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On November 05 2015 08:12 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 01:43 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 01:40 Xatalos wrote:On November 05 2015 01:35 Superbia wrote:
Kind of nowhere. It's PoE. I expect town SL to be a lot more involved and active. He hasn't really done anything this game. He has done this before as town, but I can read him when he's doing shit, not when he's not. So he goes in the back of the PoE list. Has he / do you expect he would take this attitude as scum? Isn't it actually good for him here that he plays similarly as town? I'm also considering Artanis atm though, liked his recent posts. About you, I'm not quite so sure on. I'm not sure what SL's scum-play is there days. I think it's usually pretty easy to read him if he's not lurking. The fact that he's not coming up with weird ass logic/strategies this game is troubling. BUT I AM. LIKE I CAME UP WITH SOME PRETTY CRAZY SHIT
Like what?
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On November 05 2015 08:17 Superbia wrote:
I'm not even hard scum-reading you dumbass. You're in my PoE-scumlist
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kitaman27
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lol this game is really going to drag on isn't it. Two down, twenty three to go. XD
Need to play hangman or something.
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On November 05 2015 08:20 kitaman27 wrote:
lol this game is really going to drag on isn't it. Two down, twenty three to go. XD
Need to play hangman or something.
I don't get it...
(still reading)
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ehhhh fml, it's so late here I'm not thinking clearly.
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On November 04 2015 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 23:42 Rels wrote:On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below: ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/l8XDS/c5b4b0ac75.png) Things of note after I went through the filters: -Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it. -I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff. -Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this? -Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much. Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose. That is awesome! Thanks for that, that will be useful later. You're probably town for this effort too. Even though the last game he is referring to with this chart was how he tricked people to trust him as mafia?
Kita, what game do you mean?
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I know Toadesstern used a similar chart in Guardians of the Galaxy carrying mafia, but I don't remember where Artanis did...
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Last two scum games by Artanis -
Imperial (he pulled this in Imperial? I know he carried like a boss and will prob win the mafia performance of the year, but I don't remember a chart????)
NSM 6 - he didn't do jack all in that game from what I recall and I know as I replaced out that game.
I think you had the wrong person Kita?
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kitaman27
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On November 05 2015 08:22 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2015 23:42 Rels wrote:On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below: Things of note after I went through the filters: -Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it. -I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff. -Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this? -Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much. Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose. That is awesome! Thanks for that, that will be useful later. You're probably town for this effort too. Even though the last game he is referring to with this chart was how he tricked people to trust him as mafia? Kita, what game do you mean?
That ship has sailed. He was actually town. Was curious if someone would take a look at the game to draw conclusions and say something along the lines of "wait a minute, Artanis was actually town that game!" for free town points. Probably a long shot anyways.
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Anyways, I'm too tired already and will go to sleep soon(TM). Voted yes for now. Let's see what the day brings.
Btw I agree that sicklucker's OMGUS thing on me was pretty.... crazy lol
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Meh....nvm, Artanis corrected him. Was going to say....
eh....no change on my reads on Artanis. Reading pages 3-4 of his filter and not really finding any mafia motivation in his posts. Reading his queries (993/998) on Superbia and probably will read Superbia a bit closely now...
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On November 05 2015 08:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:22 Half the Sky wrote:On November 04 2015 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2015 23:42 Rels wrote:On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below: Things of note after I went through the filters: -Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it. -I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff. -Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this? -Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much. Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose. That is awesome! Thanks for that, that will be useful later. You're probably town for this effort too. Even though the last game he is referring to with this chart was how he tricked people to trust him as mafia? Kita, what game do you mean? That ship has sailed. He was actually town. Was curious if someone would take a look at the game to draw conclusions and say something along the lines of "wait a minute, Artanis was actually town that game!" for free town points. Probably a long shot anyways.
Yeh yeh, my mistake, I am sort of trying to catch up before I go to bed.
I'm not sure how I feel about the sicklucker inclusion right now, because at this stage I feel there's a decent chunk of information that a more towny team could have been put up and sicklucker's inclusion is still (whilst I lean town still on him) weaker than Artanis. rayn is a townread so I get his point wasn't likely mafia motivated but I'm sort of still stuck on why you'd use the nomination to motivate someone who has been lurking and (if scum and people are wrong on him) could be disastrous. Maybe a scum sicklucker might pass this one and fail another later on (yes folks I brought this up before don't shoot me) who knows.
I realise this is all hypothetical but I just didn't understand the rationale for keeping the team the way it was. Meh.
We'll see what SL does the next 24 hours...at the very least, make it somewhat easier to determine your alignment?
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Aiming for until 12:30am or so... (another 45m) so if anyone wants to talk, please do.
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On November 05 2015 01:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 01:22 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 01:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 05 2015 01:12 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 01:06 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 00:58 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 00:55 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 00:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 05 2015 00:50 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 00:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I'm not sure what the purpose of this post is. At the start of it you mention how you want Rels to walk you through his argument, but then you proceed to trash him and explain your scumread moreso than that you seem to be looking for an explanation. Do you have any questions for him in specific? Read the post the answer quotes. There are questions left unanswered, and the answer is very "uncaring". If that makes sense. I put effort into my post, and the effort in the answer is just, it doesn't fucking tell me anything new. Alright, okay. Your TMI argument doesn't really make sense to me though. You say he's working from a TMI perspective in which he knows Xata is town and you're scum. Somehow I doubt this is the argument you're actually trying to make. My initial problem with rels (the TMI one) is this: - He starts off by saying he will "eventually" read Xat (d3 or so, iirc). - He scum-reads on me for the reasoning he has given, but that reasoning strictly works if Xat is town (But he has no read on him?). False. The read is based on something illogical, and has not link with Xata's alignement. Has an absolute link with Xata's alignment. I am pushing Xata for something you deem illogical. Fair enough, but the scum-read indicates Xata is town. Else I am scum-reading Scum-Xata as scum for an illogical reason- why? On November 05 2015 00:58 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 00:55 Superbia wrote:
That was my initial TMI read on Rels. It may still be true, but I'm mainly focused on the fact that is he hammering this shit home, even though he should've either re-evaluated or evolved his read from here. False. I just said it was a small scum indication and that I was waiting to see where Superbia would do next. You have been unable to properly evaluate my early-play, even though I have walked through it and explained it, in a post you have conveniently pretty much ignored. Have been ignoring my queries to in-depth evaluate it and other questions (which I cannot recall, but they were probably important). Moreover, you have put 0 effort from that point on to evaluate me in any sort of way (from what I can tell). Like my fucking nightmare scenario in this game is if you are actually town -as I am evaluating this game from the point of view in which you are mafia- but I cannot believe it at this point in time. Don't talk to me scum. You're using this excuse to completely shut up about anything else. GTFO or talk about something else. Do you have to be this obtuse? Can't we all just be nice? :/ I'm obtuse ??????? The guy comes back after two days of fucking nothing, is still blabing about the same stuff, and don't answer your questions. Now he found the perfect excuse to scumread me and not talk about anything else. Why are starting to think he's town ? Because he gets angry ? He's either mad because he's scum in which case you have no reason to be mad at him for playing to his win condition, or he's mad because he's being tunneled wrongfully. Neither is really anything you should be mad at him about. I think he might be town because he seems to really believe in what he's saying. I don't think there's any other reason to stretch it as much as he has.
Read Superbia's interactions with Rels. Read his posts multiple times and this is where I am with the former (above) on that latest exchange. Reading on...
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 05 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Aiming for until 12:30am or so... (another 45m) so if anyone wants to talk, please do.
You don't need give details or anything, but where would you everyone one through nine in terms of trustworthiness?
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On November 05 2015 01:43 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 01:40 Xatalos wrote:On November 05 2015 01:35 Superbia wrote:
Kind of nowhere. It's PoE. I expect town SL to be a lot more involved and active. He hasn't really done anything this game. He has done this before as town, but I can read him when he's doing shit, not when he's not. So he goes in the back of the PoE list. Has he / do you expect he would take this attitude as scum? Isn't it actually good for him here that he plays similarly as town? I'm also considering Artanis atm though, liked his recent posts. About you, I'm not quite so sure on. I'm not sure what SL's scum-play is there days. I think it's usually pretty easy to read him if he's not lurking. The fact that he's not coming up with weird ass logic/strategies this game is troubling.
Yeh this is what is making it a bit difficult for me to be a little more confident on him as either alignment. I think of his town games like JOAT, NSM 9 (that game he was a bit more illogical and he almost got policy lynched day 3!!!) and in his scum games (TL LXX, Void, Drams, a few others) he does get in there and shit up the thread. I think if I remember LXX and Void especially correctly there was some content in there with intent to deceive and I think this is how Holyflare caught him both those games, but he was between that and a series of illogical crap. It's taken me 10+ games to try and read him a bit more reliably in general, but this game, this is the least I've seen him post as either alignment. 2+ pages so far...
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On November 05 2015 08:56 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Aiming for until 12:30am or so... (another 45m) so if anyone wants to talk, please do. You don't need give details or anything, but where would you everyone one through nine in terms of trustworthiness?
With nine being most trustworthy
kitaman27 6
ShoCkeyy 2 at most
Rels - um, zero?
Artanis[Xp] 7-8
Xatalos 7
Superbia 6
raynpelikoneet - 8-9
sicklucker 5 at most (although I'm atm trying to evaluate him on what he does have...)
I am aware that Rels, you, Superbia have pretty damned capable scum games so there is some caution with some of the ratings.
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whats the current team so i know what im voting no on
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On November 05 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 07:47 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, let's go with that. If SL appears worse by tomorrow, it can be turned over to Artanis anyway.
So the risk is really pretty small. All the scum ppl dont want sl so he is a good pick.
=]
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