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Got interrupted.
For Shining, he brings up good points in 1466 and 1472 and I don't think those plus the rebuttal in 1479 could come from scum.
Also Breshke defending Shining doesn't really make Shining mafia, he can't control what Breshke does.
So I'm on post 1469, where ritoky is posting to Shining. Two things I'm looking at closely.
#2 if I remember the timing right Shining not playing at the time cited wasn't alignment indicative since he doesn't play Mondays and Tuesdays. I wasn't sure at the time if ritoky was just ignorant of this or if he didn't know about that and he was just voting people or putting in a lynch list he wasn't sure of. Him fighting with Eversince for being under anesthesia doesn't mean he's mafia though if you looked at the reasonings why. The excuses aren't mafia in of themselves, but why he voted him over Scott, who knows.
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On November 21 2015 08:55 The Shining wrote:
The Breshke lynch was also 0% yours and you left yourself open to 3 other lynches, 2 on inactive at the time(me and ES) so I don't know how that makes me any worse than you. In fact, you tried to get people onto Trfel INSTEAD OF Breshke before giving up and going onto Breshke. So where I had suspicion and ended up voting him, you tried other lynches before going onto him.
is another reason as to why this setup reason is why he's backing off Trfel. But most critically is that post when he tries to push Trfel over Breshke and he says "Trfel has done scummy things, Breshke has not done anything."
I backtracked to when around the time ritoky "gave up" and decided to vote Breshke based on the FF case. He asked Trfel about an hour after he made his post pushing Trfel for a list of reasons and that was before he read the two cases.
Well the point of Breshke "not doing much of anything" was effectively in Fecalfeast's filter when he said "this filter is random, I want him to explain" (post 1287) and that was the long case on Breshke.
But the real issue is that FF's case on Breshke was on day 1 material. When ritoky pushed trfel day 2, his pushing Trfel day 2 was based on "Trfel doign scummy things nad Breshke not really doing anything" with that activity on day 1.
Why did it take Fecalfeast casing Breshke for ritoky to actually make the conclusion he did on Breshke when the material wasn't new and it was the same material at the time he was pushing Trfel that made Breshke less mafia than Trfel (in ritoky's view)? That gets me.
It actually makes sense for Trfel to even comment what he did - Fecalfeast pushing Breshke? "that's the easiest push in the world." So Trfel suspecting Fecalfeast actually makes Trfel less mafia (for me) and makes me question why ritoky actually didn't try to lynch Fecalfeast (or push him) if the case's material/basis was for material that didn't make him suspect compared to Trfel to begin with. After all he liked Trfel's case on Fecalfeast.
So that doesn't add up for ritoky.
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I think Shining appears to be town from his last round of posting. From day 1 anyhow his not playing is not alignment indicative, but that should be obvious.
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also I think I misunderstood Shining's comment, that Trfel pushing the uncounterclaimed vet was suicidal as mafia (or too scummy to be scum or whatever) not his starting the counterwagon when he really didn't think Breshke was the lynch or didn't want him to be lynched.
but once I'm lining all those things I did two posts ago, I can definitely see a likeliness to ritoky bussing, now the question is Shining or Fecalfeast, I doubt both would have been that revealing but there's always the possibility.
more reading to come....
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I still think trfel is scum I've decided.
Too scummy to be scum is buttcheeks.
Also noctournemage is LITERALLY shitting towny rainbows into my mouth.
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On November 22 2015 01:44 Trfel wrote:
Hi.
I've got plans for today. If scum shoots me, we'll all be super happy anyway.
I guess Damdred is just town. Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu.
There's quite likely at least one hole in my POE list, some of the points raised against ritoky were pretty good.
I'll take a look this evening, hopefully.
Wait I was...
On November 21 2015 05:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 05:23 The Shining wrote:
Brooms rhyme with shrooms =D I'll eat shrooms if town doesn't win >.>
Trfel do you still think FF is scum? I don't see how Fecalfeast can be town here. Breshke was obviously bussed. My push on Fecalfeast would have given mafia a golden opportunity to switch off of Breshke, but nothing happened. In addition to all of Fecalfeast's play, that absolutely confirms him as mafia.
ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED mafia.
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"Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu."
IDK if I had someone who was ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED mafia, I would vote them.
##vote trfel
Take everything everyone said about trfel being too scummy to be scum and that's my case except that he's so scummy that he's scum.
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I've been fast and loose all game trfel look at my posts and find my mafia partner man this should be easy you only have 1 scum left to find man
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rip me asfdjklkugklu,tgck
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On November 22 2015 04:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not gonna self meta but I did link all my games in my trash talk post. Have a look at a fecalfeast mafia game.
So basically I skimmed your games real quick. There was one that only lasted a day so I just ignored that one.
Basically you post loads when you are mafia from what I can tell. At least you have to know that. So how can we be so sure that you aren't fooling us by having us comparing this game with your past mafia games? Plenty of players don't post much as mafia.
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This is where I am starting the day at
Damdrrd- confirmed
Shining- town
Now lets go from there I want each person to play a game with me, tell me why I should town read you. And who you think is most likely town (one person) and why.
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shining, we need to have a come to jesus moment.
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so basically i took your advice, went back and read our previous game together where you said we were both town and my read on you was hot trash. turns out my read on you this game is like verbatim the exact same shit....you might just be one of those people for me...
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Sure.
Well I'm town, but I think I've earned townreads by looking at different people from different approaches, and re-evaluating play based on certain criteria (like votes, whether they follow up, whether someone's argument makes sense in context, etc) I think my line of play should be relatively easy to follow and if people have problems with my alignment based on how I have played, they are more than welcome to ask and try and clear things up.
Right now, the most obvious townread is you Damdred, aside from being uncounterclaimed, from what I've read of how you are doing things you are taking the approach of stepping back and looking at and re-evaluting people. From what I can tell you don't really have the urgency to keep someone alive.
Aside from you, I think it's a tossup between Shining and disformation. the latter doesn't really have that much more experience than me but going through his posts he doesn't seem to have an urgency to keep any particular person alive (like a scum teammate). He is waffly as hell, but I don't recall this being different from when I encountered him in newbie 13. Even if there is a danger of self meta, he's showing to see both sides of players and the biggest thing to me is that he's doing a lot of reading of the thread to show where he's going with things. He could have protected Breshke given there were a lot of lurkers but him going for him early is very good on him.
Shining's activity has been extremely sporadic but he's raised some very good points (omgus aside, well then again it's not really omgus lol) as to why ritoky's play doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Additional points on the multiple vote switches that made me think twice and ultimately has driven the thread now, even if he hasn't been around to do it often. Between the two anyhow, I think he's more town than ritoky.
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whilst you're here ritoky, mind explaining to me what a soul read is? some extension of a meta read?
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On November 22 2015 08:04 NocturneMage wrote:
whilst you're here ritoky, mind explaining to me what a soul read is? some extension of a meta read?
soul read is a term used for a meta read/tone read shared between 2 people that is above 90% accuracy.
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On November 22 2015 07:05 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 01:44 Trfel wrote:
Hi.
I've got plans for today. If scum shoots me, we'll all be super happy anyway.
I guess Damdred is just town. Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu.
There's quite likely at least one hole in my POE list, some of the points raised against ritoky were pretty good.
I'll take a look this evening, hopefully. Wait I was... Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 05:26 Trfel wrote:On November 21 2015 05:23 The Shining wrote:
Brooms rhyme with shrooms =D I'll eat shrooms if town doesn't win >.>
Trfel do you still think FF is scum? I don't see how Fecalfeast can be town here. Breshke was obviously bussed. My push on Fecalfeast would have given mafia a golden opportunity to switch off of Breshke, but nothing happened. In addition to all of Fecalfeast's play, that absolutely confirms him as mafia. ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED mafia. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +"Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu." IDK if I had someone who was ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED mafia, I would vote them. ##vote trfelTake everything everyone said about trfel being too scummy to be scum and that's my case except that he's so scummy that he's scum.
Based on the above posts, why does this make trfel mafia? to the point before I said that the material you cased Breshke on was from day 1 hence Trfel saying your push was too easy. that made more sense once I re-read in context. But why does that associative read "my push on Fecalfeast would have given mafia a golden opportunity....." make him mafia?
if I had to pretend for just one second that trfel is town, tbf he's screaming at the thread and no one is listening to him, there are two scum remaining.
how do you know he's not going to sort out (first quote) someone else if no one is listening to him on his primary scumread? the first quote indicates just that.
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cheers ritoky. a bit foreign how I could believe in the event two people "soul-reading" each other are both mafia, but that is besides the point. a ways to go for me before I can even think of metareading...
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btw your entire case has either already been addressed, just wrong, or straight falsification btw.
for example: you talk about ff's breshke case impacting my vote or read. it didn't. i have a read of 1 between trfel and breshke because of setup and mafia knowing about setup that you can't seem to grasp or refuse to grasp cuz it implicates you. trfel got mad and felt town, ff felt town, breshke felt not here. voted breshke. pretty simple shit. every case made against breshke that didn't say "he is afk" this game was shit. like literal shit. he just so happened to end up being mafia.
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Actually....hold on. there could be a possible answer to the first question in 1195. But let's see if you can figure that one out.
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On November 22 2015 08:09 NocturneMage wrote:
cheers ritoky. a bit foreign how I could believe in the event two people "soul-reading" each other are both mafia, but that is besides the point. a ways to go for me before I can even think of metareading...
so you think that me and damdred are mafia?
damdred is the only person i have a soul read on....and he is blue so it is pointless; but he already said his soul read on me says i am town.
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also just a warning to everyone, my activity level may drop substantially between now and friday...i will do my best, but i have family flying in and staying for thanksgiving and such.
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