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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 23 2015 14:31 GMT
#861
1. marvellosity
2. Vivax
8. Xatalos
13. yamato77

3. Blazinghand
4. gumshoe
6. Hopeless1der
7. raynpelikoneet

9. Onegu
12. ritoky

5. GlowingBear
10. Chromatically
11. Alakaslam

groups are in no particular order (e.g. rayn would be higher)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 14:31 GMT
#862
On October 23 2015 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 23:20 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
my reasoning was that you're a bit of a pussy as mafia and it would be much easier for you just to townread me when if you are mafia you know there is a 0% chance of me ever getting lynched.

the fact you pushed me before under similar circumstances weakens that as a heuristic though

although i doubt you'd make the same mistake twice


Btw can you really say I'm a pussy as scum after that game where I and Artanis bussed each other all game? That was fun.

yes, bussing each other is pussy way out because it means you don't have the balls to tunnel a townie

gonna have to try meta Chrome at some point. My evening cleared up (i was gonna be afk all weekend and spring that on you guys when i finished work, but my plans fell through)
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 13:59 Chromatically wrote:
Alright yamato is off the lynch list for me. I have a hard time seeing him faking anger about getting scumread by people for this and I don't think he's just making up his reasoning there as mafia. Both of those last posts feel really town to me.

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 00:26 Chromatically wrote:
I don't really see why GB is mafia for that read rather than it just being a bad read.

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
On October 23 2015 02:41 marvellosity wrote:
pretty hard to shake my townfeels on rayn when he comes into the thread saying he has 2 townreads and no mafiareads when at that point i had 2 townreads and no mafiareads and the 2 townreads were the same as mine.

I like this post a lot, I get a strong town feeling from this.

I don't like any of these posts much. I don't think the anger thing is a good reason to townread yamato. I made an unexplained punt vote on GB and it reads as a bit of a weird defence. I'm also not sure that Chrome should be getting strong townfeels from the post i made rather than others/the whole body of play.

Also have this nagging feeling where Chrome described ritoky as picking up on "textbook mafia tells" and he's essentially doing the exact same thing with Xatalos. I don't like it. I understand picking up on Xata's read progression on rayn, I think it's possibly reasonable to be suspicious of that, but the rest of it I don't think I like much.


Well yeah I guess it's a bit odd... He basically suspected ritoky for making a reasonably similar case as his own latest case.... I mean the way of taking general scum traits (keeping options open etc.) then just finding some post where it could be applied and base the case on that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 14:34 GMT
#863
On October 23 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
1. marvellosity
2. Vivax
8. Xatalos
13. yamato77

3. Blazinghand
4. gumshoe
6. Hopeless1der
7. raynpelikoneet

9. Onegu
12. ritoky

5. GlowingBear
10. Chromatically
11. Alakaslam

groups are in no particular order (e.g. rayn would be higher)


Could you explain the scum read on me other than my read on Vivax?

Also, how come hopeless and onegu looks better than chrom?
I'm adorable.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 23 2015 14:35 GMT
#864
literally just explained my feelings about Chrome, GB.

other than your read on Vivax i can't really think of anything that would make you town. so all that's left is a bad read on vivax.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 23 2015 14:36 GMT
#865
Day 1 Vote Count


Vivax (3): gumshoe, GlowingBear, Onegu
GlowingBear (3): marvellosity, yamato77, Vivax, raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (3): Blazinghand, Xatalos, Vivax, Hopeless1der, Xatalos, Alakaslam
Xatalos (1): Chromatically
Chromatically (0): Xatalos
Alakaslam (0): raynpelikoneet
ritoky (0): Chromatically, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (0): Onegu

Not listed (3): marvellosity, Hopeless1der, ritoky

Looks like it's time to sack Vivax for being a traitor!
Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).

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Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 23 2015 14:36 GMT
#866
On October 23 2015 19:17 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 23 2015 19:11 marvellosity wrote:
I think Slam is mafia.

It feels to me like he decided to scumread rayn and then is kinda just picking out posts to make it happen.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 23 2015 14:38 GMT
#867
On October 23 2015 23:17 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 23:10 Chromatically wrote:
So I assume no one agrees with me on Xatalos then?

On October 23 2015 21:59 Xatalos wrote:
Ah, and Chromatically... Not sure yet. He's kept being pretty reasonable / constructive all game, but I don't really think there's been much (if anything?) I've agreed with him on... And that case against me is just, pretty much describing my town meta features as scummy points. The stuff he's saying about me is null at worst. And then I'm confidently scum? I've received a couple of cases like that (from scum) before. Most notably the case that called me a "drama queen" or something (LOL). That was a funny case. Anyways, it feels kind of like those cases, nitpicking null/towny things and painting them in the worst possible light. It doesn't even feel like an actual case, more like an effort to try and find *somethjng* (anything) bad about me... And failing, but calling me scum regardless.


Here are the basic points I made: Xatalos was active without posting anything particularly in the beginning of the game (mafia do this because they want to appear active but have trouble posting content), waffling on votes (mafia do this because they want to keep their options open and not ignore their partners), throwing suspicion on rayn initially (mafia do this to make people look worse than they are), weird read on BH (mafia throw out townreads without thinking about why). The last two points are meh, but the first two I think are pretty clearly scum traits and certainly not "null at worst" from any perspective. The filter length defense is the only good one I've heard, but filter length is not everything.

If people really don't want to lynch Xatalos, I'll obviously consolidate onto someone else. But I do think I made a strong case and I feel good about it.


I mean... Posting a lot (including filler) is my town meta. As scum, I select more carefully what I post. Waffling is something I will do as scum, but also as town, so it's not really.... a point. I think my read on BH is decent, do you disagree with it? Even rayn finally admitted it wasn't meritless (at least "from my perspective" lol). Not sure why scumhunting is scummy again. It's not like I showed suspicion towards rayn baselessly.

I made the point as just a general point not really looking at meta, but when I do look at meta I don't see a lot of filler as either alignment. Waffling I thought I saw more of as mafia than as town, as town I thought I saw a lot more confident reads on people (posting "X is probably town" etc). I didn't think that was strong enough to post though and the post was long enough already. I do disagree on BH, I think the RNG thing at the beginning was entirely not alignment indicative and there was no reason to townread him for it but that's been talked about a lot already and you could be town that just sees it differently (in a way I think is wrong), so I guess that point is fine. The rayn thing the way you said things about him was misrepresenting what he was doing to make it look worse, and I thought that it was weird to jump on him for what you did.

If not you (which is looking very unlikely), then probably GB? I'm looking at GB/Slam/BH and I'm kind of out of time right now but I can finalize that later. Onegu I got a town feeling when reading through for some reason, ritoky I kind of liked his BH thing, and Hopeless I'm willing to trust the rayn/yamato read for now.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 23 2015 14:39 GMT
#868
7/10 votes are on people I really think we shouldn't be touching with a bargepole today.

a bit concerning
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 23 2015 14:39 GMT
#869
On October 23 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
literally just explained my feelings about Chrome, GB.

other than your read on Vivax i can't really think of anything that would make you town. so all that's left is a bad read on vivax.


I saw it, but don't you agree that Chromatically is being at least productive and Onegu and Hopeless aren't?

Hopeless is disinterested just like he was in Avogadro's mini mafia.

But especially Onegu. He is sheeping me. How come you think I might be mafia for a bad read on Vivax but Onegu likely to be town for sheeping me into this very same read?
I'm adorable.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
October 23 2015 14:39 GMT
#870
im on phone, when im home its probably going to be on between me and gb cause hes rustling my jims
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 23 2015 14:40 GMT
#871
Wait Xatalos actually thinks i am mafia?
Maybe ritoky is town after all.
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 23 2015 14:41 GMT
#872
On October 23 2015 23:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
literally just explained my feelings about Chrome, GB.

other than your read on Vivax i can't really think of anything that would make you town. so all that's left is a bad read on vivax.


I saw it, but don't you agree that Chromatically is being at least productive and Onegu and Hopeless aren't?

Hopeless is disinterested just like he was in Avogadro's mini mafia.

But especially Onegu. He is sheeping me. How come you think I might be mafia for a bad read on Vivax but Onegu likely to be town for sheeping me into this very same read?

how is Onegu sitting in group 3 out of 4 just above the people i'm suspicious of "likely town"? no.

productivity is a weird metric. the least 'productive' people are usually lazy town fuckers. mafia try to be productive so they don't get lynched by people for not being productive.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
October 23 2015 14:42 GMT
#873
like he spent more than half of his filter only talking about me and then he suddenly starts posting a whole spectrum of reads, i assume that if he has. wekness in his filter im gonna find it there.

also yeah the unsure about marv thingy was yamato i think, mistook his post for gbs
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 14:42 GMT
#874
On October 23 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
1. marvellosity
2. Vivax
8. Xatalos
13. yamato77

3. Blazinghand
4. gumshoe
6. Hopeless1der
7. raynpelikoneet

9. Onegu
12. ritoky

5. GlowingBear
10. Chromatically
11. Alakaslam

groups are in no particular order (e.g. rayn would be higher)


Well, it warms my heart that I'm so high. Nice to be a pussy I guess?

[image loading]

Anyways, you'd really have to do better than to claim Slam's reaction to a vote / his attack on rayn was weird. I basically got the opposite picture from how he went about it.

Can't really disagree about the option of Chromatically.

GB... Doesn't really seem like the best lynch today. He's kind of null to me, but rayn's odd behavior towards him (hard defense -> hard attack) doesn't really seem like how he would treat a teammate. More like how scum rayn would treat someone he knew was town. So that basically pushes him out of my comfortable lynch range atm.

Is there really nothing else for you to defend rayn with than his initial agreement (not really) with your early reads? Even if his reads were actually quite different back then, unlike you said, and a HUGE AMOUNT of stuff has happened after that?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 23 2015 14:42 GMT
#875
Let's lynch Slam.
##unvote
##vote Alakaslam

I wanna tunnel Xatalos so hard after D1. So hard.
I am literally seeing red and i really really wanna do this.
And i can't unless i lynch mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 23 2015 14:43 GMT
#876
Like i literally want people to vote for either me or Slam.
Then, whichever gets lynched i (or other people) will tunnel Xatalos for the rest of the game.
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 23 2015 14:43 GMT
#877
Xatalos is gonna have like 11-12 pages filter after d1, he's just gonna be town rayn
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 23 2015 14:44 GMT
#878
On October 23 2015 23:43 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos is gonna have like 11-12 pages filter after d1, he's just gonna be town rayn

I don't care. Still gonna do it.
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 23 2015 14:45 GMT
#879
well that'll be productive
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 23 2015 14:46 GMT
#880
Chromatically's oplay is completely different from his scumgames where he basically picks a person and tunnels that into oblivion.
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