Maybe you have never played Resistance, but wow, I didn't think you'd bottom out like that, but somehow you managed to prove me wrong.

Even rayn said earlier that there are situations you don't want to have yourself on the team so I'm surprised (unless I missed it) you haven't jumped on that point at the time it was made.

Not surprised though, considering you are likely a spy. *yawn*

On November 04 2015 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also Kita is town by sheer effort and all that meta business.

On November 05 2015 01:26 Superbia wrote:


Perhaps you are right in this argument. In any case we should probably not pursue it any further now as it will not help me evaluate Rels in any sort of way.

Kita is still up in the air at this point, he's not in my town circle. (My PoE scum list is: Rels, Shockey, Kita, Sicklucker, HtS/maybe you)
I'm mostly going off the votes here:
- There's a general feel that it is obvious most people will vote no- so scum (as having no QT) are more likely to vote with the general consensus (not sticking out etc.).
- Mafia are very likely to vote yes on a mission with a mafia. Unless the consensus is against it. Consensus takes heavy priority over everything for mafia.
- Mafia are somewhat likely to vote no on a mission with only town. They can vote yes to look good, especially early on. This can very easily go against consensus ("see, I told you the mission would pass!").
- Mafia are very likely to vote no on a mission with only town, if the situation is dire.
- Stand out vote is usually either trolly or complete confidence. I don't think shockey was/had either.

So:

If the team consisted of town, and my PoE is correct:
- Mafia is likely:
Rels, shockey, sicklucker.

If the team had a mafia, and my PoE is correct:
- Mafia is likely:
Rels, Kita, Shockey/SL.
OR
Rels, HtS (who would attempt to frame Kita), shockey/SL.

Alternate world would include both HtS and Kita but eh. Could be, but I don't think so atm. I think rayn's argument as to kita trying to influence the team a lot near deadline is good. I think the fact that none of the team-members votes for the team to pass leans towards a scum being on the team (scum votes as consensus, town votes what they believe, the fact that no one in the team believed therefore leans me more towards a scum being in the team).

On November 05 2015 01:43 Superbia wrote:


I'm not sure what SL's scum-play is there days. I think it's usually pretty easy to read him if he's not lurking. The fact that he's not coming up with weird ass logic/strategies this game is troubling.

On November 05 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

All the scum ppl dont want sl so he is a good pick.

On November 05 2015 08:17 Superbia wrote:


Like what?

On November 05 2015 09:13 kitaman27 wrote:




Since this post infers that you didn't see the xatalos analysis until now....why does super need an excuse to reject the SL/xat/rayn team if you thought xat was scum?

Wouldn't a scum super be happy to pass the team you thought had a spy in it?

On November 05 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote:


Hmmm somewhat dangerous sentiment if we might be collectively wrong on one player. Eh....could be reading too much into this.

But in post 917, he says he's going to veto any Xatalos (I assume he infers on the team Xatalos being on the team). So how does he know or realise - from his own POV - he wouldn't submit a scumbuddy and then goes to say that it's a "likely" town circle of 4 instead of 3 when it's possible (again I bring this point up from before) that someone who passes a first mission who is spy can always fail a subsequent mission later.

If he doesn't trust Xatalos on a team and then suggests Artanis wouldn't have the balls to fail it then he jumps to a likely town circle of 4 people....

....it's quite illogical.

Mafia motivated? Thoughts?

On November 05 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote:


Hmmm somewhat dangerous sentiment if we might be collectively wrong on one player. Eh....could be reading too much into this.

But in post 917, he says he's going to veto any Xatalos (I assume he infers on the team Xatalos being on the team). So how does he know or realise - from his own POV - he wouldn't submit a scumbuddy and then goes to say that it's a "likely" town circle of 4 instead of 3 when it's possible (again I bring this point up from before) that someone who passes a first mission who is spy can always fail a subsequent mission later.

If he doesn't trust Xatalos on a team and then suggests Artanis wouldn't have the balls to fail it then he jumps to a likely town circle of 4 people....

....it's quite illogical.

Mafia motivated? Thoughts?

On November 05 2015 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:


You called xata scum though at that point. So it wasn't an all town team from your perspective. Yet you scum read him for wanting to reject it anyways.

On November 05 2015 18:45 Rels wrote:

Oh. This makes sense with this:

On November 06 2015 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well he's gonna vote yes since we are all mafia, then we just don't send any of us into next missions and his town wins.
EZPZ. Unless he wants to claim scum ofc..

On November 06 2015 01:25 Rels wrote:
Leaving work soon. Voting no atm. Going to the theater tonight so won't be active tonigth! My vote won't change unless this happen:

+ SL explains the kita's question, 'cause actually his explanation makes no sense.

Superbia you have one question waiting for you.
SL you have one question from kita waiting for you.
rayn you have one admittance + 3 questions just for you. Lucky you!

On November 06 2015 08:00 Tictock wrote:
Day 1
Xatalos Nomination (Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker)
Vote Result

Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO

MISSION IS APPROVED

Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, and sicklucker will be embarking on Mission 1
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 6 November 2015.

On November 06 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote:
Hmmmm not sure if that makes sense - the disassociation part.

So SL is doing jack shit and Rels isn't digging SL.

SL has never been logical or together really, as either alignment.

Ugh, I need to get on my desktop.

I think at this point I'm confident I'm doing the right thing with my vote though.

On November 06 2015 08:23 Superbia wrote:


What? I didn't downvote bc I have SL as a scum-read. He was in my PoE non-town circle somewhere at the end. I downvoted because there is literally no reason for the team to go right now. I'd rather collect more votes.

On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:

The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said:

On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:


I'll try to make it as simple as possible:

1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL
2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team
3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat

How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL?

On November 07 2015 08:23 kitaman27 wrote:
One idea that I'm toying with is a Xata + Artanis team.

It made much more sense for a town Xata to nominate Artanis from his position I would think. Him not doing so may suggest that he didn't want a double spy team day one. Need to evaluate if his reasoning to nominate SL over Artanis makes sense.

On November 07 2015 10:04 Xatalos wrote:
I think me and rayn should still go on the next mission... Who else were you considering, Artanis? I'm not really very confident on anyone being town atm besides being pretty confident on rayn...

On November 07 2015 10:08 Rels wrote:

How likely do you think it is ,

On November 07 2015 10:13 Xatalos wrote:


Could you answer my earlier question?

On November 07 2015 10:18 Xatalos wrote:


Why the heck would you, as town, think that it was your fault? >.> If you were town, you should be pushing for the other two, or at least one of them, to be excluded. That mindset is just... hard to imagine for town really.

On November 07 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker

On November 07 2015 18:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to hear Rayn/Xata/SL's thoughts on one another; who they think is likeliest to be scum and why.

As for my nominations, I think it's likely that only one of the three is scum which means there's 1/3 in there and 2/5 in the rest, so I'm likely to nominate 2 from that group and 1 from the rest. I already have a good idea of who I want to pick but I'd like to hear more from others first.

On November 07 2015 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I have an idea.
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Kitaman27, Raynpelikoneet, Superbia

On November 07 2015 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean like if you look at the things from my perspective:
If i assume you are town (or from your perspective -- if you assume i am town), the Xatalos/rayn/SL team is probably the best mafia can get. I don't believe any of Rels/kitaman/Superbia is dumb enough to not realise that, given that the next two leaders are you and me.

If the mission gets nay-voted, you will probably pick yourself (town), me (town) and someone else (possibly town).

It just doesn't make any sense for any of them to downvote the mission (which is also accepted by townies). It doesn't even matter if the mafia is SL or Xatalos, if you wanna go down that road (that Xatalos is scum).

Shockeyy has already proven he has no idea what he is doing anyways. And i highly doubt Xatalos, as scum, would pick two scum onto the mission, and i know, if i was scum, i would downvote the mission with 2 scum in it, because it is highly likely that none of the three people will get picked onte the next missions and suddenly you have 6 players where only one is mafia, and people won't even listen to you as you were on a mission that failed. It is just bad play to nominate 2 scum onto a mission, i know i am not mafia, so there has to be exactly 1 mafia on the mission.

On November 07 2015 19:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well tbh the scumteam of me/HtS/Superbia is so ridiculous to even come up with in the first place.
Like HtS starts the game by hard-townreading both of her scumbuddies and the whole scumteam is okay with her nominating the whole scumteam onto the mission.

"okay, makes sense"

On November 07 2015 21:37 Half the Sky wrote:
rayn, that's gameplay, not attitude. You amuse me

sicklucker, thank goodness you're here. From your filter, you've decided Xatalos is the likely spy (or a likely spy) in the last team combination.

Who is a spy WITH Xatalos?

On November 07 2015 21:44 Half the Sky wrote:


I would upvote this team pending another look at Superbia (but although low-volume, nothing is jumping out at me on Superbia as scummy). If I don't feel good with Superbia....eh I would have to decide between you and him since all that's left is Xata (review pending), Rels and Shockey.

Only other thing I could do is re-read Rels if I'm wrong on him.

Artanis, Kita and rayn all would appear fine, and I'm pretty sold on the latter two as town atm. Artanis's posting when I've been afk has been pretty towny.

On November 07 2015 21:49 Half the Sky wrote:


I want to be on a team, but I am near universally scumread. It will never pass.

If you were to swap me in for someone, then who would it be? rayn? superbia?

On November 07 2015 21:52 Half the Sky wrote:


You mean you'd keep superbia in and swap me in for rayn? (language check I know...)

On November 07 2015 21:48 Half the Sky wrote:


My nominations:

(1) rayn, Superbia, myself (8h45m left)
(2) Xatalos, rayn, myself (4h45 left)
(3) Kita, rayn, myself (1h9m left) - rejected

It would have helped me greatly if I didn't have to play the game from the airport, but what's done is done.

On November 07 2015 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I'm having a tough time following your read on Superbia. From reading your filter.

Can you explain to me in a few sentences:

(1) what made him scummy to you the first cycle
(2) what makes you hesistant (based on post 1590) to have him on a team now.

On November 07 2015 21:58 Half the Sky wrote:


But do you think it's because I was playing suboptimally or because I am mafia? From what you are posting, I don't believe you are aware as to why I made the selections the way I did or how I did.

On November 07 2015 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How about you explain why i am scum instead of just throwing in some percentages without any substance?
If you are scum the easiest way for you is just to call me and Xatalos mafia and say "well i don't care at least one of them is scum yolo". Because you effectively zone out two townies for "reasonable" reasons.

On November 05 2015 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you are so town sl.

On November 07 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker

On November 07 2015 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You are scum because Xatalos is town.

On November 05 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

All the scum ppl dont want sl so he is a good pick.

On November 07 2015 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No, Xatalos looks more town than you do.
Like i am obviously wrong on one of my reads.
And i think i am wrong on you.

This isn't that hard to grasp what i am saying...

On November 07 2015 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The thing that OBVIOUSLY changed is that one of you and Xatalos HAS to be mafia.

On November 07 2015 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Except i wanted someone else onto the mission over you....

On November 07 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Having sicklucker as townread != sicklucker is the best pick as third member of this team.

That's what you guys are saying, that's not what i did.

On November 07 2015 23:48 Superbia wrote:


C'mon. This is so blatantly the "too easy" trap if you're town. Get more information...

The fucking disgusting thing is that some of the scummiest people have the best voting record.

On November 08 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker who do you think is mafia?
I assume one of me and Xatalos but who else?

On November 08 2015 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

so you think Shockeyy is town. Why?
Because he thinks i am mafia?

On November 08 2015 00:59 Xatalos wrote:


I didn't say HTS voted NO?

On November 08 2015 01:00 Xatalos wrote:


Mainly because I think rayn is town. Also because you still haven't answered how your read progression on me worked until now, and why Rels is 100% town. If you want to convince me otherwise, start from there.

On November 08 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker why are you questioning Xatalos when you think i am more likely to be mafia?

On November 08 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You mean this?
Because i can't be 100% sure of which of you two is mafia.

If you think Shockeyy/HtS/SL is the scumteam why are you not okay with the current team?

Like neither of you is okay with the current team so i think the team is all town.

On November 08 2015 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Raynpelikoneet, Superbia, Kitaman27
Fuck the police.

On November 08 2015 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait why do you think kitaman is scum?

On November 08 2015 02:15 kitaman27 wrote:


Right now I'm thinking SL was the spy last mission, though I'm not completely town reading Xat.

I think you're playing sub-optimally if you are town. Sending those four means you have to be perfect on your HTS/Shockyy/(1 from mission 1) assumption.

On November 08 2015 05:04 Half the Sky wrote:
Let me see if I can explain in more simple terms.

Town failing first mission means we are doing very badly and generally in most situations most spies (at least in RL) don't have gumption to fail the first mission.

The fact there is a failure and his lack of scepticism is a red flag, sicklucker I feel has an excellent point on assuming too easy of a fall guy. Do you think the least town read person, if scum is going to give himself away like that?

Maybe people aren't understanding me but that is my perspective from having played in RL and the way this game is going, it goes against PPA but this is how townie looking scum win games. You have to look at all angles.

On November 08 2015 12:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:


How about you talk to me on how Xata and rayn both still town read each other and attack SL after the first mission?

On November 08 2015 13:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Why say that?

On November 08 2015 22:47 Xatalos wrote:


You'll be voting NO otherwise then? And including the scummiest people on your proposed team? >.> Sounds like a plan......

On November 09 2015 03:02 kitaman27 wrote:


Two out of your three scum reads voted no, didn't they? Or am I wrong about your reads listed above?

On November 09 2015 03:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
SL why should I trust HTS to being town, just curious? I've been rethinking some of my reads at this point.

On November 09 2015 03:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
SL why should I trust HTS to being town, just curious? I've been rethinking some of my reads at this point.

On November 09 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker are you here?

You said that Superbia lurking was akin to his town meta? Can you name any other games offhand that this would apply? I remember you said sometime in another game (campus mafia) he played a cancerous game but was he inactive in that game or any other you can remember?

His posting as far as I can see - and with Xatalos discouraging his inclusion day 1 - I am pretty sure he's town. Where are you seeing his inactivity as alignment indicative?

On November 09 2015 08:52 Xatalos wrote:
Well now it's rayn's turn then.

I actually hope it's something good that he proposes. The next leaders are shockeyy, Rels and SL.... Kind of hard to believe an all-town team would come from them considering their reads, even if there might be town among the three.

I still think the team should include myself+rayn.... Maybe, maybe I could accept a team without us if the reasoning is very good. SL should never be on the mission, neither HTS IMO... And shockeyy would be a huge risk as well. Any other combination could theoretically be workable..... I guess we'll have to gamble on the nulls.

On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.

##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy

On November 09 2015 22:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I would imagine you'd fight me a little harder on the SL thing given that you feel Rayn is still basically confirmed town. Do you have any doubt in that at all?

On November 09 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hold on
I just realized one of HtS/Rels/Shockeyy is always town.
I'm not sure why I didn't realize that before.

On November 09 2015 23:35 Half the Sky wrote:
If people don't want to reconsider Shockey, we could try

Kita/sicklucker/Rels/Rayn

For sure, three of the players should be Kita/Rels/Rayn, but the 4th we are going to have a hard time coming to a consensus. Ugh.

Will be back.

On November 10 2015 02:31 Half the Sky wrote:


Read the rest of the thread? He seemed to just want to torpedo his own team (this is his attitude in general when he gets discouraged with the game as town) and he had a more serious submission after this. The real problem now is Superbia replacing out, which means the lurkiness you described is really NAI.

I'd focus on his second team him/superbia/rels/kita

I know you are (were?) against Kita, though I'm not clear on why. I queried Kita earlier on how he's so sure you are spy because you being difficult to track is NAI. But I couldn't see him differentiating on any posts he's made on you yet, realising he's a American, maybe he'll do that in a few hours.

On November 10 2015 02:44 kitaman27 wrote:
Hi Vivax!

On November 10 2015 06:23 Xatalos wrote:
Is this the final team rayn? Could you replace kita/Rels with myself and perhaps Artanis?

It's just saddening that even though that would improve the chances of success, it would also decrease the chances of the team being approved :/

And then there's shockeyy/Rels/SL's teams coming up.......... I doubt shockeyy/Rels's teams would either get approved or succeed, and SL would just automatically make a failing team... Sigh.

On November 10 2015 06:23 Xatalos wrote:
Is this the final team rayn? Could you replace kita/Rels with myself and perhaps Artanis?

It's just saddening that even though that would improve the chances of success, it would also decrease the chances of the team being approved :/

And then there's shockeyy/Rels/SL's teams coming up.......... I doubt shockeyy/Rels's teams would either get approved or succeed, and SL would just automatically make a failing team... Sigh.

On November 10 2015 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Meh... but then again i come back to the fact that Shockeyy and HtS are so fucking scummy. Like literally every single thing they post is so fucking scummy. ugh..

On November 10 2015 19:37 Vivax wrote:


I think that your Shockey scumread is either tinfoil or just out of spite.

This is your scenario:

He voted yes on a team two other spies voted no, and no on a team the 2 other spies most likely upvoted.

All your HTS is mafia with Shockey scenario has somewhat of a footing with team 1 but loses it entirely at team 2 when he voted no against HTS who you claim is scum with him. Everyone who voted no on team 2 is rightly included in your team except Shockey, and yourself who voted yes.

I have to admit I can also see why people would scumread him since I saw how he said kita had a lot more reads than Xata when kita was just listing Xata's reads, but that's a mistake that can happen to both alignments, esp. if he has little time to play.

On November 10 2015 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Shockeyy is town why does he not prove my case on him is wrong?
I have posted it days ago. Why does he not do that?

On November 11 2015 00:03 kitaman27 wrote:


Why do you say SL was more solidly townread? Of the people who accepted the mission:

Xatalos - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL
Half the Sky - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL
raynpelikoneet - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL
Artanis - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL

Even if you include the rejects votes, there wasn't a huge amount of SL support.

If anything, this points to a scum Xat wanting to bring along SL as the fall guy, not making a "ballsy move".



You suggest that it is a point in his favor, but I'd say that it suggests he prioritizes self-inclusion over mission success.



A few other people have already pointed this out, but I don't think this applies very well considering voting no unless he is included has the opposite effect. He doesn't have to worry about his teammate's inclusion at all if he can include himself.

On November 11 2015 08:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Hmm, I have a bad feeling about that vote.

On November 11 2015 08:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Afk 24h, if the mission passes we autowin anyway since we can just send the same mission 2 more times.

On November 11 2015 09:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The worst that can happen is that it fails. The best is that it passes. We'll see what happens in 24hrs.

On November 11 2015 22:44 Half the Sky wrote:


sicklucker -

tbf you wanted to put rels on your team, now you absolutely know you cannot. Like I said there is some information gained from this.

rayn even queried some suspicion on Rels JUST before this vote on this team passed that I think might warrant paying some attention.

I am reading and re-reading. Pay attention to that and Artanis' follow on Rels.

I am at Xatalos/Rels/TBD

Final mafia is between Kitaman/Vivax. It is not Shockey based on previous votes, and it's not you (especially with this vote). And I cannot see it being Artanis at all at this point particularly with this vote.

Now between Kita and Vivax, I had associative reasons that it's probably not Vivax's slot based on Xata's early game play but Superbia's lurkiness, even if NAI in the end, which you pushed SL, gave you some pause, so it might be worth it to at least re-eval his posts before he went completely afk.

I'm going to find the third mafia and then work backwards in constructing the cases. Right now, a team I know that will pass a mission based on everything I've looked through:

rayn/sicklucker/Artanis/Shockey

So if I absolutely cannot decide between Kita and Vivax (if Kita is mafia, then it's the point where I have to pretty much save Kita's filter somewhere and then try and solve the game on my flight tomorrow, which is about 8h) then we can start constructing the teams leaving both players out.

Since the entire game is scumreading me, I am purposely leaving myself off. but only because I know my own alignment, I'd swap myself for the individual I've least sure on (at this point Shockey) but I am sure the above four are clean.

rayn/sicklucker/Artanis/myself, I would be 100% confident the team would pass a 4-person mission.

This is where my head is.

On November 11 2015 21:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Btw, if this mission fails there's at most 1 scum between me/hts/shockeyy unless you think rayn id scum.
I look forward to the read evaluations.

On November 12 2015 08:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

None of these three have been on a mission yet and two have failed so only if Rayn is scum can two of that group be scum since he was the only one on two missions.

On November 12 2015 02:37 Rels wrote:
So the team is either:
Arta / rayn / XXX (not HTS, they're never scums together)
or Arta / Xata / Vivax (or Kita)
I think it makes HTS town actually whatever the case is actually ... at least if the team fails.

On November 12 2015 08:36 Coagulation wrote:
so what did rayn get modkilled for?

On November 12 2015 07:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Xatalos/Rels/Vivax everyone

If I'm wrong on Vivax, then it's Kita.

99.9% sure on Xatalos
99.9% sure on Rels
At least 75% sure on Vivax

#youhearditherefirst
#postgamecred
#itsnotover
#nevergiveup

On November 12 2015 18:54 Vivax wrote:


I already did before it started and if that's not enough for you, tough titties. You can go read it instead of asking me dumb questions 2 days after I explained it.