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On November 19 2015 09:00 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Trfel also doesn't show that I did want to lynch Breske yesterday before I got cold feet. Breshke was geript top scum read and a few posts later I felt ff was the vigilante.
This explanation is completely false.
Saying that Fecalfeast is scum and being unsure about Breshke and then voting for Breshke is fine. The problem is that FarahBlackwing never bothered to post the reasons that Breshke is mafia. Today, she's said "the vigilante is stupid for not claiming" and "I'm not going to cooperate", but she hasn't said "I think that this person is mafia, and here is why".
There's no new thought that FarahBlackwing arrived at to explain how she got to a scumread of Breshke. The read change is completely made up.
Also, FarahBlackwing's suspicions of Fecalfeast being the vigilante had nothing to do with this at all, as shown by her asking for the vigilante to claim in the same post where she voted for Breshke.
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Ok I'm done.
Have fun with your game. Promised Ian 2 games, but gl town.
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On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote:
Disfo you get half a town point just for being the only one to mention that post tbh. I'm not gonna quote it and stretch the thread out but this is in response to 1072.
A half point?! That is like one brazillion more than I got this whole game so far. On one hand I want to hold onto it, but on the other hand I am quite positive it will be gone quite soon.
On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote:
First point. Right I dont want to but I did anyway cuz I felt it necessary to point out. Yolo. And considering ES was one of the only players I had directly interacted with, it would make sense that she was the read I was most sure of.
Okay, fair enough.
On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote:
No I didn't miss that post and I won't go into wifom territory on whether scum ritoky would do that or not. The point I was trying to make is that he himself claimed he tried to get a switch. But he can't really say he did that when that Scott post and his switch were all at the last possible minute. It just looked like he said that to make himself look good.
A bit tinfoily, but I can see/understand that now.
On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote:
Skipping the fair enough.
Fair enough.
On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote:
I agree with you there. But if Moosy is in fact town, then I'm more inclined to think the early voters that never moved are more likely scum than the vote switchers. Like if town is getting lynched regardless, scum has no motivation to move back and forth a bunch of times.
That is a good one! Will look at my vca post and see who that would apply to.
On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote:
So you think Farrah is scum then? I believe someone asked you before to show when and where your null read on her became scum. Can you do that now? What do you think of her blue claim?
I had her as scum N1. Will link that (again, I think I linked it for breshke a few pages ago)... actually will put the relevant part in an extra post.
Currently my official read on her is:
wtf bananaboat.
Which is like 3rd party, but slightly tastier and floating on water.
Or rather uncced vet with plays that make no sense for either town nor scum. But I might look at it again, if I am able to figure out what the correct bait for a wtf bananaboat is.
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Farah, I'm going to say this. when you are getting tunnelled or scumread or whatever you want to call it, I was advised you find scum. If you honestly felt there was a valid point to figuring out what Fecalfeast's role was - and he claimed he wasn't vig - you would have moved forward by saying
"alright, Fecalfeast isn't vig, he could be scum because of X," or "if fecalfast is town and if some person Y is vig" then I'm down to this method, etc.
even in your world you aren't moving town forward
also post 1129, Trfel is using the word malicious as in mafia agenda. Not that you were insulting, but your play is mafia play.
now I have time to sit down, I will look into eversince, and do the best I can here. at least before 2am.
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Farah only redux version of my huge post at:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=48#948
Note that I also made one mistake in this post, as written in the post after that wall.
On November 18 2015 23:37 disformation wrote:Decided to leave farah's filter for later. Looking at the votes yesterday. Warning this will be a wall.
Starting from yesterday afternoon approximately 7 hours before deadline we were at: Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 22:13 LoneMeow wrote:Day 1 VotecountMoosyDoosy (3): NocturneMage, disformation, MoosyDoosy, Trfel, disformation, NocturneMage The Shining (1): FarahBlackwing, ritoky, disformationFarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, VisceraEyes, MoosyDoosyFecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes mooseydoosey (1): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast scott31337 (0): disformationTrfel (0): scott31337VisceraEyes (0): NocturneMage, NocturneMageNot Voting (6): geript, scott31337, Breshke, The Shining, Trfel, FarahBlackwing It looks like MoosyDoosy will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 3 votes!
Voting is Mandatory! Do not forget to vote!
Vote tracker may be found here. I will now continue to look at the votes that followed and the excuses/explanations for them.
Conclusions Farah If I am but a leaf in the wind, then what is Farah? + Show Spoiler +scum! Like seriously I did waffle around a fair bit, but she is all over with her votes...
Looking at Farah's and Trfel's filters next.
My mistake is in the red line. She did not like scott from the start and she doesn't care if it is scott or breshke. Which makes that thing look a bit better but still...
Looks to me like she throws her vote around a lot trying to figure were it will stick and not really caring which townie gets lynched, but strangely avoiding the MD wagon.
Actually... if she was scum wouldn't it be better to just stick to scott from the very beginning? Hmm...
Well... that was my read at the time, currently she is a wtf bananaboat.
Will I ever be able to stick to a read? Find out in the next episode of Waffle Boy.
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On November 19 2015 09:48 disformation wrote:
Currently my official read on her is:
wtf bananaboat.
Which is like 3rd party, but slightly tastier and floating on water.
Or rather uncced vet with plays that make no sense for either town nor scum. But I might look at it again, if I am able to figure out what the correct bait for a wtf bananaboat is.
as glowingbear told me in my newbie 13 game, scum play to survive. even if we go through a cycle, say we fuck up again and mislynch, night phase passes and she's not taken out, if she gets one mislynch out of that, she's gotten her team closer to victory. 2 mislynches left in that scenario.
alright now eversince.
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On November 19 2015 09:48 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote:
I agree with you there. But if Moosy is in fact town, then I'm more inclined to think the early voters that never moved are more likely scum than the vote switchers. Like if town is getting lynched regardless, scum has no motivation to move back and forth a bunch of times. That is a good one! Will look at my vca post and see who that would apply to.
On November 19 2015 05:44 disformation wrote:scott31337 (6): disformation, Trfel, FarahBlackwing, FarahBlackwing, Fecalfeast, disformation, ritoky, The Shining, NocturneMage MoosyDoosy (4): NocturneMage, disformation, MoosyDoosy, Trfel, disformation, NocturneMage, Breshke, scott31337, ritoky FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, VisceraEyes, MoosyDoosyFecalfeast (1): VisceraEyesBreshke (1): geript, FarahBlackwing, disformationThe Shining (0): FarahBlackwing, ritoky, disformationTrfel (0): scott31337VisceraEyes (0): NocturneMage, NocturneMagemooseydoosey (0): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeastdisinformation (0): FarahBlackwingSo the wasted votes minus Eversince were town. This tells us that town is... + Show Spoiler +Especially if MD is indeed town, which I think is likely, anyone on of the remaining people could be maffay, from looking at the vca alone. *sigh*
Early voters that never moved. Why that would be MoosyDoosy. -.-
ritoky only moved to "try and save" scott.
scott is conf. town and nai...
leaving Breshke:
he did vote MD around 5h15 b4 deadline and went to bed.
If I look at my huge ass post again (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=48#948), that starts considering votes from 7h before deadline to deadline, I think this can still be considered early. Next post from Breshke is well into N1.
I also don't think that all the mafia are on the scott train.
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On November 19 2015 10:11 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 09:48 disformation wrote:
Currently my official read on her is:
wtf bananaboat.
Which is like 3rd party, but slightly tastier and floating on water.
Or rather uncced vet with plays that make no sense for either town nor scum. But I might look at it again, if I am able to figure out what the correct bait for a wtf bananaboat is.
as glowingbear told me in my newbie 13 game, scum play to survive. even if we go through a cycle, say we fuck up again and mislynch, night phase passes and she's not taken out, if she gets one mislynch out of that, she's gotten her team closer to victory. 2 mislynches left in that scenario. alright now eversince.
Oh right. If we don't lynch her today and mafia doesn't shoot her, we have to worry about her again tomorrow... crap.
For me it is currently either her or Breshke.
Since I am not happy lunching into uncc blue...
##vote Breshke
Will cobble together a case.
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On November 19 2015 09:58 NocturneMage wrote:
also post 1129, Trfel is using the word malicious as in mafia agenda. Not that you were insulting, but your play is mafia play. This is completely true, I didn't realize that it was assumed the opposite. I'm sorry.
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Oh fuck... I am voting together with my one super suspicious person on my other super suspicious person... -.-
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also disformation....
from newbie 13, I was caught out as mafia on voting analysis. I am decently sure the way moosy's been playing he is probably town now. If that's the case, when both wagons are town, there's a decent shot to look at people who didn't give a shit about the lynch or who got lynched or for players that can hide it well, who had a "fake" reaction to try and get one player lynched over another or a bad reason given read progression.
now farah's been cited for this, but who else would this apply?
there were some isolated voters obviously and those people will always come into question but two of these are known town now.
and eversince, who knows.
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Okay guys: small heads up from me:
I am currently living in a world where:
MoosyDoosy, Farah, geript, Trfel and me are town.
So what happens? Nearly all the conflict and posts are town on town, which also explains why the thread feels so dead at times.
I also still think ritoky and NocturneMage are town for their posting.
Which leaves FF, Breshke, The Shining and Eversince by PoE.
Well, since town is at each others throat all the time, why post?
And I really think that Breshke has a good chance of flipping scum.
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How did you arrive at FarahBlackwing being town?
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On November 19 2015 10:21 disformation wrote:
leaving Breshke:
he did vote MD around 5h15 b4 deadline and went to bed.
If I look at my huge ass post again (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=48#948), that starts considering votes from 7h before deadline to deadline, I think this can still be considered early. Next post from Breshke is well into N1.
I also don't think that all the mafia are on the scott train.
Breshke is Australian so timing might be NAI as he might not have had a choice. I'd focus more on the reasoning and not so much the timing.
deadline for me is 8pm. aus has 3 timezones, anywhere from 8-10 hours ahead of me. that would put his deadline at anywhere from 4-6am.
I don't know about you but if I was a student (which he said pre-game) and had day classes I highly doubt he could stay up until "close enough" to end of cycle.
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like there are a few reasons as it stands that Breshke could be scum, but timing of votes isn't a great one.
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On November 19 2015 10:31 NocturneMage wrote:
also disformation....
from newbie 13, I was caught out as mafia on voting analysis. I am decently sure the way moosy's been playing he is probably town now. If that's the case, when both wagons are town, there's a decent shot to look at people who didn't give a shit about the lynch or who got lynched or for players that can hide it well, who had a "fake" reaction to try and get one player lynched over another or a bad reason given read progression.
now farah's been cited for this, but who else would this apply?
there were some isolated voters obviously and those people will always come into question but two of these are known town now.
and eversince, who knows.
Breshke parked his vote on MD relatively early and went to bed.
FF yolo voted without catching up onto the thread.
FF giving zero fucks:
On November 18 2015 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:On November 18 2015 05:00 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shining with the distraction play What did you mean by this? How do you read Shining now? I started reading it before i realized it was :59 and made a joke. Haven't read the pages I slept through yet tbh so I don't think any reads I have right now are useful. I think shining not sitting back and letting scott go to the gallows instead of making a big post seems towny to me but I haven't actually even read the post yet
Breshke "reaction":
On November 18 2015 13:32 Breshke wrote:
Hi im here and catching up my keyboard is a bit wonky atm so i might be even more illiterate than normal.
Moosey do you think I am town or mafia?
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On November 19 2015 10:37 Trfel wrote:
How did you arrive at FarahBlackwing being town?
tinfoil + uncced blue
Other great theories:
She and MD are a scumteam and are competing on how hard they bullshit town into oblivion.
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On November 19 2015 10:37 Trfel wrote:
How did you arrive at FarahBlackwing being town?
I think I know why he said that but I'll let him explain.
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ninjaed and ROFLMAO at the Farah/Moosy team theory.
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Oh, crap.
What if eversince is the real vet and not around to cc?
Also going to stop ranting and grasping at straws like a madmen. Sry for cluttering up the thread...
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