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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 19:00 GMT
#1781
On November 24 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote:
Answer me this does my flip give you a better way to read people based on how the previous person was playing?


Uh... no? ... damn.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2015 19:02 GMT
#1782
On November 24 2015 04:00 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote:
Answer me this does my flip give you a better way to read people based on how the previous person was playing?


Uh... no? ... damn.



Yeah then this is scums preferred lynch. Look for people that were completely null the whole game on me then were like fuck it we just lynch onegu and then peaced out.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2015 19:03 GMT
#1783
##Vote: FecalFeast
Try TL Mafia!!!
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 23 2015 19:05 GMT
#1784
On November 24 2015 03:59 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 03:55 NocturneMage wrote:
On November 24 2015 03:54 Onegu wrote:
On November 24 2015 03:23 NocturneMage wrote:
also disformation I would think the moderators made a mistake with Onegu and his vote. he can surely vote if Damdred did last cycle

So five on onegu with 3 not voting yet.

Onegu, if you are town, you had better at least provide us some information from your perspective.

I have reasons to lynch both ritoky and trfel (trfel having had more time to resolve them) if the concerns go unresolved but from what fecalfeast alluded earlier, you don't post much as town?

at least some list post on who you think the scum taking advantage of your absence are....



I will speed read but I dont really have anything other than the person who said it didnt look like I was scum from my entrance looked really weird. I and remember it came from someone I had actually played with multiple times before and that actually mad no sense to me. As to why he would say something like that about me.


let's see if I can help find that.



Just found it on page 79 it was FF


I can't find that on page 79? a search on onegu in Fecal's filter gives me this:

On November 21 2015 09:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
Onegu claim immediately


On November 21 2015 10:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Onegu, where art thou?


On November 21 2015 11:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2015 10:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Onegu, where art thou?

Gonna ping this out every so often because I'm getting worried.

Maybe he's reading the entire game and coming in to blow scum out of the water


Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2015 19:05 GMT
#1785
On November 24 2015 03:40 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 03:37 NocturneMage wrote:
On November 24 2015 03:32 disformation wrote:
I shadowed Onegu. He likes to play scum much more than town. Therefore he tries to switch up his meta every few games so it is hard to read him. He also was town and not very active in the game I shadowed him, but he was way more useful than in this game so far...
Don't think I have enough experience with him to correctly meta/read him off of that though...


as scum, does he "pretend" to be useful? or is he easily caught with how bad his questions/posting is? has he ever just done nothing as scum?

and you mentioned he always tries to switch meta, so who knows....

that question is for anyone here that is familiar with onegu's play, not just you.


Unfortunately I only got one game where he was VT. But if he wants to be hard to read of such a meta, he looks probably pretty similar as scum. Note that this is speculation.

My question for now is more like, is he:
1) "Oh crap I replaced into a bad situation and I am not fond of town, so let whatever, can't be arsed to do something."
2) "Oh crap, I replaced into a bad situation and I think not giving town any information is the best play here."

Super coin-flippy. Wtb Damdred dropping some logic-bombs.



Also personally 1 is much more likely that 2. In point 2 I would be much more likely to try and pull something out of my ass.

The fact that you guys only got 10 pages of filter today is really shit.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2015 19:06 GMT
#1786
On November 21 2015 13:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2015 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.

Onegu hasnt read anything and wont until tomorrow.

##Vote Damdred

+ Show Spoiler +
Because why not it Damdy

Actually this makes me think he hasn't seen a scum QT. Obviously to be taken tongue in cheek but still.

Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2015 19:06 GMT
#1787
Page 78^
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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 19:07 GMT
#1788
On November 24 2015 04:05 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 03:40 disformation wrote:
On November 24 2015 03:37 NocturneMage wrote:
On November 24 2015 03:32 disformation wrote:
I shadowed Onegu. He likes to play scum much more than town. Therefore he tries to switch up his meta every few games so it is hard to read him. He also was town and not very active in the game I shadowed him, but he was way more useful than in this game so far...
Don't think I have enough experience with him to correctly meta/read him off of that though...


as scum, does he "pretend" to be useful? or is he easily caught with how bad his questions/posting is? has he ever just done nothing as scum?

and you mentioned he always tries to switch meta, so who knows....

that question is for anyone here that is familiar with onegu's play, not just you.


Unfortunately I only got one game where he was VT. But if he wants to be hard to read of such a meta, he looks probably pretty similar as scum. Note that this is speculation.

My question for now is more like, is he:
1) "Oh crap I replaced into a bad situation and I am not fond of town, so let whatever, can't be arsed to do something."
2) "Oh crap, I replaced into a bad situation and I think not giving town any information is the best play here."

Super coin-flippy. Wtb Damdred dropping some logic-bombs.



Also personally 1 is much more likely that 2. In point 2 I would be much more likely to try and pull something out of my ass.

The fact that you guys only got 10 pages of filter today is really shit.


Not sure who you mean specifically with the 10 pages of filter thing. I think me and NM have like the largest filters this game.


Also super not sure if I want FF with the guy that is a coinflip. Also the guy I can't read has a case on FF.
This could also very well lead to the situation I want to avoid.
This hour will be very interesting.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 23 2015 19:08 GMT
#1789
On November 24 2015 04:02 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 04:00 disformation wrote:
On November 24 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote:
Answer me this does my flip give you a better way to read people based on how the previous person was playing?


Uh... no? ... damn.



Yeah then this is scums preferred lynch. Look for people that were completely null the whole game on me then were like fuck it we just lynch onegu and then peaced out.


quite honestly....that's a lot of people. at least three. trfel, ritoky, fecalfeast, at least three. right now only two scum left.

so that doesn't fully help. ritoky sheeped damdred and damdred is the uncounterclaimed vet.

Shining hasn't voted yet.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 23 2015 19:09 GMT
#1790
##vote Fecalfeast

I really hate how Onegu came back an hour from End of Day. After vanishing for so long. But he's still Onegu, and I'm still almost positive that Fecalfeast is mafia.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 19:11 GMT
#1791
Oh great. I fucking hate this. 50mins b4 deadline, a whole lot of ppl not here. Perfect time to start some action and have a good ol' waffle time. -.-
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 23 2015 19:11 GMT
#1792
On November 24 2015 04:06 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2015 13:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 21 2015 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.

Onegu hasnt read anything and wont until tomorrow.

##Vote Damdred

+ Show Spoiler +
Because why not it Damdy

Actually this makes me think he hasn't seen a scum QT. Obviously to be taken tongue in cheek but still.



tongue in cheek.....might have been dicking around, but the only thing he's consistently pinged you for is activity.

Trfel has a case on him, do you think it's coming from town? and his insistence that fecalfeast is mafia?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2015 19:12 GMT
#1793
You should lynch FF after me btw. Just checked his filter and it is too lazy. Go compare to some of his previous games. He conveniently gave you a link to his games in his filter.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2015 19:13 GMT
#1794
On November 24 2015 04:11 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 04:06 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2015 13:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 21 2015 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.

Onegu hasnt read anything and wont until tomorrow.

##Vote Damdred

+ Show Spoiler +
Because why not it Damdy

Actually this makes me think he hasn't seen a scum QT. Obviously to be taken tongue in cheek but still.



tongue in cheek.....might have been dicking around, but the only thing he's consistently pinged you for is activity.

Trfel has a case on him, do you think it's coming from town? and his insistence that fecalfeast is mafia?



Link
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 23 2015 19:13 GMT
#1795
nvm I found it
Try TL Mafia!!!
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 19:13 GMT
#1796
On November 24 2015 04:13 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 04:11 NocturneMage wrote:
On November 24 2015 04:06 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2015 13:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 21 2015 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.

Onegu hasnt read anything and wont until tomorrow.

##Vote Damdred

+ Show Spoiler +
Because why not it Damdy

Actually this makes me think he hasn't seen a scum QT. Obviously to be taken tongue in cheek but still.



tongue in cheek.....might have been dicking around, but the only thing he's consistently pinged you for is activity.

Trfel has a case on him, do you think it's coming from town? and his insistence that fecalfeast is mafia?



Link


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=67#1324

On November 21 2015 00:15 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote:
Fecalfeast

Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny...

Refs in this game are blind
On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now.
On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet

I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure.

town:
ritoky
trfel
nocturne

mafia:
moose
ve


that's all I got
On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him
On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him

why?

He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel
On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
##unvote

I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town.
On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote:
Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now?

Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future?

VE went from scum to null but sure.

What are you even asking here?

"FF you gonna keep playing?"
You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.

I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all.

How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy?

Anyway, off to my exam.

I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play.

That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame.


Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey
On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5
On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again
On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo.

Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later.
On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him.

2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday.

3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring.

On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho
On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge.


*assuming farah's claim was real
On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel

So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts.

1. Whoever posts is town
  • Disformation from mafia to null (?) for this post
  • VisceraEyes from mafia to null due to interacting with him
  • MoosyDoosy town for being completely obnoxious
  • Backs off on Trfel because he is angry
Furthermore, all of these are really, really weak. One by one:

The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again?

The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all.

For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later.

At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry".

Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!"

2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target

Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town.

At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads.

Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented.

The progression is basically:
  • MoosyDoosy is scum
  • MoosyDoosy could do this as town
  • I'm going to vote MoosyDoosy just because
  • Scott31337 could be mafia, I could lynch him
  • MoosyDoosy should be dealt with sooner rather than later
  • Votes for scott31337 at deadline
Which makes no sense. Fecalfeast doesn't are at all about his vote. And why should he, when it's between two town players?

3. Other factors

I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay.

Conclusion

Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious.
Either I missed something, or Fecalfeast is mafia. There is nothing in between.

I don't understand how everyone can ignore me, no matter how much work I put in.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 23 2015 19:14 GMT
#1797
On November 23 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote:
Like I've said truffle

Why would ff push the case on Breske the way he did?

Why is your case so reliant on d1-2 things when you haven't updated with d3 things?

Honestly his posting today has been pretty good even if it is a short burst. So explain to me why I should lynch someone who obviously gives a shit (pun intended) today and seemingly is scrum hunting.

And why are you complaining when your second scrum read is leading the lynch?

Why would Fecalfeast push Breshke? He was planning on bussing Breshke already. So when I start pushing on him, why not continue to bus Breshke? There's no reason for him not to do this.

Fecalfeast hasn't done anything on Day 3. Look through his filter. He's produced a lot of posts, but no actual work, no desire to solve the game.

The one thing he's said is that I'm 100% mafia for not voting for him right away, but then he decided that I'm not 100% mafia, and he never said what changed his mind.

There's also this post about The Shining, coming to the conclusion of "The Shining may be town based on tone". Which is very irrelevant, already determined by many people since Day 1, and Fecalfeast isn't even confident of his read.

This isn't scumhunting.

I'd much rather lynch Fecalfeast than Onegu. Fecalfeast and Onegu are the most likely mafia, but if I made any mistake, then it's Onegu who is town instead of Fecalfeast. I'd much rather take the sure thing.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 23 2015 19:14 GMT
#1798
On November 24 2015 04:09 Trfel wrote:
##vote Fecalfeast

I really hate how Onegu came back an hour from End of Day. After vanishing for so long. But he's still Onegu, and I'm still almost positive that Fecalfeast is mafia.


can you at least for the love of everything that is good talk about Fecalfeast's activity THIS CYCLE and why he's still mafia? why is he mafia based on things he's done THIS CYCLE?

also "still being onegu" isn't a valid reason to townread him after you said "onegu is probably mafia" (post 1677)
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 23 2015 19:15 GMT
#1799
never mind you answered in your previous post. hold on.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 23 2015 19:15 GMT
#1800
On November 24 2015 04:11 disformation wrote:
Oh great. I fucking hate this. 50mins b4 deadline, a whole lot of ppl not here. Perfect time to start some action and have a good ol' waffle time. -.-
Well, I need to leave.

See you guys later.

Lynch Fecalfeast.
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