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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Please bare with us as I will be getting the post up as soon as I am able. As always Votes made after deadline will not be counted. Also please remember that you may track Votes via the tracker (link in all my Vote Count posts), though it may not be 100% accurate. In case the number of official Vote Counts are lacking. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
##vote: onegu | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
##vote onegu I'm going to sleep. night | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
placeholder vote for now - will return and catch up in 1-2 hours. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
Onegu (5): Damdred, disformation, ritoky, Fecalfeast, NocturneMage Trfel (0): Not Voting (2): The Shining, Trfel It looks like Onegu will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 5 votes! Voting is Mandatory! Do not forget to vote! Vote tracker may be found here. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
I was hoping Onegu will drop in and do something with these votes on him... doesn't look like it.  He does not even have the right to vote according to the Votecount LoneMeow just posted. I had another idea for an approach to try and understand Trfel. Will try that later when I am at home. Currently my position is still: On November 23 2015 04:42 disformation wrote: Yeah. I think getting rid of one of the two big confusing ppl (Onegu and Trfel) is the right choice today. Don't want to have to think about both of those in a mylo situation. Still trying to wrap my head around Trfel. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
Will catch up to the raging activity of this thread, take a short break and proceed to look at Trfel's filter again. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 23 2015 01:39 Damdred wrote: Now this is the hard question to me. To me it seems moosey was the preference for scum going into the last 8-10 hours. No real counter wagon and we only see a flurry of people when moosey wagon starts breaking down. Way I'm reading it, Moosey maxed out at 5-6 votes The majority of the game is scattered about Trfel pushes a Scott lynch but states would be willing to lynch moosey as well just prefers moosey. Goes afk. Farah starts moving back and forth between Scott, Disfo being indecisive but doesn't want to lynch moosey. Geript pushes Breshke and gains Disfo and Farah tying him with moosey but not drawing ahead. Trfel shows up and yells about lynching Scott. Farah switches to Scott. Ff when he arrives votes Scott putting him into a 3-3-2 tie with moosey but ahead of Breshke. From this moment on Breshke has no chance of being lynched Trfel and ritoky stone wall the idea of lynching Breshke. People pile up on Scott, he gives a last second will ritoky freaks out and switches. Now what do you think is the most interesting thing in it disfo? Are you potentially suggesting a possible Trfel/ritoky scum team based off this? Though you are saying ritoky is likely town for (meta???) reasons or because you think Breshke vomited him town? Didn't most people townread ritoky day 1 anyhow, and do you think most scum would find a reason to scumread their own teammate if there was no reason to (in the event ritoky actually is mafia)? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On November 24 2015 01:53 NocturneMage wrote: Are you potentially suggesting a possible Trfel/ritoky scum team based off this? Though you are saying ritoky is likely town for (meta???) reasons or because you think Breshke vomited him town? Didn't most people townread ritoky day 1 anyhow, and do you think most scum would find a reason to scumread their own teammate if there was no reason to (in the event ritoky actually is mafia)? Was stumbling about this line for a moment as well, but read it as "ritoky's vote was the final nail in scott's coffin". That can imply ritoky shifting the votes away from a teammate, but scott's filter was pretty bad so could have just thought scott was scum.^^ That being said I am not 100% sure on ritoky and FF. I think Onegu and Trfel have a higher chance of being mafia, but I don't think it is impossible for one of them having fooled us. Since Onegu has not even tried to do something I am currently kinda happy with were my vote is, though. Will try to figure out Trfel again. Getting a bit burned out of reading through filters, though. xD | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 23 2015 10:23 Fecalfeast wrote: I keep forgetting about shining. Is that bad or is everyone ok with shining? Could shining trfel be a team? I feel like the angry demeanor of trfel could signify he is feeling abandoned by his scumteam but that's some unflipped association that I shouldn't look too far into. I'm doubting it. If any scum player was unhappy with strategy you'd think they'd try to either hide it or communicate it in the mafia qt. Still I don't know how that ties directly to Shining tbf. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 23 2015 07:51 Trfel wrote: To expand: I've presented a complete argument for why Fecalfeast is mafia. Furthermore, he is basically guaranteed mafia because mafia didn't push onto him and away from Breshke after I posed this argument (the more I think about this, it's not 100% that mafia would do this, but it's extremely likely that they would have pushed it more if they could). Fecalfeast has not responded to my arguments at all. No one else has suggested why anything is at all invalid, either. So why are people townreading him? Alright, like I said in my last questioning to you, you've been wrong on all your reads, why are you convinced now [b]but more importantly where do you go from here if you are wrong on Fecalfeast? Like let's say for whatever reason Fecalfeast loses his head when he wakes up and pulls a Moosy and gets modkilled. He flips town. Then what? You think Onegu is mafia, great...but who is he with? as of last posting you haven't looked yet into ritoky and disformation. if you think either could possibly be mafia once you are caught up, could either of them be with anyone? As Damdred put it in similar wording, why are you not re-evaluating your reads? If you look at Fecalfeast's latest posting (are you or have you?) does that change anything you have on him? do you think his willing to die could come from mafia? what are the posts since your case that make you since he's mafia? Regarding the counterpush, an argument I can see against your last statement is cred on Breshke but others have covered that I think. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 24 2015 02:18 disformation wrote: I also bought some beers in order to celebrate future scum lynches (or drown my frustration). Please don't take any mafia-game related drinking lessons from HTS regardless of alignment. I know she's coached you in the past, but still, just don't do it. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On November 24 2015 02:42 NocturneMage wrote: Please don't take any mafia-game related drinking lessons from HTS regardless of alignment. I know she's coached you in the past, but still, just don't do it. Exactly the reaction I was hoping for. xD Just happened to have some room in my bag while grocery shopping and EoD is basically just after dinner time, so I'll probably have a beer with my room mate regardless of what happens in this game. xD | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 24 2015 02:17 disformation wrote: Was stumbling about this line for a moment as well, but read it as "ritoky's vote was the final nail in scott's coffin". That can imply ritoky shifting the votes away from a teammate, but scott's filter was pretty bad so could have just thought scott was scum.^^ That being said I am not 100% sure on ritoky and FF. I think Onegu and Trfel have a higher chance of being mafia, but I don't think it is impossible for one of them having fooled us. Since Onegu has not even tried to do something I am currently kinda happy with were my vote is, though. Will try to figure out Trfel again. Getting a bit burned out of reading through filters, though. xD well if I can be quite frank, I really don't like the way ritoky is stretching to find a way to read me as potential mafia. namely, for the first part, setup doesn't make me (or anyone really) mafia and the association read he tried to draw with myself and onegu has been proven false. he mentioned his reads were unorthodox and that's fine but you still cannot just assume that setup vindicates or implicates people unless you are trying to use that in conjunction with say vote analysis (like killing the roleblocker). also the read on disformation is 50/50, not sure if he's really unsure (town) or trying to keep his options open as scum. following: On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. based of this disformation is town to him. On November 22 2015 13:44 ritoky wrote: to me the game is very simple. and i think you guys are doing all this crazy shit overcomplicating it. i am town -> most town all game, lynched mafia, who am i bussing? (self-metametametametameta) damdred is town -> blue ff is town -> tone + willing to be PoE shining is town -> my read is shit, confirmed it was shit, accepting others lynch these people and we win or get to mylo: tfel onegu remainder: NM -> lots of effort and cases, bizarre trfel post after flip, rando sudden push on me, not reading my responses, probably not mafia if trfel mafia though. disfo -> procedurally should be town for vote thing, but PoE + opinions move like water so he's easily influenced town whose opinions move like water? in spite of him reading disformation potential town for martyring/day 1 on breshke? still can't figure out when/how he decides the "opinions moving like water" outweighs the town behaviour from day 1 to keep him in poe. anyone have any thoughts there? also looking at his lynch list, the trfel post should not be "bizarre" as if he has read my filter, clearly he has read at least part of the filter because he tried to draw an association between myself and onegu, he should see how hard I was pushing trfel and the town bias for saying that trfel should be the lynch. the association read (if trfel is mafia, I'm probably not) is also poor because others were (and still are) pushing trfel as well, so how is fecalfeast (who voted him at a point) for example less mafia from that vantage point? he doesn't seem to be evaluating everyone from the same criteria is my point. the other issue with ritoky is that prior to his going afk, I looked in his filter for the amount of pushing/querying he's done on trfel. aside from his listed post (numbered, post 1244) he only has one other entire post (1270) asking his reason to back down off damdred's post to which trfel answered that he gives replacements a day pass and no followup on that since then, so assumed he was fine with that response. since then? zero. - why isn't trfel "angry town" anymore (independent of poe), post 1296 - furthermore assuming I'm not misinterpreting post 1503, he accuses Fecalfeast of pocketing him (which means he's mafia or mafia behaviour) (1) so what makes in ritoky's eyes fecalfeast more town based on tone/poe as opposed to trfel who appears still angry but apparently isn't town for it anymore? (2) and additionally why is disformation still in the poe list for the same criteria, he was earlier townread for "lynching himself early" and is put in poe now as opposed to fecalfeast who has done similar martyring? right now I'm at ritoky/trfel/onegu not nec in that order, I want to revisit fecalfeast in case I've missed something. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
ritoky, if you are able to find time to answer or fully explain the bolded, that would be splendid. I think I read pages 7-10 of your filter which is where I found most of the issues to be. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
So five on onegu with 3 not voting yet. Onegu, if you are town, you had better at least provide us some information from your perspective. I have reasons to lynch both ritoky and trfel (trfel having had more time to resolve them) if the concerns go unresolved but from what fecalfeast alluded earlier, you don't post much as town? at least some list post on who you think the scum taking advantage of your absence are.... | ||
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