Given the first team will rarely actually get the go ahead since the game only just started and HtS was not considered trustworthy, sure, I don't see much of an issue with it.

Artanis[Xp]

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November 15 2015 19:51 GMT

#3161

So who's your current scumteam Xata? SL/HtS/Rels or?

Artanis[Xp]

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November 15 2015 19:58 GMT

#3168

Well I'm gonna be playing Heroes with Rayn and Rsoul now, you folks have fun ^^

Artanis[Xp]

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November 16 2015 08:03 GMT

#3213

On November 16 2015 10:11 Vivax wrote:
Go for the slow play I guess. Artanis could use some walking through the valley of tinfoil.

I'm probably just going to end up voting yes for each team honestly. I'm getting pretty tired of these shitty accusations.

Kita's case on me is all narrative, explaining everything from a scum mindset without considering the townie alternative which is more than likely. I could go through all the points if you really want to but I don't think that'll help.

Sicklucker, you mentioned how I might be trying to set myself up for mission 5. I don't think that makes any sense though since Rayn was the consensus townread amongst everyone but Shockeyy/Rels, and I hard townread him so I'd have to vote yes on the mission with him too. The only time me being scum makes sense is if I'm with Rayn and HtS, especially since if there was only one scum on this mission it could've passed, but no scum actually voted yes.

Vivax has created some doubt on Rayn for me but I'm probably still willing to go with him. Any team outside of Kita/Xata/Rels I'll take so if you really don't trust me go with the other five.

Artanis[Xp]

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November 16 2015 08:10 GMT

#3214

Oh, as for overexplaining; I was trying to convince Vivax. I heard that's a thing in mafia.

Artanis[Xp]

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November 17 2015 08:02 GMT

#3276

Team is clearly clean. There's a reason the last time it got submitted it only got 3 votes.
Vivax is clean for obv reasons.
Shockeyy is clean due to nothing even remotely resembling a mafia agenda.
HtS is clean because she's basically been mirroring my thought process too many times, and the way she kept going when everyone scumread her.
Any combination with me in it doesn't make sense. Can't be Vivax, can't be Shockeyy unless it's with Rayn in which case those two have hard bussed each other from the start which really makes no sense. Can't be HtS because there's no way our interactions make any sense as scum-scum. Can't be anyone off the mission either as it was obvious HtS and Shockeyy were going to vote yes and I had also said I'd vote yes on the mission I was on so scum could easily just vote yes for the win.

The team is clean. Pass it.

On November 17 2015 07:14 Vivax wrote:
Oh and one more thing:

It isn't explicitly stated in the rules that two sabotages from spies show up when they both choose to fail the mission, when it's required on mission 4.

But when it isn't required and 2 spies on a wagon pick FAIL, then do we also see 2 sabotages outside of mission 4?

I'll assume yes for now.

And that means that any combination with 2 spies on a mission is impossible in this game.

It's possible, but as Rayn mentioned at the start of the game the optimal strategy for spies is to have the person at the top of the leader list vote fail if there's more than one spy on the mission.

Also, I still have to look into Rayn again. Vivax might be right in that he's scum instead of Xata. Not sure, but since neither of them is on the mission it isn't a concern until later which is good as I won't have time until late tonight.

Artanis[Xp]

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November 17 2015 08:05 GMT

#3277

Actually I wonder if it could possibly be Rayn/Xata/Rels. Kita has been tryharding pretty hard. Not sure it'd make sense for Xata to send a 2-spy team on the first mission, but Rayn was heavily townread by almost everyone so it's possible he felt like he didn't have a choice.

Artanis[Xp]

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November 17 2015 21:12 GMT

#3296

On November 18 2015 04:00 sicklucker wrote:

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shes played the game the hardest and only me.art.shockey/hts votes yes for a mission shes on. I know im town and im like 99% sure shockeys town so I dont really see a very likely team. And if she was mafia her team could have just won it there but choose not to fot some reason. Im more worried about artanis because he has no nice vote logic like this to suggest hes town but he gets on because theres so many baddies so w/e

Uh why does that work for her but not for me? Everyone on the mission I was on was also on that mission so if there was one scum on there it was already corrupt and if there's no scum there they could've 100% passed the last mission.

Artanis[Xp]

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November 17 2015 21:13 GMT

#3297

Also, distractionary tactics from Rels and Kita giving me good feels. Xata doesn't even seem to be trying anymore.

Artanis[Xp]

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November 17 2015 23:07 GMT

#3320

Artanis[Xp]

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November 17 2015 23:10 GMT

#3328

Rels I think you bussed me a little too well before mission 3. I was pretty much a shared townread by anyone but you made that disappear

Oh well, it worked out in the end partially due to my gambit of voting yes for the all town team. Was actually planning on conceding if it actually went through since the rayn slot was still almost universally townread.

Artanis[Xp]

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November 18 2015 09:50 GMT

#3377

On November 18 2015 15:30 Tictock wrote:
Couple of things that stood out to me like a sore thumb from the scum team this game (obviously my perception being affected with perfect info)

This post real early from Rels, felt like he was practically outing his team.

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Made me laugh when I read it, because after quite an exchange with rayn and after saying a couple of times that he didn't have real reads yet Rels basically goes and says everyone who has posted up to that point but his teammates are suspicious.

I was real surprised that nobody questioned why he wasn't suspicious of Xata or Art (also SL I think had posted a couple of one liners by that point) yet wasn't townreading them either.

I don't think this really outs us though. Most times when scum make lists, they add both scum and town on them to link them together. It's also not really a memorable post imo especially in a game that drags out.

I also really laughed at Art's post here,

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Which to me boils down to him saying "These people are all town for these clear reasons. I'm clearly not scum with any of them, thus the team is clean! Pass it."

Well, the main argument was that scum would've known I was on the mission and should've known HtS and Shockeyy were 100% going to vote yes, so if I was scum they should all pass it. The obvious flaw in my argument is of course that there's no communication between scum so they couldn't be sure the other person would do it

. My post was mostly an attempt to communicate to Rels and Xata to vote yes without setting off any alarms.