EPT[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 43
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Xatalos
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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Xatalos
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On October 23 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote: xatalos is pretty obviously town i think because if he was mafia he'd just townread me. Haha... Ah, I guess you're referring to our PM discussion after my miserable semi-push against you as scum... | ||
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Xatalos
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marvellosity
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the fact you pushed me before under similar circumstances weakens that as a heuristic though although i doubt you'd make the same mistake twice | ||
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Chromatically
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On October 23 2015 21:59 Xatalos wrote: Ah, and Chromatically... Not sure yet. He's kept being pretty reasonable / constructive all game, but I don't really think there's been much (if anything?) I've agreed with him on... And that case against me is just, pretty much describing my town meta features as scummy points. The stuff he's saying about me is null at worst. And then I'm confidently scum? I've received a couple of cases like that (from scum) before. Most notably the case that called me a "drama queen" or something (LOL). That was a funny case. Anyways, it feels kind of like those cases, nitpicking null/towny things and painting them in the worst possible light. It doesn't even feel like an actual case, more like an effort to try and find *somethjng* (anything) bad about me... And failing, but calling me scum regardless. Here are the basic points I made: Xatalos was active without posting anything particularly in the beginning of the game (mafia do this because they want to appear active but have trouble posting content), waffling on votes (mafia do this because they want to keep their options open and not ignore their partners), throwing suspicion on rayn initially (mafia do this to make people look worse than they are), weird read on BH (mafia throw out townreads without thinking about why). The last two points are meh, but the first two I think are pretty clearly scum traits and certainly not "null at worst" from any perspective. The filter length defense is the only good one I've heard, but filter length is not everything. If people really don't want to lynch Xatalos, I'll obviously consolidate onto someone else. But I do think I made a strong case and I feel good about it. | ||
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GlowingBear
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On October 23 2015 19:02 Vivax wrote: 1. Wow look at you with the pants on your head, scum would never wear pants on their head. 2. The point is that you can just stick to your guns in that case instead of complaining about me not explaining my reads which is something that doesn't catch scum most of the time. There are dozens of read lists in this game and not every read is explained properly, it's a bottomless barrel. For example there's you saying marv has changed his playstyle and you're not sure about it and then he's suddenly green in the list post of yours, if I ask you why you'd say "I changed my read cause bsbs", great. If I call you scum for it you will just give a reasonable explanation. Or the irony in saying my reads are too static but being suspicious about me giving out too many of them, and basically being the first to do so. You accuse first and ask questions later, that's what I demonstrated with the post of mine and I have a hard time seeing you as the kind of guy who usually tunnels me for reasons I don't understand (like Koshi/Artanis/marv in earlier days). I've never said the bolded. All my reads are explained in my list post. I don't need to ask you questions to think you're scummy. I can think you're scum then continue to further investigate your alignment asking you questions because GUESS WHAT, I CAN BE WRONG! Or I can get more convinced you're scum. And here we are, the question still remains and you haven't answered them yet. All I know is that you have unexplained town reads, reads yamato as mafia for being AFK day1 and reads me mafia for something that doesn't make me mafia. | ||
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Xatalos
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On October 23 2015 23:10 Chromatically wrote: So I assume no one agrees with me on Xatalos then? Here are the basic points I made: Xatalos was active without posting anything particularly in the beginning of the game (mafia do this because they want to appear active but have trouble posting content), waffling on votes (mafia do this because they want to keep their options open and not ignore their partners), throwing suspicion on rayn initially (mafia do this to make people look worse than they are), weird read on BH (mafia throw out townreads without thinking about why). The last two points are meh, but the first two I think are pretty clearly scum traits and certainly not "null at worst" from any perspective. The filter length defense is the only good one I've heard, but filter length is not everything. If people really don't want to lynch Xatalos, I'll obviously consolidate onto someone else. But I do think I made a strong case and I feel good about it. I mean... Posting a lot (including filler) is my town meta. As scum, I select more carefully what I post. Waffling is something I will do as scum, but also as town, so it's not really.... a point. I think my read on BH is decent, do you disagree with it? Even rayn finally admitted it wasn't meritless (at least "from my perspective" lol). Not sure why scumhunting is scummy again. It's not like I showed suspicion towards rayn baselessly. | ||
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Xatalos
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On October 23 2015 23:08 marvellosity wrote: my reasoning was that you're a bit of a pussy as mafia and it would be much easier for you just to townread me when if you are mafia you know there is a 0% chance of me ever getting lynched. the fact you pushed me before under similar circumstances weakens that as a heuristic though although i doubt you'd make the same mistake twice Btw can you really say I'm a pussy as scum after that game where I and Artanis bussed each other all game?  That was fun. | ||
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GlowingBear
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On October 23 2015 19:06 marvellosity wrote: GB, why is Chrome your #1 townread above all others? Marv, I think he is being productive and trying to solve the game. He has been trying to push his scum reads. There was a particular post I liked and I've put it in the spoilered part of my list post. It's this one: + Show Spoiler + On October 22 2015 11:08 Chromatically wrote: I'm back, I'm planning on rereading the thread and looking more into some people but here's where I'm at now: - gumshoe feels really town, especially that last post. The way he rambles shows a town thought process in his posts. - I don't think BH has done anything alignment indicative and I don't understand why people are reading him town. - I liked when rayn said, "Chrom would be town if I hadn't been scum with him before", I think that statement usually comes from someone honestly trying to read me (i.e. town). - Hopeless' entrance felt awkward to me, did not like it. - Xatalos is town for driving discussion and the stuff he says comes from a town perspective, probably Vivax too for similar reasons. If anyone has questions I'd love to hear them because an uncomfortable amount of people seem to think I'm mafia and I don't like it. The part where he talks about BH is exactly what I was thinking at that moment. Marv I asked you and Rayn if you like any of the lynch targets I proposed, can you take a look at it? It's easy to find in my filter because it's the only colored post. | ||
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marvellosity
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On October 23 2015 23:20 Xatalos wrote: Btw can you really say I'm a pussy as scum after that game where I and Artanis bussed each other all game? That was fun.yes, bussing each other is pussy way out because it means you don't have the balls to tunnel a townie gonna have to try meta Chrome at some point. My evening cleared up (i was gonna be afk all weekend and spring that on you guys when i finished work, but my plans fell through) On October 22 2015 13:59 Chromatically wrote: Alright yamato is off the lynch list for me. I have a hard time seeing him faking anger about getting scumread by people for this and I don't think he's just making up his reasoning there as mafia. Both of those last posts feel really town to me. On October 23 2015 00:26 Chromatically wrote: I don't really see why GB is mafia for that read rather than it just being a bad read. On October 23 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote: I like this post a lot, I get a strong town feeling from this. I don't like any of these posts much. I don't think the anger thing is a good reason to townread yamato. I made an unexplained punt vote on GB and it reads as a bit of a weird defence. I'm also not sure that Chrome should be getting strong townfeels from the post i made rather than others/the whole body of play. Also have this nagging feeling where Chrome described ritoky as picking up on "textbook mafia tells" and he's essentially doing the exact same thing with Xatalos. I don't like it. I understand picking up on Xata's read progression on rayn, I think it's possibly reasonable to be suspicious of that, but the rest of it I don't think I like much. | ||
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Xatalos
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What the heck are all those votes on Vivax? He's definitely not the lynch today. In my experience, his scumgame is entirely different from this. Very lurky and overall uninvolved. I don't really think GB is the best lynch either.. I'd much rather lynch rayn first, since GB is unlikely scum with rayn IMO. Yeah, I'm still leaning towards rayn. Chromatically, where would you "consolidate" if not for me? | ||
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marvellosity
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i'm not totally confident he's town but i have enough reason to take him off the table today | ||
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