[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 195

On November 08 2015 21:14 justanothertownie wrote:
I think mafia shouldn't be allowed to hold their shoot in this game but otherwise I still think that it was pretty balanced.

On November 09 2015 14:13 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah i was a little surprised to notice this. thanks to vivax for pointing it out!

balance in this game happened in part because h1 and 1g were on my team

....unless i come to the conclusion he is scum then the next thing is to read BH. Just because BH does not really take any stance on any lynch. He really does not, he goes onto his shennies which gives him outs left and right saying either "i was right", "i tried to lynch mafia", "i didn't want to lynch town", or if he hit mafia "i actually wanted to lynch that mafia". Shennies are bullshit and they don't even happen. Period. He is not trying to lynch anyone for reals.

On November 10 2015 06:40 Blazinghand wrote:
rayn, I DEFINITELY shot you for scumreading me. You should be proud! You got it right and earned a bullet for your troubles:



This was so spot-on, except for the last bit where shennies are BS. They do happen, they just don't happen like that; you need a large base of people who are interested in them to begin with. There was a real risk on 1G getting lynched, it was just much smaller than you'd expect cause people weren't the most interested in shennies.

I's also worth noting the gb/yam shennies would only help scum hehe

On November 10 2015 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

D1 when me and marv were voting for Slam there was no way you can ever lynch Onegu (or anyone there).
D2 the only correct play (while terrible) was to lynch yamato, at least when he wasn't most likely gonna come back and vote. Basically you don't lose anything if you lynch Onegu the next day and he is scum, but if he is town and you lynch him AND yamato it's a disaster.

I tried.. I tried so hard to get GlowingBear to do something else than tunnel Vivax, but no... I was planning to look into Onegu and you on N2 and wrote just what i remembered on the top of my head but then again Xatalos said something really stupid and it just killed my motivation. I didn't really have any other options for scum other than GlowingBear / three scum.

But i ill never lynch "null scummy" players over "stupid scummy". I can't make myself do that.
I would say well played but i don't think you played "that" well. Well okay, well played. You won after all.
I think also gumshoe played really well despite the yamato push on D2.

It is easy to say "just shoot the people who scumread you", and I always recommend this, but people are actually very bad at this and it is apparently hard to do.

On November 10 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes ofc. I would have caught you all on N3.
I doubt i would have lynched anyone but GB on D3 but after that everyone else was just town.


well people are dumb and don't think why scum shoot people when it should be obvious.
like idk, i didn't follow the game after i died because i don't care about the games after i die but it seems like i was the only person who was suspicious of you -- i get shot, people thought i was "distracting the town" (when in fact Xatalos was -- really)..

Why does rayn get shot? hmm... Apparently 1+1 is hard.

On November 10 2015 09:00 Chromatically wrote:
How do you determine that the BH read is significant compared to the other stronger reads when you're in the game though? Like how would you determine that that explanation is more likely than something like GB being mafia and worried rayn will get him lynched, or just a fear shot of rayn? (e. g. marv was just shot for being good and not for his specific reads)

Sorry if it's a dumb question, just trying to understand.

On November 10 2015 09:27 Blazinghand wrote:


That's actually a great question. Basically what it comes down to is that it is pretty hard to tell why exactly someone was shot, but if someone IS shot, you want to review most of the cases they wrote and were pushing. Sometimes (As with Ritoky), people are shot because they're unlikely to be lynchable, or (as with Marv) are shot because even if they're not on the right track, scum respects their town play a lot and is afraid they might be on the right track. it's hard to distinguish this kind of shot from a shot on someone who is right on the money and has you as a top scumread, or from someone who is about to catch you but hasn't written a real cse yet (Rayn, this game).

Generally what I do is read the person's last few scumreads and say "this guy might be wrong, but at the very least he's not lying". In rayn's case this may not have led to you scumreading me, since I shot him before he could really develop the case (i'm just skilled that way) but in general this is a good strategy. Don't take their scumreads to heart; just reread their argumetns thinking "this guy is confirmed town". This won't always catch you scum, but it means that the silencing doesn't work. And cause you're not just automatically copying them, but just re-evaluating their arguments, the scum wifom strat of shooting someone who's tunnelling a townie won't work either; you will read the case and judge it on its own merits, but know it comes from an honest source.

Overall btw Chrom I thought you played well this game. I did not think you were a possible lynch target after like D2.