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hi yamato
let's kill Slam
he is mafia
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On October 24 2015 02:57 gumshoe wrote:
Also what was it that made gj look better to you Yamato?
The post Hopeless pointed out.
It did actually look townie to me.
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On October 24 2015 02:57 marvellosity wrote:
hi yamato
let's kill Slam
he is mafia
I'm not opposed.
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests.
OK Rayn I kinda get what you're getting at here but let's look at the shared game history between me and xat
1. II Titanic Mini Mafia -- I replaced in for cdgcorazon (wow, I remember that dude) and was the town vigi. Also that was a shitshow
2. TL Mafia LXIV -- Another shitshow, in which I was town
3. TL MAfia LXIV Part 2 -- I was town again
4. Golden Sun Lost Age -- I was Isaac, Town, again
5. Assassination Mafia -- I was town
6. Paranoia Mafia -- I was town
In other words, Xatalos has literally never played with scum Blazinghand. He has no firsthand experience of playing with me. He couldn't know, not wihtout doing research or blindly trusting others. He is unaware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has not seen it first hand.
Ritoky has played with me twice. Once in Golden Sun Mafia, and once in Cell Mini Mafia, the infamous game in which I took photos of cardboard boxes and pretended to be moving house and not have internet. Ritoky is aware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has seen it first hand.
That being said, I still like Ritoky doing resaerch on my meta and when I use RNG. Yes, he's wrong, and yes, he should remember what I'm willing to do, but he sitll went and did actual research when has scum it would have been totally unnecessary, right?
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On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote:
So after catching up.
Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.
I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.
Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.
Yamato did some stuff looked townie.
GB rolled my RnG.
Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.
Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.
I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.
Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.
UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.
Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.
Ummm.....
No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.
Damn I am good at this game.
You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.
Could you elaborate on chrom besides forgettable? It looks as if hes basically your lynch proposal / :
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On October 24 2015 02:11 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 02:03 Vivax wrote:
But rayn and marv are arrogant, I don't see the value in reinventing the wheel there. The way they are arrogant this game should be telling.Kill them if I go. Why are you voting me?
explain
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On October 24 2015 02:59 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote:
So after catching up.
Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.
I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.
Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.
Yamato did some stuff looked townie.
GB rolled my RnG.
Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.
Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.
I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.
Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.
UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.
Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.
Ummm.....
No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.
Damn I am good at this game.
You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.
Could you elaborate on chrom besides forgettable? It looks as if hes basically your lynch proposal / :
Nope. Me forgetting you are in the game means you must be scum.
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Blazinghand
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Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?
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On October 24 2015 02:58 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 02:57 gumshoe wrote:
Also what was it that made gj look better to you Yamato? The post Hopeless pointed out. It did actually look townie to me.
you mean this one?
I meant "shitty scumreads", not shitty scum reading me.
how did this change your read? Can you elaborate?
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On October 24 2015 02:59 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. OK Rayn I kinda get what you're getting at here but let's look at the shared game history between me and xat 1. II Titanic Mini Mafia -- I replaced in for cdgcorazon (wow, I remember that dude) and was the town vigi. Also that was a shitshow 2. TL Mafia LXIV -- Another shitshow, in which I was town 3. TL MAfia LXIV Part 2 -- I was town again 4. Golden Sun Lost Age -- I was Isaac, Town, again 5. Assassination Mafia -- I was town 6. Paranoia Mafia -- I was town In other words, Xatalos has literally never played with scum Blazinghand. He has no firsthand experience of playing with me. He couldn't know, not wihtout doing research or blindly trusting others. He is unaware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has not seen it first hand. Ritoky has played with me twice. Once in Golden Sun Mafia, and once in Cell Mini Mafia, the infamous game in which I took photos of cardboard boxes and pretended to be moving house and not have internet. Ritoky is aware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has seen it first hand. That being said, I still like Ritoky doing resaerch on my meta and when I use RNG. Yes, he's wrong, and yes, he should remember what I'm willing to do, but he sitll went and did actual research when has scum it would have been totally unnecessary, right?
Ritoky is not a target for todays lynch. Stop talking about your RNG, nobody cares about rng XD who do you want to lynch?
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 16:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. I've actually read this thread more closely than any recent games I've played. You should be able to tell by the time stamps. I've spent almost 3 hours reading and thinking about it. I think my reasons are fair enough to vote Vivax. He has yet to explain the townreads, his activity dropped, his reads are static. I think this makes Vivax mafia. If you don't, fair enough. But I don't understand how you can possibly believe I, as mafia, would call both you and marv town while disagreeing with your top town reads. I defended myself by using logic. Thinking someone is scum and asking questions doesn't make my read premeditated. I will always further investigate what I find suspicious.
Given the sheer quantity and magnitude of lurkers at this point in time, why would you be invested in Vivax in particular? I feel like, at least at the time of this post, there are at least 3 people who fit this description. Why not, for example, be on Yamato77 or Onegu or someone else who has had lackluster performance?
On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town
You'll need to elaborate on this-- what doesn't he do as town in particular? Certainly there may be reason to vote rayn (since he is obvscum due to RNG) but a post like this doesn't tell me anything about you or why I would want to vote RAyn. What's up here, Alakaslam?
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On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?
Sorry, why is he okay?
BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.
I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.
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On October 24 2015 01:00 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game.... I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town. Then start playing as town, vote for slam, and stop asking questions about what you should already know instead of telling us you have read the thread. I HAVE READ THE THREAD I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!?? JESUS CHRIST Because if you fail to realize your read on Vivax is actually really terrible then there is nothing to talk about that one. If you can't understand, when four players, me, marv, yamato, and Vivax (and to some extent other players -- well basically all of them) call your read bad, you should probably at least think your read can be bad, as we can't all be mafia, right? Instead of doing this, you come back and say "but i would never do this as mafia". Your read is bad, regardless of Vivax alignment, that's a fact. Yet you are just sitting there on that read doing nothing. Onegu is likely town for his approach towards me early on in the game. Same goes to Hopeless. Furthermore, last time i asked Hopeless to do shit when he was mafia he didn't do shit. I agree Hopeless isn't doing much but is trying to do something, and that is a towntell for him. I will never lynch Hopeless or Onegu here on D1. Never. And you should not either, especially with players like Slam in the game (or even Blazinghand who hasn't actually done jack shit this game). Or ritoky, or gumshoe. Never ever. The last three of those have posted but all of theirs posts have nothing much to say. Now not all of them can be mafia, because Slam is definitely scum, and i can't even know which one of them is/isn't scum, but i am most certain of Onegu not being mafia. Basically Onegu just doesn't care, which is not what his scumplay looks like, and while i hate the way he plays, that's what he does as town. So if you are town get your head out of your tunnel'y ass and start considering also what other people say, especially when almost everyone in the game shares the view OPPOSITE of yours on Vivax. You fail to realise that I asked your opinion exactly because my townread were saying my scum read is town. But then, when you come to the thread, you scum read me. What am I supposed to do, listen to you and vote me???? Like, seriously, you and Marv could simply answer my question. But instead you decided I'm scum. I AM considering what other people say. Unfortunately, they are saying I'm scum, and that's wrong. I really don't know what I'm supposed to do. Well I think this post is more likely from town.... Hm. It's not so easy to fake this confusion/paranoia as town IMO.
This one actually
Wrong person.
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Btw BH what's up with the unvote :/
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On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate? Sorry, why is he okay? BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too. I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.
You mean my yolo townread on yamato?
Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.
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On October 24 2015 03:06 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:21 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. I've actually read this thread more closely than any recent games I've played. You should be able to tell by the time stamps. I've spent almost 3 hours reading and thinking about it. I think my reasons are fair enough to vote Vivax. He has yet to explain the townreads, his activity dropped, his reads are static. I think this makes Vivax mafia. If you don't, fair enough. But I don't understand how you can possibly believe I, as mafia, would call both you and marv town while disagreeing with your top town reads. I defended myself by using logic. Thinking someone is scum and asking questions doesn't make my read premeditated. I will always further investigate what I find suspicious. Given the sheer quantity and magnitude of lurkers at this point in time, why would you be invested in Vivax in particular? I feel like, at least at the time of this post, there are at least 3 people who fit this description. Why not, for example, be on Yamato77 or Onegu or someone else who has had lackluster performance? Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town You'll need to elaborate on this-- what doesn't he do as town in particular? Certainly there may be reason to vote rayn (since he is obvscum due to RNG) but a post like this doesn't tell me anything about you or why I would want to vote RAyn. What's up here, Alakaslam?
I've said I could lynch Onegu. Yamato is the type of guy that gets afk as both alignments and if he is mafia time can easily tell.
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Meta point on Chromatically:
In Detention (town) he didn't give a single townread on day 1
In Order Mafia (mafia) he did
On June 11 2014 07:44 Chromatically wrote:
I think round is town btw. I like how he's clearly not editing how he posts to seem more "townie" (something scum are focused on). I also like that he didn't even know who was pushing on him when I asked him about it. Scum would be more likely to notice that they're under pressure and be worried about it, because their goal is to not get lynched.
In this game he has given town reads
I'm looking at this because it was a couple of his posts on townreads that made me raise my eyebrows
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On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate? Sorry, why is he okay? BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too. I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.
Perhaps a valid point.
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