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On October 23 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:24 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. i thought you told me ritoky was town? yeah that was yesterday. On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."
So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!? On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH? well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations. ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it. nice one bro. respond. no y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case. Well it's quite possible he may just be scum this game. In fact I'm leaning in that direction right now. He can be great as town. it's an opinion gathered over many games; not just this one.
ROFL
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On October 23 2015 07:29 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah... I think ritoky left the thread before rayn entered, and rayn called ritoky sure scum, and came back to the thread before ritoky... then ritoky was scum? Wot?
EBWOP: first he was sure town, then scum, without anything changing in between
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On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town
rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky".
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On October 23 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato i just don't thee scum GB here.
meh.. i guess i can be wrong here but idk. I just don't see it.
Come on man you can give something more definitive than this.
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On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky".
Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game.
There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because:
1) His read on BH is bad.
2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment.
So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me.
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Finished reading over ritoky's filter and besides that there are some things in there that make me feel like he's town (like his faith in humanity post), I feel kinda irked by the way he leaves behind his gumshoe stuff, but that's also something I might wrongly scumrad him for, so I see little reason so far to scumread him for anything specific.
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On October 23 2015 07:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato i just don't thee scum GB here.
meh.. i guess i can be wrong here but idk. I just don't see it. Come on man you can give something more definitive than this.
I don't know what to say?
I don't think his case on you makes him mafia because he seems to actually believe in what he says (while his argument is wrong).
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On October 23 2015 07:07 Vivax wrote:
I should be like super green, I don't know what's wrong with you people.
I'm a tide of open mindedness and emotions with a bastard coating to discern the weak from the strong.
last sentence made me giggle, thank you
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On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me.
So if you ignored his posts initially, what made you townread him in the first place?
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On October 23 2015 07:09 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:08 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote:
town:
ritoky
BH
slam
marv
hopeless
green side of null:
xata
vivax Slam and Hopeless are town why? I actually see what he's saying with Hopeless. Slam I don't really agree on.
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On October 22 2015 06:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia. Why? poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post. Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance. at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post.
this post looked town.
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On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests.
This is what worries me tbh. Not that I'm saying he isn't a levelheaded person, but I'm kinda struggling to place him in the game which I don't like
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On October 23 2015 07:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. This is what worries me tbh. Not that I'm saying he isn't a levelheaded person, but I'm kinda struggling to place him in the game which I don't like
what do you mean by this? like you don't know where he is headed or what?
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On October 23 2015 07:13 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 01:06 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 01:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 00:48 GlowingBear wrote:
His first post was a vote on yamato?
And yes, he CAN do it as town, but his whole filter has posts in similar fashion. And I usually see Vivax being paranoid. Not this straight forward.
This doesn't make sense. He calls yamato mafia and so he's not paranoid? What are you saying? Like I get what you're saying about the townlist, but you need to explain it much much better about calling people mafia. I may be wrong here marv, but what I'm trying to say is not that he is calling people mafia, but that his posts are very straight forward here (that's what I trying to saying with "absolutes" = he calls a player mafia, he calls a player town - I don't see him having a slow progression on most people. And I'm used to Vivax being way more wary before giving reads). It's basically tonal. This is the same Vivax who tunnelled me and HF and one other based on a connection theory for abour 36h starting from half an hour into day 1, yes? That Vivax who is wary of giving reads? EXACTLY! I think I'm having a hard time even to understand what I want to say LOL. I mean he had a couple of theories to tunnel both of you. He WASN'T straight forward. His town reads were never strong because of the tin foil. But here, less than half a day, he already has like 4 townreads, and two of them I don't even understand why. By the way, Vivax, what are the reasons to townread BH and Xata? Literally scumreading Vivax because too many townreads Confident Vivax is town Vivax. Paranoia is not a trait, but a symptom of his overconfidence in his own reads. He's so convinced he's right, he doesn't care if everyone else reads the player town, THAT PLAYER IS MAFIA Plus he defends me for ? reasons just to throw more shit at Vivax meh marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more
I'm going to be honest - the reason is because I'm an idiot. I basically got stuck in one train of thought and forgot that Vivax is a little bitch as mafia and that a confident Vivax is far more likely to be town. so yeah... makes me feel less good about feeling better about GB, although I'm still not really sure
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On October 23 2015 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:44 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. This is what worries me tbh. Not that I'm saying he isn't a levelheaded person, but I'm kinda struggling to place him in the game which I don't like what do you mean by this? like you don't know where he is headed or what?
I don't know how to explain and it may be nothing
like I know he's been on ritoky and stuff. but with most other people i can remember who they argued with, or standing out in particular for some reason, or meta stuff when I think about them.
so for me Chromatically is kinda just *there*. tbh right now i'm not even sure i'm suspicious of him for it,not filtered him or anything, i'll do that tomorrow. so he can go about his business ^^
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Bothers me how first GB goes from "Vivax mafia cause tone" when most people agreed that it's my town tone, and then thinks of another reason to scumread me for and switches over to saying that he's suspicious of my townreads cause he doesn't know how they're formed.
So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first.
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On October 23 2015 07:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:09 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:08 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote:
town:
ritoky
BH
slam
marv
hopeless
green side of null:
xata
vivax Slam and Hopeless are town why? I actually see what he's saying with Hopeless. Slam I don't really agree on. +1
On October 23 2015 07:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:13 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 01:06 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 01:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 00:48 GlowingBear wrote:
His first post was a vote on yamato?
And yes, he CAN do it as town, but his whole filter has posts in similar fashion. And I usually see Vivax being paranoid. Not this straight forward.
This doesn't make sense. He calls yamato mafia and so he's not paranoid? What are you saying? Like I get what you're saying about the townlist, but you need to explain it much much better about calling people mafia. I may be wrong here marv, but what I'm trying to say is not that he is calling people mafia, but that his posts are very straight forward here (that's what I trying to saying with "absolutes" = he calls a player mafia, he calls a player town - I don't see him having a slow progression on most people. And I'm used to Vivax being way more wary before giving reads). It's basically tonal. This is the same Vivax who tunnelled me and HF and one other based on a connection theory for abour 36h starting from half an hour into day 1, yes? That Vivax who is wary of giving reads? EXACTLY! I think I'm having a hard time even to understand what I want to say LOL. I mean he had a couple of theories to tunnel both of you. He WASN'T straight forward. His town reads were never strong because of the tin foil. But here, less than half a day, he already has like 4 townreads, and two of them I don't even understand why. By the way, Vivax, what are the reasons to townread BH and Xata? Literally scumreading Vivax because too many townreads Confident Vivax is town Vivax. Paranoia is not a trait, but a symptom of his overconfidence in his own reads. He's so convinced he's right, he doesn't care if everyone else reads the player town, THAT PLAYER IS MAFIA Plus he defends me for ? reasons just to throw more shit at Vivax meh marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more I'm going to be honest - the reason is because I'm an idiot. I basically got stuck in one train of thought and forgot that Vivax is a little bitch as mafia and that a confident Vivax is far more likely to be town. so yeah... makes me feel less good about feeling better about GB, although I'm still not really sure
Marv... agreeing with me?
Am I in the Twilight Zone?
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On October 23 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Bothers me how first GB goes from "Vivax mafia cause tone" when most people agreed that it's my town tone, and then thinks of another reason to scumread me for and switches over to saying that he's suspicious of my townreads cause he doesn't know how they're formed.
So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first.
Hmm okay this makes sense.
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On October 23 2015 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:45 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia. Why? poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post. Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance. at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post. this post looked town.
Really? I think it's a pretty general post. I think his stuff about BH was, on the other hand, relatively town... You mean they were scummy in hindsight for you? Meh.
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On October 23 2015 07:50 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:41 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 07:09 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:08 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote:
town:
ritoky
BH
slam
marv
hopeless
green side of null:
xata
vivax Slam and Hopeless are town why? I actually see what he's saying with Hopeless. Slam I don't really agree on. +1 Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:46 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 07:13 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 01:06 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 01:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 00:48 GlowingBear wrote:
His first post was a vote on yamato?
And yes, he CAN do it as town, but his whole filter has posts in similar fashion. And I usually see Vivax being paranoid. Not this straight forward.
This doesn't make sense. He calls yamato mafia and so he's not paranoid? What are you saying? Like I get what you're saying about the townlist, but you need to explain it much much better about calling people mafia. I may be wrong here marv, but what I'm trying to say is not that he is calling people mafia, but that his posts are very straight forward here (that's what I trying to saying with "absolutes" = he calls a player mafia, he calls a player town - I don't see him having a slow progression on most people. And I'm used to Vivax being way more wary before giving reads). It's basically tonal. This is the same Vivax who tunnelled me and HF and one other based on a connection theory for abour 36h starting from half an hour into day 1, yes? That Vivax who is wary of giving reads? EXACTLY! I think I'm having a hard time even to understand what I want to say LOL. I mean he had a couple of theories to tunnel both of you. He WASN'T straight forward. His town reads were never strong because of the tin foil. But here, less than half a day, he already has like 4 townreads, and two of them I don't even understand why. By the way, Vivax, what are the reasons to townread BH and Xata? Literally scumreading Vivax because too many townreads Confident Vivax is town Vivax. Paranoia is not a trait, but a symptom of his overconfidence in his own reads. He's so convinced he's right, he doesn't care if everyone else reads the player town, THAT PLAYER IS MAFIA Plus he defends me for ? reasons just to throw more shit at Vivax meh marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more I'm going to be honest - the reason is because I'm an idiot. I basically got stuck in one train of thought and forgot that Vivax is a little bitch as mafia and that a confident Vivax is far more likely to be town. so yeah... makes me feel less good about feeling better about GB, although I'm still not really sure Marv... agreeing with me? Am I in the Twilight Zone?
well, you're playing mafia 
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