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how do you know they are going to think about setup the way you have? that might sound like a silly question honestly, but even if they are not technically new players, are they experienced enough as you to grasp those types of things? I honestly don't know the question to that or how well/poorly these people play as scum, which is why I make zero assumptions either way.
and if you are so sure of trfel being town for whatever reason ritoky, then where does that put you with Fecalfeast pushing against him?
as for Fecalfeast's case impacting your vote, you clearly commented you liked it with the caveat that it was made so late. and you said you liked trfel's case on Fecalfeast. that was gathered from reading your filter relative and taking an order of events.
and if you are saying that case did NOT impact your read, then how are you going from what you said in post 1244 to voting Breshke? "Breshke hasn't done anything...." and then Trfel even said "that push on Breshke was too easy."
welp, there were several valid points against Breshke, the biggest one being the issue with the disformation/farah reads that he refused to explain especially at the time they were both scumreading each other. and unlike day 1, lack of followup, not like the way he kept pushing VE by contrast. It was a valid reason to change any read from prior day.
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On November 22 2015 08:13 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 08:09 NocturneMage wrote:
cheers ritoky. a bit foreign how I could believe in the event two people "soul-reading" each other are both mafia, but that is besides the point. a ways to go for me before I can even think of metareading... so you think that me and damdred are mafia? damdred is the only person i have a soul read on....and he is blue so it is pointless; but he already said his soul read on me says i am town.
no. that is not at all what I am saying. the second sentence was a hypothetical that would have applied to any two such players soul-reading near the beginning of the game. long ago had reason to believe damdred's claim as true.
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getting ready to head to the airport to pick up family.
yes breshke and trfel have both played enough games to understand bussing is more advantageous than not in a game where the mod tells you "0 investigations" from moment 1. i would expect them to act accordingly. i am willing to admit it isn't a perfect read that guarantees trfel is town; but i like my unorthodox reads.
i think my read on shining might just be dogshit and he might just be town and i might just have a terrible read on him. disfo is nearly conf town from vote perspective. damdred is blue. i am town. so pretty much i need to find a town between trfel, onegu, NM, and ff and then we just lynch the rest and win the game.
currently i think ff is most town, so onegu/nm/trfel wins the game.
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I probably should have used the word "skilled" as opposed to "experienced" but I hoped the concept would have come across either way.
And your scumteam won't win the game.
Onegu, no idea either way honestly and why you think Trfel and I would be on a team together when I was hard scumreading him (and still have issues with aspects of his play at the moment) and prioritising Breshke over him in lynching him.
So thinking that I could be on a scumteam or a possible scumteam with Trfel and Breshke is utterly absurd. my line of play would be a losing proposition.
Also why are you second guessing your read on Shining? or to word it more specifically, where is the town side of things in Shining where you previously saw scum?
You also have to explain why my explanations for "bussing" Breshke from your view don't make any sense. It was something disformation and I were discussing actually and we both voted Breshke early. So what makes him town and myself not so, I recall his explanation being similar to mine, and though I switched my vote to Trfel, I said multiple times I would switch back to Breshke if I needed to - highest likeliness of scum was the phrasing I used.
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in any case, I'm out, wife just took off, and she reaches London in 7 hours....which means I basically need to go to bed now.
questions, will try my best. Monday, will catch up best I can.
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Honestly bussing breshke there instead of pushing onto trfel means either trfel is scum or the scum team has a lower staning in the thread gwneraly speaking
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On November 22 2015 08:07 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 07:05 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 22 2015 01:44 Trfel wrote:
Hi.
I've got plans for today. If scum shoots me, we'll all be super happy anyway.
I guess Damdred is just town. Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu.
There's quite likely at least one hole in my POE list, some of the points raised against ritoky were pretty good.
I'll take a look this evening, hopefully. Wait I was... On November 21 2015 05:26 Trfel wrote:On November 21 2015 05:23 The Shining wrote:
Brooms rhyme with shrooms =D I'll eat shrooms if town doesn't win >.>
Trfel do you still think FF is scum? I don't see how Fecalfeast can be town here. Breshke was obviously bussed. My push on Fecalfeast would have given mafia a golden opportunity to switch off of Breshke, but nothing happened. In addition to all of Fecalfeast's play, that absolutely confirms him as mafia. ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED mafia. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +"Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu." IDK if I had someone who was ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED mafia, I would vote them. ##vote trfelTake everything everyone said about trfel being too scummy to be scum and that's my case except that he's so scummy that he's scum. Based on the above posts, why does this make trfel mafia? to the point before I said that the material you cased Breshke on was from day 1 hence Trfel saying your push was too easy. that made more sense once I re-read in context. But why does that associative read "my push on Fecalfeast would have given mafia a golden opportunity....." make him mafia? if I had to pretend for just one second that trfel is town, tbf he's screaming at the thread and no one is listening to him, there are two scum remaining. how do you know he's not going to sort out (first quote) someone else if no one is listening to him on his primary scumread? the first quote indicates just that.
He had 48 hours to convince me that he's figuring out. Votes can change my boy
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On November 22 2015 04:18 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 05:58 disformation wrote:On November 20 2015 11:13 ritoky wrote:
pretty good post by trfel about ff. + trfel angry might mean trfel the town out of trfel/breshke and i was just wrong.
pretty good post by ff about breshke. hate that it took a good case on him to prompt it though. On November 20 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote:
it still really irks me that ff only did something after he got cased.
random thought: if breshke is mafia, ff can still easily be with him. On November 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:
##vote: breshke
also in support of a shining or ever lynch. might be convinced of an ff lynch. Why is he voting Breshke together with FF who he suspects and kinda wants to lynch, too? And why is he suggesting to lynch two ppl who are very afk at that time? Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 05:41 The Shining wrote:
Yes. And rits d1 votes were me>Moosy>Scott. Im town, Moosy is unccd vig, scott flipped town. If he was suspicious of me enough to vote me, he should've been more worried about me voting Scott with him instead of realizing Scott was town right at deadline because of his post 3 mins before EoD.
And the refusal to evaluate. And his always softing me but no push or outright reasoning for why I'm scum.
I want to lynch ritoky. Confirming you are basically saying that ritoky is suspicious for voting with his scumreads on other people? Makes sense. I did not think too much of him initially because of all the vote switching he did (and others like Farah I think switched multiple times) but I'd have to take a closer look at his filter.
Correct.
Will answers Damdred's question next and then finish up the legwork from earlier.
If there are any other questions: I am kinda around, response times might be low cause I'm writing walls. 
Also: GG sweetheart, I'll miss ya.
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Damdred you still around? Was the legwork from earlier what you were looking for? Any conclusions from that?
I found Trfel going from "Nah this is not a fake claim" "to lets lynch her" a bit confusing after farah's claim.
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Its interesting, trfels reaction is interesting though everyone's reaction was about the same I suppose.
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This whole game makes me want to lynch ff and trfel sorta. Its hard
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Im here. I feel like shit. Will try to read now.
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On November 22 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote:
This whole game makes me want to lynch ff and trfel sorta. Its hard
I currently feel like Trfel has pulled so many strange plays, I won't be able to figure out his alignment unless he flips... 
Current PoE is:
Trfel, FF, ritoky, Onegu
Unless The Shining or NM have played a very good game and managed to pull some wool over my eyes. Will probably read their filters again tomorrow to make sure.
Could the game be stupid and really simple with a Breshke/Trfel/Onegu team?
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I'm fine sacrificing myself to the dark gods, as I said. I'd again like to kill me before we are in mylo if we go the PoE route though.
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On November 22 2015 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm fine sacrificing myself to the dark gods, as I said. I'd again like to kill me before we are in mylo if we go the PoE route though.
Ugh, I don't know. Your tone and my gut say that I do not want to lynch you. But I do not have much else to go one besides your stuff on Breshke, which I like, too.
And when I look at Trfel all I am seeing is wtf bananaboat.
Also what happened to the "yo mafia you don't want to leave me alive" stuff?
I would very much like it, if you had it in you to do a huge town-rainbow-dump into the thread.^^
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FYI: Also kinda tired, so the other posts I promised will take a bit.
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On November 22 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote:
This whole game makes me want to lynch ff and trfel sorta. Its hard
Is this an association thing? If you lynched me and I flipped town would you still lynch trfel? Why or why not?
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On November 22 2015 09:44 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote:
This whole game makes me want to lynch ff and trfel sorta. Its hard I currently feel like Trfel has pulled so many strange plays, I won't be able to figure out his alignment unless he flips... Current PoE is: Trfel, FF, ritoky, Onegu Unless The Shining or NM have played a very good game and managed to pull some wool over my eyes. Will probably read their filters again tomorrow to make sure. Could the game be stupid and really simple with a Breshke/Trfel/Onegu team?
I mean everyone else(except me) has good sized filters and points where it looks they're trying to solve the game. When the game is this hard, it kinda makes you wonder if it is actually this hard.
Where is Trfel at with reads? I just ate dinner, feeling kinda lazy. FF is still his scum? Who is the other?
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