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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 15:06 GMT
#901
Apparently rayn mentioned Slam as a PoE suspect at one point but... why is he the lynch of choice suddenly? Over me who's 100% scum, or GB similarly?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 15:06 GMT
#902
On October 24 2015 00:06 Xatalos wrote:
Apparently rayn mentioned Slam as a PoE suspect at one point but... why is he the lynch of choice suddenly? Over me who's 100% scum, or GB similarly?

bcz i am scum obviously. did you forget?
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 15:07 GMT
#903
On October 24 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:06 Xatalos wrote:
Apparently rayn mentioned Slam as a PoE suspect at one point but... why is he the lynch of choice suddenly? Over me who's 100% scum, or GB similarly?

bcz i am scum obviously. did you forget?


Yeah..... It's getting harder to see any other reason....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2015 15:07 GMT
#904
On October 24 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:00 GlowingBear wrote:
nor Marv, who wants to lynch Chrom over Hopeless, me over Onegu and Gumshoe who are voting the same player as I.

what has this got to do with anything at all?


It had to do that your excuse to lynch me is poor when other players are doing the same shit as I but you don't scum read them. You're just being a lazy mofo

I'm not being lazy at all.

What is this moronic thing that keeps getting spouted about people should blanketly scumread people doing similar things?

that's not how mafia works, is never how mafia worked, and will never be how mafia works. just ludicrous
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 15:11 GMT
#905
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.

Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 15:11 GMT
#906
On October 24 2015 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 23 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now

and btw this is what GB does as scum.
He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him".


No, that's not what I do every time, get your head off your ass, I just played a game where I was town and I defended myself the same way.

If you think I'm not defending my read you should fucking read me instead of calling me scum. It's fucking annoying when someone call me mafia without even reading a two page filter. I fucking ASKED you if you liked one of my reads.

great inacitivty lynch


I was at my night class when the game stared and I'm playing two games - when I've got the time I read the whole thread and gave my impressions on all players.

no you didn't read the thread.
if you did you would know what your townreads (chrom/me/marv) say about your lynch targets.
you would also know i don't read you town at that point.

so you didn't actually read the thread.


Yeah, I didn't. You're good. You've got me.

Gg mafia team is me, Leeroy Jenkins and Batman.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 15:14 GMT
#907
On October 24 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:00 GlowingBear wrote:
nor Marv, who wants to lynch Chrom over Hopeless, me over Onegu and Gumshoe who are voting the same player as I.

what has this got to do with anything at all?


It had to do that your excuse to lynch me is poor when other players are doing the same shit as I but you don't scum read them. You're just being a lazy mofo

I'm not being lazy at all.

What is this moronic thing that keeps getting spouted about people should blanketly scumread people doing similar things?

that's not how mafia works, is never how mafia worked, and will never be how mafia works. just ludicrous


It's not blanketly. You have a guy sheeping a read you don't like (and its you're sole reason to call me mafia) and you don't think that guy is mafia at all. Lol.
I'm adorable.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2015 15:14 GMT
#908
On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.

Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter.

i'm not ignoring everything he says afterwards. i liked some of his longer posts.

you're coming at this in a really, really shallow way.

like I can answer your question about rayn's play.

rayn thinks GB could be mafia, but he has nagging meta/tonal reasons that he might be town
rayn thinks you are mafia because of your shit read on him, but he knows he cannot push a lynch through on you at all with me opposing it today
rayn recognises that me and him both agree on Slam, this is a good shot of being mafia and if he hits mafia he gets more cred to go after you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 15:16 GMT
#909
On October 24 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.

Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter.

i'm not ignoring everything he says afterwards. i liked some of his longer posts.

you're coming at this in a really, really shallow way.

like I can answer your question about rayn's play.

rayn thinks GB could be mafia, but he has nagging meta/tonal reasons that he might be town
rayn thinks you are mafia because of your shit read on him, but he knows he cannot push a lynch through on you at all with me opposing it today
rayn recognises that me and him both agree on Slam, this is a good shot of being mafia and if he hits mafia he gets more cred to go after you.

I actually think GB is almost definitely mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 23 2015 15:16 GMT
#910
Gb- I rather not lynch him, his tunnel onto Vivax is probs wrong, but then again I havent really dug into vivax, (but I dont like how he turned around onto Gb / : the guy whose tunneling you tends to be a really easy mark for maf, they can just focus them till lynch and not contribute elsewise, which is pretty much were vivax is at, also I dont like detailed excuses*he done it twice now#),. Overall I think hes just a derpie townie who got caught up in a tunnel with a player whose more null than scummy and now feels compelled to stand his ground. Def been there.

Xata- I dont feel hes done little enough good or plenty enough wrong to warrant a lynch today. I could elaborate but meh.

I still feel pretty good about chrom and Ritoky(less so about ritoky, but in his defense rayn is kind of a black hole that absorbs all your attention at times) so atm I wouldn't vote them today.

Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them.

Over all I'm reluctant to lynch Rayn for my prior meta read, but also because in a game without blues, actives might just get shot outright so doesnt make much sense killing someone who has a chance to bite a bullet.

My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post

marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more


this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me.

also this

I disagree on your assessment of GB. I think he ass-pulled his explanation of his scumread of Vivax. I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts.


This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him. Imagine a mafia yamato for a moment, hes watching this scrub being totally wrong about Vivax(and he would know for a fact that jb is wrong, cause colour red), he sees marv pressuring him and then suddenly stahping and then finally, he sees his chance. From his perspective Gb is the perfect mark, no? Ethier way I feel theres something going on here. I dont think lynching into one of these two is a bad idea, but between them I am sort of willing to give gb the benefit of the doubt for the sake of pants on head.

People I need to read more into -Bh(has seemed rather useless as of late) Slam, been letting him off cause Slam, but thats not a good reason to neglect his filter T_T small as it may be.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2015 15:16 GMT
#911
On October 24 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.

Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter.

i'm not ignoring everything he says afterwards. i liked some of his longer posts.

you're coming at this in a really, really shallow way.

like I can answer your question about rayn's play.

rayn thinks GB could be mafia, but he has nagging meta/tonal reasons that he might be town
rayn thinks you are mafia because of your shit read on him, but he knows he cannot push a lynch through on you at all with me opposing it today
rayn recognises that me and him both agree on Slam, this is a good shot of being mafia and if he hits mafia he gets more cred to go after you.

I actually think GB is almost definitely mafia.

curses

why not him instead of Slam then?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 15:18 GMT
#912
and then gumshoe makes a mafia post again...
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2015 15:19 GMT
#913
On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post

Show nested quote +
marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more


this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me.

also this

Show nested quote +
I disagree on your assessment of GB. I think he ass-pulled his explanation of his scumread of Vivax. I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts.


This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him.

hey I think yamato is very likely to be town. I like all his reads and the way he is making them.

the first bit of this post - no actually yamato was bang on, and it should make you townread him for it, not mafiaread him. The fact, when he mentioned it and I responded, that I conceded he was right should also bring you to that conclusion.

why doesn't it?

essentially (as i already explained somewhere) i had a bit of a brain fart and i wasn't evaluating vivax's town/mafia play properly in my head, so what yamato said about dropping off it too easily was bang on, because if i was using full/correct information, i would have kept on it more. It makes yamato look good because he's suggesting the direction that play should have taken, and he was actually right about it. And i can say that because it was my thought process.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 15:20 GMT
#914
Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me.

After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for.

I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say.
I'm adorable.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 23 2015 15:20 GMT
#915
voting for Hopeless btw, until someone explains why hes town and not just playing to his own meta.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 15:20 GMT
#916
On October 24 2015 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.

Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter.

i'm not ignoring everything he says afterwards. i liked some of his longer posts.

you're coming at this in a really, really shallow way.

like I can answer your question about rayn's play.

rayn thinks GB could be mafia, but he has nagging meta/tonal reasons that he might be town
rayn thinks you are mafia because of your shit read on him, but he knows he cannot push a lynch through on you at all with me opposing it today
rayn recognises that me and him both agree on Slam, this is a good shot of being mafia and if he hits mafia he gets more cred to go after you.

I actually think GB is almost definitely mafia.

curses

why not him instead of Slam then?

because slam is definitely mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2015 15:20 GMT
#917
On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them.


PS if your vote falls on someone who isn't gonna get lynched I will pursue you to the lynch past the gates of hell, regardless of what i might think of your alignment otherwise

just sayin
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2015 15:21 GMT
#918
On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me.

After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for.

I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say.

##Vote: GlowingBear
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 15:21 GMT
#919
On October 24 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.

Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter.

i'm not ignoring everything he says afterwards. i liked some of his longer posts.

you're coming at this in a really, really shallow way.

like I can answer your question about rayn's play.

rayn thinks GB could be mafia, but he has nagging meta/tonal reasons that he might be town
rayn thinks you are mafia because of your shit read on him, but he knows he cannot push a lynch through on you at all with me opposing it today
rayn recognises that me and him both agree on Slam, this is a good shot of being mafia and if he hits mafia he gets more cred to go after you.


Do you honestly think he believes I'm scum based on that? I made an extremely similar push last time I was town and he was scum, and he similarly immediately scumread me for the push. It's actually unbelievable how similar his gut reaction is.

And it's very odd how his PoE possibility of Slam being scum suddenly became the best lynch. Even though he's pushed GB for the recent times. And how is PoE even a valid reason for his lynch choice when he has several actual scumreads and overall his reads are nothing consistent? His reads have changed in so many directions that how is Slam still in a similar PoE position? I think he just saw an easy way out of getting lynched today and went for the easy route of sheeping you, even though there's still like 5-6 hours time left.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2015 15:22 GMT
#920
GB you are not Onegu.

case against me debunked.

ez game ez life.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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