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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 18:08 GMT
#1121
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


I've read the game but I didn't see that?
I'm adorable.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 23 2015 18:09 GMT
#1122
On October 24 2015 03:08 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.

Perhaps a valid point.


Oh boy another one poking at a bee hive.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 18:09 GMT
#1123
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


Well I think his read post was decent enough. It looked like he had actually read the thread somewhat.

Mostly it's that from what I've seen of his scumgame, it's extremely uninvolved / lurky. Here he's invested in the discussion at various points and actually seems to care about what's going on.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 23 2015 18:09 GMT
#1124
On October 23 2015 02:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Yam could just be having a slow start. It's still early int he US today, so maybe he'll pick up. All this talk about lynching yam is a distraction from the real scum, rayn

BH knows this, lol

wtf is with that question, BH?

Do you really not understand how I play?
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 23 2015 18:09 GMT
#1125
On October 24 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


I've read the game but I didn't see that?


On October 23 2015 07:15 Vivax wrote:
Good news boys, yammo either just pocketed me like a newb or he's actually town.

Now I know the above doesn't mean anything but I'm going for the he's town thingy.

Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 23 2015 18:09 GMT
#1126
On October 23 2015 16:36 Alakaslam wrote:
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On October 23 2015 11:21 Chromatically wrote:
I really really do not like this Xatalos read on rayn. Look at this:

On October 23 2015 06:54 Xatalos wrote:
Meh... maybe rayn could be scum after all? He seems a bit too similar to his last scumgame on VS. There his reads were mostly unexplained and the read progressions were rather hard to understand. He also was quite nitpicky / aggressive towards things that weren't necessarily scummy at all. It's an uncomfortable feeling I got from the last pages.

On October 23 2015 07:08 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. I mean... town rayn can be aggressive, but it's usually more focused on specifically scummy things and quite "tunnely". Like a bull seeing red and then attacking until it's dead. From my last scum experience with rayn, he shifted his stances a lot, in weird and unexplained ways. It was more like searching for an angle of attack rather than attacking something suspicious. I get an eerily similar feeling from him this game :/

On October 23 2015 07:12 Xatalos wrote:
Has anyone played with town rayn in like the last months? Has he become this... "shifty", hard to grasp as town too?

On October 23 2015 07:24 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.


Well it's quite possible he may just be scum this game. In fact I'm leaning in that direction right now. He can be great as town.

It's like Xatalos really really wants to call rayn mafia but never actually does. He's just kind of throwing suspicion out there about "an uncomfortable feeling". And then he asks people if rayn has been "shifty"? Like he's looking for approval from other people before he actually calls rayn mafia. Xatalos does end up voting rayn, but never confidently says that he's mafia or even probable mafia. Just non-committal "he just may be scum" and "uncomfortable feelings".

What Xatalos calls "shifty" and "unexplained read changes" really is just that rayn flipped his read on ritoky (and maybe his Hopeless read?). Why doesn't he just say that then? Why ask "has town rayn been shifty?" when you could ask "does town rayn flip reads?" The first one paints rayn in a much worse light, but the second one is much clearer and more accurate to what's going on.

In addition, I honestly don't see how flipping a read is even a scum trait. Mafia don't do 180s on their reads for no reason, but town will totally 180 on reads if they reevaluate and think that they used to be wrong. As scum it's so so easy to just stick to your reads no matter what and not have to deal with the suspicion of switching them. It's possible that a townie just disagrees with me on this, but I don't think it's at all accurate to categorize it as "searching for an angle of attack". And I don't think it's at all a reasonable reason for a vote.

These just gave me a really bad feeling. It felt like he's trying to throw suspicion onto rayn without actually attacking him.



I mentioned that I was probably going to flip my read on Xatalos, so here it is. For some reason I didn't pick up on any of this the first few times around, but it started to jump out to me.

I completely agree with what gumshoe said about Xatalos' reads being very waffly:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2015 09:43 gumshoe wrote:
...

while your here what do you think of xatalos? Personally I feel as if he dedicates alot of talk to the rng thing without actually looking into what it meant about Bh. Burning filter basically. I also get the feeling that hes using my lurky history as a way to waffle on me, thereby positioning himself to go ether way depending on town.

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Dunno. I really don't know how gumshoe should be read. You know? I remember him being a really inactive/bad town once and he was basically policy lynched. Then he was extremely similar as scum and managed to survive like that (I even defended him because of him being similar as town earlier lol). Here he's surprisingly actually posting stuff... Or has he started generally posting lately?


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Hm... I've only ever seen him being semi-permanently AFK.


Show nested quote +
Well so far Blazinghand and Vivax feel town. ritoky too? Not as sure about Chromatically yet. yamato and gumshoe are in the gray area.

Of course, rayn = scum.


Show nested quote +
Hm so you think gumshoe is lightly town? I guess his attempt at playing so far has been decent compared to my past experiences with him......


Show nested quote +
Tbh I think any of yamato/gumshoe/Chromatically could be scum atm. None of them feel strongly that way though.


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And how would you characterize his meta? My experience has been basically "scummy lurker as either alignment".

Would also like to know why you put ritoky as town as especially marv.


He eventually seems to settle on me bieng town, but by then I think the general sentiment was favoring me? if that makes sense / : he just seems very wishy washy, which we all are somewhat at the start of course, but his posting comes off as very repetitive and pointless. He talks about the rng vote, but doesn't infer any reads from it, he jokes alot about the rain vote but again doesn't derive anything from it. Hes just commenting on stuff that means nothing, and cautiously testing the waters with his uncertain reads.

would also explain his weird early interaction with chrom, someone hes kinda pushing but not really.

I'm open to bieng wrong this game, Xata may very well just be perplexed by my bieng really active, but for now I'm reading him as red / :

I go bed now. good night : D

He consistently keeps his options open. Really, go read his filter and count how many strong reads you see. He has one strong read on Vivax that he posts and that's honestly it (apart from his town feel on BH). Look at how much he says "maybe this" and things like that.
On October 22 2015 07:34 Xatalos wrote:
Well I think yamato is probably the most disturbing one of those who have already posted. It's basically nothing but empty complaining. My vote might go to him soon... Though I kind of don't want to abandon the rayn train.

Like what is this? yamato is "disturbing" and he MIGHT move his vote there? It's very non-committal.

If you don't read anything else, look at this post and keep reading from there. He says the exact same waffle about me and yamato THREE TIMES IN A ROW. This doesn't make any sense from a town perspective, but it does make sense from the perspective of a mafia who's trying to be active and show that they're "thinking about the game".


I also didn't like Xatalos' opening posts after reading them again. He starts by asking Vivax where to find a comic, and then spends a few posts talking about randomness and the Random class? Mafia often have a hard time entering the thread, and talking about irrelevant stuff like that is an easy way to do it. He posts a lot and appears active, but very few of the posts contain content. Some examples:
On October 22 2015 06:38 Xatalos wrote:
Why does marv being in the scumteam make it weak? :D

Anyways I was under the impression that TL towns have mostly beaten RNG in recent years.

On October 22 2015 06:32 Xatalos wrote:
Oh well, Java's Random uses the system clock as well, so it's a bit similar, although "more" random.

On October 22 2015 06:35 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.

When he's afk he's mafia.


Unbeatable logic.

I think I've seen him be pretty inactive/useless as scum all around, and mostly OK as town. I think there was one(?) game where he was inactive/useless as town too though.

(This one appears relevant but actually says nothing about yamato, more waffle).


Also his townread on BH doesn't make much sense like rayn has already said. Maybe he's just town and made a bad read (imo) on non-alignment indicative stuff, but I think there's a reasonable chance that as mafia Xatalos just threw out a townread without thinking about the logical town reasoning for it.

Xata openly did as I am doing.

Rayn is scum.


So Slam, if I catch your dirft correctly here, your scumread on rayn goes like this: rayn has been changing his mind a lot, and you expect him to be more tunnelly as town. (This is effectively what Xat said; the xat posts that chrom has posted are mostly not painting xat in a positive light, or presenting the rayn case; so it's hard to see what you're getting at there). Is that all there is to you rayn case, or is there more to it?

On October 23 2015 16:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 15:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear

And the moment I catch up with myself is this buttshite

Very Svengali fail



You don't like rayn's vote on GB. Why?

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 18:09 GMT
#1127
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


Cool that you are actively reading the thread and only came back 30 minutes later when I quoted your name.
I just saw it in your filter.
I'm adorable.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 23 2015 18:10 GMT
#1128
On October 24 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:08 yamato77 wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.

Perhaps a valid point.


Oh boy another one poking at a bee hive.

It is true that you have faded a bit.

We'll see what that means.
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 23 2015 18:12 GMT
#1129
On October 24 2015 03:08 marvellosity wrote:
Meta point on Chromatically:

In Detention (town) he didn't give a single townread on day 1
In Order Mafia (mafia) he did
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 07:44 Chromatically wrote:
I think round is town btw. I like how he's clearly not editing how he posts to seem more "townie" (something scum are focused on). I also like that he didn't even know who was pushing on him when I asked him about it. Scum would be more likely to notice that they're under pressure and be worried about it, because their goal is to not get lynched.

In this game he has given town reads

I'm looking at this because it was a couple of his posts on townreads that made me raise my eyebrows


The only thing raising my eyebrows when I look for what you could mean by that is that he calls it a slam dunk case when ritoky posts the snake picture just like he did in a game as mafia.

I was initially thinking he was joking but given that it looks like he went deeply into his meta maybe that isn't the case.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 18:13 GMT
#1130
On October 24 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


I've read the game but I didn't see that?


Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:15 Vivax wrote:
Good news boys, yammo either just pocketed me like a newb or he's actually town.

Now I know the above doesn't mean anything but I'm going for the he's town thingy.



I thought you were joking when you wrote this.
I'm adorable.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2015 18:13 GMT
#1131
tbh after reading Chrome's last mafia game and his last towngame i think he could still easily be mafia

not sure i want to pursue it today though
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 23 2015 18:13 GMT
#1132
On October 24 2015 03:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


Cool that you are actively reading the thread and only came back 30 minutes later when I quoted your name.
I just saw it in your filter.


LOL you can't be serious. I'm all over this place when I'm in front of a computer.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 23 2015 18:14 GMT
#1133
I think rayn is very town. I've agreed with almost everything he's said and he is acting very town to me. Maybe I'm just hardcore mafia-siding but I don't think I am right now. So I'm not voting rayn.

I still think Xatalos is a good lynch but I've said enough about that already.

I actually really want to lynch BH too. He's just talked about RNG a lot, then questioned gumshoe which didn't go anywhere and threw out some townreads on ritoky and me. None of it would be difficult to do as mafia and it does a very good job of blending in. Check out his questioning on gumshoe which ends up going nowhere, and his read on ritoky which he posts about several times. So I would lynch BH if people were down to do that.

Slam I don't really know, he makes me a little uncomfortable. GB I could see his actions from both town and mafia so I'm pretty null there. I would vote Slam about GB.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 18:15 GMT
#1134
On October 24 2015 02:36 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
I have arrived


Not a carrier, just a shitty arbiter still


On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


Timestamps, bro.
I'm adorable.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 23 2015 18:16 GMT
#1135
On October 24 2015 03:08 marvellosity wrote:
Meta point on Chromatically:

In Detention (town) he didn't give a single townread on day 1
In Order Mafia (mafia) he did
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 07:44 Chromatically wrote:
I think round is town btw. I like how he's clearly not editing how he posts to seem more "townie" (something scum are focused on). I also like that he didn't even know who was pushing on him when I asked him about it. Scum would be more likely to notice that they're under pressure and be worried about it, because their goal is to not get lynched.

In this game he has given town reads

I'm looking at this because it was a couple of his posts on townreads that made me raise my eyebrows

Wait is this a real argument? Are you serious right now?

If you are town that's seriously the worst meta argument I have ever seen.

I get a scumread off of one game where I didn't post a townread on day 1? That's like the definition of nitpicking.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 23 2015 18:16 GMT
#1136
On October 24 2015 03:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 02:36 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
I have arrived


Not a carrier, just a shitty arbiter still


Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


Timestamps, bro.


You don't have what it takes to get my jokes.

"Carrier has arrived" - Carrier
"I have arrived" - yamato
Arbiter - Yamatos avatar
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 23 2015 18:18 GMT
#1137
On October 24 2015 03:10 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:08 yamato77 wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.

Perhaps a valid point.


Oh boy another one poking at a bee hive.

It is true that you have faded a bit.

We'll see what that means.


Yamato, where are you on hopeless? You seemed really confident about him early on

Hopeless is a pretty ez townread IMO.


I actually see what he's saying with Hopeless.


what about him read as town to you? has anything changed?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 18:19 GMT
#1138
On October 24 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:
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On October 24 2015 03:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


Cool that you are actively reading the thread and only came back 30 minutes later when I quoted your name.
I just saw it in your filter.


LOL you can't be serious. I'm all over this place when I'm in front of a computer.


I was referring to this, Vivax.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 23 2015 18:19 GMT
#1139
On October 23 2015 19:02 Vivax wrote:
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On October 23 2015 10:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:53 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Bothers me how first GB goes from "Vivax mafia cause tone" when most people agreed that it's my town tone, and then thinks of another reason to scumread me for and switches over to saying that he's suspicious of my townreads cause he doesn't know how they're formed.

So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first.


Maybe you're onto something.... Well, it does kind of feel like a premeditated push.


No it doesn't.
1.There is no scum-motivation behind trying to push someone who is being universally townread. If scum wants to push someone, they will push mislynchable townies. They (usually) are never going against a hard target.

2.I pushed Vivax because I don't like his tone and his easy town passes. I can find it scummy before further investigating it.

I'm re-reading the game atm.


1. Wow look at you with the pants on your head, scum would never wear pants on their head.

2. The point is that you can just stick to your guns in that case instead of complaining about me not explaining my reads which is something that doesn't catch scum most of the time. There are dozens of read lists in this game and not every read is explained properly, it's a bottomless barrel.

For example there's you saying marv has changed his playstyle and you're not sure about it and then he's suddenly green in the list post of yours, if I ask you why you'd say "I changed my read cause bsbs", great. If I call you scum for it you will just give a reasonable explanation.

Or the irony in saying my reads are too static but being suspicious about me giving out too many of them, and basically being the first to do so.

You accuse first and ask questions later, that's what I demonstrated with the post of mine and I have a hard time seeing you as the kind of guy who usually tunnels me for reasons I don't understand (like Koshi/Artanis/marv in earlier days).


So Vivax, if I understand what you're getting at here, you were tonereaded by Vivax as scum. After people came in to defend you, Vivax then said "GB is pushing easy targets, so he's still scum". Why is GB scum and not a tunnelled townie for this? I think you raise a good point with the marv flip-flop (though again, marv is easy to read this game, so we don't really care about him) but "this guy got tunnelled and changed his reason for scumreading someone" seems like... well, in a vacuum it seems like the kind of thing a townie would do, especially if it's a little unpopular. Scum could easily change reads (as you note GB did on Marv), so why not do that on you? If I've missed context here, fill me in.



Also, if I recall accurately you were one of the early supports of the RNG lynch on rayn. However, glancing through your filter, I don't see anything other than cursory interactions with him between voting him and now, and yet he's no longer on your list. You also write:

On October 24 2015 01:55 Vivax wrote:
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On October 24 2015 01:52 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 24 2015 01:49 Vivax wrote:
Oh Slam with the seniority argument.

I remember how I used that in my first games, trying to incite a revolution of the masses to overhtrow the vet government.

Then I got hanged, torn and quartered.

I'm not saying they shouldn't use it as town. More that they are using it scummily here.


If it comforts you I feel ambiguous about rayn too when he goes after you and not GB but I also take into consideration that we all got massive egos.


Which wasn't too long ago. Where do you stand on rayn, and why? I'm not saying "hurr durr vote rayn now" but I'd like to see a clear statement from you on your position on raynpelikoneet, who used to be a library is obvscum clealry due to rng
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2015 18:19 GMT
#1140
On October 24 2015 03:16 Chromatically wrote:
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On October 24 2015 03:08 marvellosity wrote:
Meta point on Chromatically:

In Detention (town) he didn't give a single townread on day 1
In Order Mafia (mafia) he did
On June 11 2014 07:44 Chromatically wrote:
I think round is town btw. I like how he's clearly not editing how he posts to seem more "townie" (something scum are focused on). I also like that he didn't even know who was pushing on him when I asked him about it. Scum would be more likely to notice that they're under pressure and be worried about it, because their goal is to not get lynched.

In this game he has given town reads

I'm looking at this because it was a couple of his posts on townreads that made me raise my eyebrows

Wait is this a real argument? Are you serious right now?

If you are town that's seriously the worst meta argument I have ever seen.

I get a scumread off of one game where I didn't post a townread on day 1? That's like the definition of nitpicking.

no, rayn told me meta made you look town and I've gone and looked and I disagree.

can you tell me qualities you think you're displaying this game that you didn't in your mafiagame?
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