EPTTbh though I'm not super motivated to play atm and am somewhat busy with other things in life. Maybe that will change by the time this gets started though.
Could very well be that the last two losses have just left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Tbh though I'm not super motivated to play atm and am somewhat busy with other things in life. Maybe that will change by the time this gets started though. Could very well be that the last two losses have just left a bad taste in my mouth. | ||
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Well, Hello to everyone just the same I guess. | ||
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On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm thrall I assume you are referring to ![[image loading]](http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/15/152870/2684749-1410539-thrall.jpg) In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. | ||
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I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning  I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. | ||
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Full page of posts in 8 hours. Woke up a little early, so I gots a bit o time before work. Gunna smoke since it's a little after 4am, then I'll be back. | ||
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After today I am out of potent smoke-ables. This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game. | ||
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On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote: Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. | ||
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On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. | ||
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GB Copcake onegu | ||
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How long since you played Xatalos, at least on these forums? Your program is pretty sweet, I need to remember to add some nicknames if they aren't already there... | ||
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On October 13 2015 20:00 Superbia wrote: Oh yeah: Claims post N1 need to be evaluated on their own. Yea, I have no idea what your doing this game... | ||
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Just seems like a silly vote to defend while also saying it's useless to try. | ||
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On October 13 2015 20:10 Superbia wrote: Making a post. But please, elaborate on this. Do I need to? Seems better to wait for this post. | ||
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On October 13 2015 20:15 Superbia wrote: Actually not going to post my post. Had a nice little theory written up about how I think both mafia and third party will play this game. Going to post it later (mayb n1) after people have "played". ;p This sounds reasonable, but it's also a copout... Shame on you sir. | ||
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On October 13 2015 19:46 Xatalos wrote: Here's the current nicknames list if you're interested: https://github.com/Xatalos/mafia-votecount/blob/master/resources/public/js/nicknames.js I've played my couple of last games on Vendetta Strada. Last time I played here... Was this one I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia Yeah I agree that Slam is feeling very carefree/relaxed. Which usually leans towards town... How did you come to that townread list btw? Purely based on openings and what I think. | ||
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On October 13 2015 20:18 Koshi wrote: First 5 posts of the game. Get your facts straight. My hypothetical, semi-accurate, guesstimates will have to do kus I can't be bothered to actually count. Kinda glad that you did for some reason though. | ||
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What part of this post On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote: also I have GB Copcake onegu Made you think I had such reasoning? | ||
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Missing stuff but I'll reread later. | ||
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On October 13 2015 20:26 Koshi wrote: Anybody with KP, please kill Xatalos this night. Wait why not lynch him? Why so stuck on Moosy? | ||
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When do I ever actually tryhard D1? Never understood why you said that last game but you were mafia so w/e. Anyways I'm mobile atm so diggin up stuff on my own meta will have yo wait. Rels is focusing on the wrong part of that post anyways, clearly the important statement was that I was out of Pot. Anyways would like to know what Xat and Koshi find scummy about me, or if they are just sheeping Rels meta case without checking things themselves. | ||
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On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote: Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. | ||
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On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote: GB almost used the same opening last game: It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town You are focusing alot on meta reads Rels... This worries me. | ||
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On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. | ||
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I should double check that everyone has posted when I get home, I might be on to something. | ||
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On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, no. Just thought about something. Koshi is back to null. Don't ask me what it is. I think I know, kus I had a very similar reaction. I'll explain when I get caught up. | ||
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Good to know, lol. | ||
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On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote: This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone. The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do. Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1. Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud. Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day. As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW... Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias. Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that. | ||
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What throws that read off is how he came back to defend that vote and used some stuff that happened after he voted (namely Moosy's play dropping off sharply) to support MD being scum. I also thought this post was very weird. On October 13 2015 20:26 Koshi wrote: Anybody with KP, please kill Xatalos this night. At first I thought it was because Koshi wanted to lynch Moosy still, but now he's switched his vote to me. So I'm left scratching my head a little. My gut is telling me Koshi is still prob town for sticking his head out so early in the game, my head just doesn't get the rest of it yet. | ||
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Basically the idea is that scum are unsure how to open and will often spend extra time on their first posts and talk about multiple subjects. Xat's open practically screamed that to me. On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote: Btw if you want to see the up-to-date votecount then it's here at all times: https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#495390-crossfire-mafia I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason. This felt a bit wrong to me. What I mean is the fact that Koshi was primarily concerned about his own life and while saying that town's position is bad (which should lead to the conclusion that it's time to play well), he concludes that he's going to lurk.. Which left me with the feeling that rather than having good lynches, he just wanted to avoid getting shot. The strongest motivation for that would be if he's anti-town. It's still possible that he's blue or something, but if that's the case, then it's pretty bad play to announce your survival instinct so clearly (making it less likely that you're a VT). Also Koshi: I don't agree that town is underpowered. The anti-towns can kill each other as well, and we have 2 (kind of) Medics in the game. Well, it is a bit random that way. That's 4 different topics, 3 if you combine anything related to Koshi. 1-Votecount link 2- VT Claims, No Claims 3- Quote and scumread on Koshi 4- Town not underpowered The quote in 3 was also brought up by Slam earlier, same bolding even, but maybe that's weak. This might hold even better given that it has been sometime since Xat played here+ Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 19:46 Xatalos wrote: Here's the current nicknames list if you're interested: https://github.com/Xatalos/mafia-votecount/blob/master/resources/public/js/nicknames.js I've played my couple of last games on Vendetta Strada. Last time I played here... Was this one I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia Yeah I agree that Slam is feeling very carefree/relaxed. Which usually leans towards town... How did you come to that townread list btw? Also his defense of Moosy felt a little off, as did his early town read+ Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 19:33 Xatalos wrote: My gut feeling is that MoosyDoosy is town. If you ask me why? It's because he's taking it so easy while being accused. I think it's a bit more likely to become defensive or even over-react somehow if you're actually not town, rather than joke around. Especially since there are several anti-town factions, it's even more dangerous for you if votes get piled on you... On October 13 2015 19:54 Xatalos wrote: Still, basically there's never a reason not to play as town. Only scum(/anti-town) benefits from a silent thread. And it even makes the game MORE random since there's less to work with. Moosy's filter defines silent btw, half of his page is pre-game. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote: Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. That's quite a bit of picking and choosing in how he applies this logic. So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here. ##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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On October 14 2015 05:13 Rels wrote: Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play Here some stuff where I make comments about my play like that, and pretty good evidence other people think that of me, lol. + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2015 15:51 Tictock wrote: Looks like we might be starting soon! Pre-Game excuse: I'm terrible On August 04 2015 14:14 Tictock wrote: GG Everyone! No worries about lynching me D2, I got all that out in Obs QT ^.^ Besides, looking at the game objectively Moosy and myself were Wildcards that needed to be dealt with at some point. Speaking of cards... My best reads were actually when I was doing my tarot stuff. But... besides that all my reads were pretty shit. I think I felt pressured to look like town so I started reading through stuff trying to find something which is never a good way to go. Regardless I think I need to rethink my approach. These were after I got lynched that game On July 29 2015 07:10 ruXxar wrote: Meh, he brought it on himself. On July 30 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: iam sorry for the lynch. not really though, TT was awful. noobking is mafia. mark my words. Different game, Personality, after I got mislynched in what turned out to be lylo. On September 05 2015 07:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Tictock. Seriously. Fuck you. Probably other stuff if I cared enough to dig through obs and shit But that's still missing the point that I was clearly making a joke here. On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote: Sad news Fellows... After today I am out of potent smoke-ables. This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game. I mean I even phrased it like me giving meaningful posts was a bad thing... | ||
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On October 14 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote: Well yeah, at this point MoosyDoosy's inactivity is starting to get irritating. I still get the feeling that anti-town wouldn't blatantly make themselves suspicious like that... Or generally just act without care for their own survival. In my experience people like that are usually town who get easily mislynched by scum. *Rarely* there are cases where scum take that as their strategy and WIFOM themselves out of suspicion... I kind of doubt MoosyDoosy is going for such a high-risk play. Out of curiosity, when did I become your top scumread? You haven't really even mentioned me before that, but you said "for a long time". The case is kind of a cherry-picked gathering of pretty null-leaning things as well. Not sure how talking about several topics in your opening is really scummy. Many people have done that. Pretty much your open. Besides what I already described there was some tonal things, and you kinda jumped on things as I would have expected scum to do. What separates Moosy's play from gobble's, or Sylencia who you voted for cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear | ||
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On October 14 2015 03:50 deconduo wrote: So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest: + Show Spoiler [Rels] + On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote: OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler + Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: Oh, hai! I'm town I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it. On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote: are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote: Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: Good afternoon. Koshi, sson You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote: I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote: What a dead thread! Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote: This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote: I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote: So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. More good work here. On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote: Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far. + Show Spoiler [koshi] + Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this: + Show Spoiler [Superbia] + On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote: I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote: dun dun dunnnn. Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them) I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now. + Show Spoiler [Sylencia] + On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote: The more haikus made The more I want to kill you JK, good gimmick Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote: Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean. + Show Spoiler [Xatalos] + On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote: I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason. This does drive me a little bit nuts as well. On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote: I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started. What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town. I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote: Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something. Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] + On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote: With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT. Fuck this. Onegu out. Taking some pain meds and relaxing. Back later to figure this game out. Another VT claim. Not much here, Null. + Show Spoiler [Alakaslam] + Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null + + Show Spoiler [gobbledydook] + The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all: On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote: It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm. + Show Spoiler [GlowingBear] + On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, no. Just thought about something. Koshi is back to null. Don't ask me what it is. I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain. On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote: I thought I saw 3 votes on him? I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious. I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed. It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null. + Show Spoiler [MoosyDoosy] + Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting. On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. Quality post  . Leaning scum.+ Show Spoiler [Tictock] + I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well: On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote: When do I ever actually tryhard D1? On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote: What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least. + Show Spoiler [copcake] + On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote: Why do you need to write this? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote: Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it. ##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake Oh btw, I think this guy is town. Seems like a legit reads post after catching up for an hour. Kinda wanna see more, but the day is still young. | ||
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On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote: Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ? It's possible. I'm not sure it's that easy though. I know I'd be pretty leery of making an obvious connection like that, however I'd be quite willing to associate myself with someone not on my team... Is now a good time to mention I have some weird tin foil ideas about this game? | ||
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On October 14 2015 05:30 deconduo wrote: That's a good point actually. Because its teams of 2, scumteams will probably have to hard defend each other from lynches. Bussing is not a viable strat this game because both sides have KP. Yea bussing is pretty unlikely in this setup, but not impossible. While the janitor part is nice to keep around, this role is interesting. Fanatic Groupie: Once per game during the night phase, you may pm the host to Janitor: PlayerName. If the targeted player would die during that phase, they will flip neither alignment nor role; you will be sent that player's alignment and role. If Crossfire is alive when you die, you will remain in the game; you may not use your janitor power, you will not join Obs QT, you may not post in the Game Thread, and you may not post in Third Party QT. While you are dead and Crossfire is alive, during the day phase you MUST still vote in the Voting Thread; voting rules apply as normal. Whenever Crossfire dies, you will be removed from the game (whether or not you are currently alive). I mean, if I was crossfire I might consider bussing my groupie to get towncred, while keeping a vote on my side. | ||
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On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good. Can you elaborate on what you are talking about with Rels and GB? I'm not seeing it. | ||
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I'd like to see more out of anyone with less than a page of filter. In particular Moosy, gobble, and Onegu need to bring something to the table. Cop and Superbia are playing, but not at all posting. Just more plz. Decoundo and Sylencia are somehow the standouts of this group. | ||
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On October 14 2015 08:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: This is around my 4th game with Tictock. This is your 2nd. -pokes- Actually nope. Pretty sure I've played a similar number of games with you both. I think I might have actually played with Rels more, but it's around 3-4 games that I've played with either of you. | ||
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On October 14 2015 08:48 Koshi wrote: 3p has no TMI. 3p is solo. 3p is way more carefree. Hunting 3p is stupid. There is nothing that 3p does different than town except 3p wants to survive a bit more. Sylencia just claimed some guy focused on mafia so he must be 3p. I also focus on mafia because searching for 3p is stupid. Doesn't make any sense. He is a townie with a vig shot. The end. Pretty sure both factions have the same amount of info, so I don't get this post. Mafia knows who is Mafia and who is not. 3p knows who is 3p and who is not. On October 14 2015 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: Why are we differentiating mafia from 3p when they basically are just two different mafia factions? This is accurate. | ||
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On October 14 2015 08:55 Koshi wrote: Too much information. Pff yeah. I guess mafia teams are the same. nvm nvm nvm nvm Ok shoulda just kept reading. | ||
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On October 14 2015 09:09 Koshi wrote: Yes it is a bad role because it is rolling the dice every night. if it is 3 vs 1 in the night he can actually end the game by using his power, he would be retarded to use it. 2 vs 1 in the night he gives town a 50/50 chance to play the "who is the real cpr on lylo". Currently he is just a vigi with the offchance he saves an dubious figure. Seriously, if cpr actually heals a confirmed townie during the night he is fucking 100% retarded. No excuses. Humm, This is actually interesting. To consider the CPR role like a town Vigi. I think that's the correct approach early in the game, the chances of CPR hitting a KP target and saving them out of a large pool of players is really low, even with 2 KP floating around. So using their power like a Vigi is legit. However, Koshi, I don't get why you don't value the potential ability for CPR to offer a save as well as town KP. | ||
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On October 14 2015 09:50 Sylencia wrote: Town = Maf/3p are out to get you Maf = 3p are out to get you 3p = Maf are out to get you If you are town there is no reason to ignore the presence of the 3p team. Pretty sure Town is out to get Mafis and 3p as well... their lives aren't that kushy. This is also semi-responding to Koshi's rants... though I'm not sure he's wrong. Like literally both non-town Factions need to play the survival game while getting rid of their competition, however both of the non-town factions have one key role. For 3p it's Crossfire, they cannot afford to let him get lynched or KP as Crossfire getting eliminated means insta loss for 3p team, they groupie is far more expendable and is potentially bussable as I pointed out earlier. For Mafia it's a bit more complex, but they legit cannot afford to buss. It's sorta interesting how mafia roles are pretty co-dependant this game. Physician is pretty weak without the Don, and Don obviously wants the Physician to stay alive so he is immune to KP. I'd say physician is the key role here, the vulnerability makes it a key role to protect. So while I agree with Koshi that there is an awful lot of KP floating around and that will make things fairly random I think there is a lot more subtle interaction going on that makes this setup interesting. Especially when you remember that town has a normal Medic, the CPR, and a Cop, so town has a fair bit going for them as well. I kinda feel like this is the sorta game that could swing really easily day to day. | ||
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On October 14 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: Superbia's weird meta meta. GB should know this better than anyone else tbh don't know why he's so town for you. - very antagonistic - says he doesn't have time but immediately tries to lynch someone (me) ^^ Those two are super different from where he was townie in the game where I was Mafia. There he asked questions and developed his reads when he didn't have too much time. Here he's being super antagonistic and trying to force a lynch. Ughhh there are other points but I can’t remember. Ok this is not the first time I've seen you try to make this point. Why do you expect GB to think the same about Super's meta that you do? Why do you even feel like you know Sup's meta? You played one game with him and you were mafia... You even called out Rels for using bad meta reads, so seeing you turn around and do it yourself comes off real scummy. | ||
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On October 14 2015 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: ALSO (last also i prmise) it’s a dick move for him to keep on saying “Brb.” since so many people pointed it out. This isn’t a case where he’s planned it from the start but is something that he picked up because he’s trying to cover up for it. He also never did this in our game or felt the need to cover up for weird shit he was doing so it’s super strange he’s trying to cover up his strange stuff now. I'm having the complete opposite reaction to that now. Pretty sure DMA on that supports him being town too. | ||
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On October 14 2015 10:41 CopCake wrote: I love how GB is not fighting me. YOU ARE NOT TOWN BABE I think we'd all like to know why you scumread GB so strongly. Also why do/did you think there was an association between him and Rels? | ||
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Wow... The creep factory in this thread just skyrocketed... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 14 2015 17:14 Rels wrote: Oh. Hi! Oooo ? Mmmm ... You know what ? You might be right on that. His early posts were bad, but his recent thoughts were pretty good. But there is one problem; I don't feel like admitting TT might be town and removing my vote from him )= it would look like I'm sheeping you, when I'm known for making my own conclusions right ?? What to do .... )= HEY I KNOW! I JUST HAVE TO TIME TRAVEL, BE LIKE "OK MAYBE TT IS TOWN", AND UNVOTE HIM BEFORE YOU CAN CALL ME OUT ON THAT! Brillant. I'm a fucking genius. Onto the delorean! You know, the one I've found in 2 seconds in google image! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/S8LNmZ8.jpg) TADA TADADA TA TADA OK making these posts now in the past. Done! And ... back to the present. I feel good about that (= Moosy, what do you think of it now ? ... ... ... wait. Something doesn't add up. I've changed my posts in the past, so Moosy should have seen them when he caught up. After all, we are in a single universe continuum ... MAYBE HE DIDNT READ THEM BUT HE SEEMED TO BE CATCHING UP AT THE TIME, AND HE QUOTED POSTS FROM BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER MY UNVOTE Then I know! Maybe he saw I unvoted, but is pushing me for my "bad" case on TT! ... no, he's clearly saying to me to change my vote! MOOSY WHY ARE YOU SO ILLOCAL WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS MISSING IMPORTANT THINGS I DONT EVEN KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT BASED ON THAT, BECAUSE YOU RE DOING IT ALL THE TIME "oh im moosy im just going to be illogical all the time whatever my alignement is" MAYBE THATS WHY YOU RE A LYNCH CANDIDATE IN 100% OF YOUR GAMES | ||
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On October 14 2015 17:41 Rels wrote: OK finished I don't want to lynch Moosy today. The guy is uncatchable on illogical stuff, so I have no idea if he's not-town. copCake does not make sense. She called me scum, and she called GB scum because of our interactions; but now I'm town and he's still scum. Down for her lynch. I'm also down for lynching useless people: Onegu and gobble. Finally I'm having doubts about Xatalos. TT I think you're around ? I want your opinion on something he did Shoot, I'm also caught up. | ||
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This game uses Deadline majority lynch. The player with half the living players votes +1 rounded down (or more) at the deadline is lynched. If the majority has not been reached by the deadline, a no-lynch occurs. We need to get consolidated before EoD. | ||
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So I agree her being lurky and not explaining her reads well is troublesome. However her thoughts do show some evolution, and she's not jumping on easy targets. My weak townread based on her open has gone to null, but I'm not really seeing much scum motivation in her pushing on GB while ignoring the plethora of lurky players this game. Also he asking GB to fight her has a town feel. It's possible I'm being too leniant though, I know there is a bit of a language issue there and that's making me overlook the weak explanations a little. | ||
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On October 14 2015 18:26 Rels wrote: I found his timing for bringing up "CopCake is not making sense!" weird. Talking about this post: So he realized two hours later that this post was weird. His explanation for bringing it up so late: The thing is I just pointed exactly the same thing a few posts ago: And deconduo voted her not that long ago: So this "BTW CopCake is not making sense here" hit me as a little opportunistic. He jumped on someone who was starting to be pushed; and noticed the thing I talked about a few posts ago, but not citing me. Thoughts ? Maybe... idk it's hard to say based on just that one post by Xata. I do feel like Xata has mostly been jumping on "easy" targets or followed thread sentiment a lot. He started off pushing Koshi based off his opening posts. It's actually pretty weird to me that Xata found town modivations for Moosy's reactions to being pushed so early, but didn't consider that scum!Koshi has like no reason to put so much attention on himself like he did pg 1. I showed how his vote on Sylencia is weird, basically voting him for stuff that multiple players were doing, including Moosy who he was townreading. I think his vote is still on me, which was pretty much purely a sheep of your case. So yea, Xata's scum reads have all reflected thread sentiment or been focused on low hanging fruit. Since I'm talking about him I also didn't like how he responded to my case. He basically agreed with me about Moosy but then tried to discredit my read by saying I just made it up. On October 14 2015 05:36 Xatalos wrote: Hm... "So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here." Dunno why, but this sentence felt fake to me. This is all new information to the thread at least, but apparently he's been thinking these "for quite some time". How am I so suddenly strongly scum when there was no indication of that beforehand? This post just reads really scummy to me, kus it's not really addressing anything I brought up by rather attacking my credibility. On October 14 2015 05:58 Xatalos wrote: I don't even remember anything about gobble lol. MoosyDoosy isn't semi-useless, he's useless. (which might look worse than semi-useless at first but I mean... scum purposefully gathering negative attention? not as likely IMO) Rels: because I just noticed the weird part This one too. So he's ignoring some people who aren't contributing while voting others? And yet still pushing this notion that scum probably wont play in a lurky fashion because they will get called out on it? I really don't see any town motivation behind Xat's posts this game. | ||
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On October 14 2015 18:45 Rels wrote: The big thing here is she doesn't have a reason to scumread GB. Who would you lynch ? Yea I don't understand why she keeps avoiding explaining that. Xat is still my top scum read, Gobble is probably a solid lynch as well. I'm probably ok with a Moosy lynch as well, I sorta agree with you that he would probably play this way as town, but him calling your meta read on me shit and then turning around and making literally the same type of meta read on Super is totally shit. I should probably do a list post or something just to make sure I'm not missing anyone. | ||
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Yea I'll make a reads post here sometime in the nest couple hours before I have to head in. Now feels like a good time to take a break though. | ||
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Why haven't you done some of your typical Rel's things Rels? No opening post analysis, no useful lists of useless people You've changed so much since rolling scum... | ||
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On October 14 2015 19:13 Rels wrote: Your Xatalos' stuff is good. So this feeling I had about him jumping a little too easily on CopCake is actually something he did all game. Any reason you include gobble in your useless list and not Onegu ? I put Onegu in there On October 14 2015 06:35 Tictock wrote: Geez we have too many lurky players. I'd like to see more out of anyone with less than a page of filter. In particular Moosy, gobble, and Onegu need to bring something to the table. Cop and Superbia are playing, but not at all posting. Just more plz. Decoundo and Sylencia are somehow the standouts of this group. Right now the big difference is that Gobble jumped on Cop after she garnered some votes, but not earlier when he first had issues with her lack of explaining reads. The haiku gimmik is also meh, and makes his few posts have little content. He has gotten called out for it, so I suppose that might fall under the same DMA that I used on Sup but idk. Onegu plays this way as town. It sucks, but he gets more interested when he's scum. Though at the same time he is usually more trolly as town to at least get some reactions. Idk meta has me leaning town on him, but that's basically saying he's null kus I don't really know how to read him. He def needs to do stuff before EoD though, I was aware that he was in the Student game as well as this game, but since I just found out that ended he doesn't have an excuse to at least try this game. | ||
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On October 14 2015 19:55 Sylencia wrote: Also what's DMA Dick Move Analysis I might be a little off on this, but basically it's the idea that scum aren't very willing to piss people off and so people acting like total dicks or not caring what people think of them is probably a sign that they are town. | ||
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On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote: Yeah this was a majority lynch... Then we'll definitely want to ensure a lynch and consolidate on 1-2 players towards the end. A bit conflicted on TicTock overall. His recent posts have seemed more decent and pretty focused on scumhunting and such... So he might not really be the best lynch today. I think I can sort of understand why he's pushing me... It just feels tunneled when he's focused on it so much, and the evidence isn't really that good... But oh well. I wouldn't probably be the priority mislynch target for scum anyway since I'm not easy to lynch. Tentatively could be town? MoosyDoosy's read post was pretty terrible. Not even the reads themselves so much, but the fact that like half of the players were included for lynching for whatever reasons. Town usually tend to focus on like 1-3 players they'd rather lynch, whereas he focused on as many players as possible. It just gave the feeling that he'd be fine with getting any of those players lynched given the opportunity. Well, the reads too... I also flinched when I saw the part "CopCake has had good thoughts" when she hasn't really said anything sensible yet. I think it's very unlikely that the anti-town factions would push members of their own faction in this setup D1, especially when the setup is so "swingy" and the lynch is everything but decided yet. It's not totally impossible, but I doubt they would want to immediately crash their chances of victory for a little town cred. I think these anti-town factions are quite unlikely: Sylencia/CopCake MoosyDoosy/Superbia Onegu/MoosyDoosy gobbledydook/CopCake deconduo/CopCake Not sure how much this information can be used before any actual flips, but.... It should be at least kept in mind. At least I'm like 95% certain that Sylencia/CopCake aren't in the same faction. Otherwise I see absolutely no sense for Sylencia to suddenly go so hard against CopCake. It's very plausible that they could be on opposing factions, though. It could make sense especially since Sylencia focuses on CopCake being "3rd party"... Although in fact it does make slight sense for CopCake to be 3rd party like Sylencia said? Considering that she uses only the word "mafia" and never mentions anything about 3rd parties. Not really a strong point... But scum!Sylencia would probably notice that more easily than town!Sylencia, I guess. Overall, I don't think any of CopCake/MoosyDoosy/Sylencia are really bad bets. Sylencia probably least of them... I just don't really like his overall lackluster posting (popping irregularly to make some post that makes absolutely no impact on the game) and now this hard push on CopCake for "looking like 3rd party" (TMI...?). Not completely sure which one has the highest chances of flipping anti-town... But maybe CopCake looks the worst right now, slightly, especially with posts like these... There's 0% logic there. The reads themselves are ridiculous, but the worst part is not pushing Rels if just "thinking Rels is town" is the reason to scumread someone (with that reasoning most players in the game would be scum btw). It's just hard to grasp she could be genuinely making these reads at all. ##Vote CopCake Humm this isn't a bad post... | ||
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Probably Town Rels - I should point out that Rels is a very strong scum player so people shouldn't give him an easy pass just because he's active. Still I have a hard time seeing him rolling scum 3 games in a row, and I'm not having any sneaking suspicions of him like I did in SoW2. GlowingBear - I've agreed with most of his posts, he's not all over the place and causing confusion like I've seen him do as scum. Even the post where he suggested blues claim if they need to didn't feel like role hunting to me. Town Lean Koshi - Poked his head out way early, pretty active though most of it is complaining about the balance deconduo - Joined the game late, made a decent reads post and was pretty much the first person to seriously push Cake. Probably would be a straight town read besides the fact he's been fairly inactive. Sylencia - I'm actually not sure why I'm leaning town on Syl over straight null, something about his tone feels townie Null Onegu CopCake Superbia - I agree with GB, a couple of his posts felt towny. Continueing to throw out the "brb" thing after getting called out on it seems townie to me as well. Alakaslam - Really not sure how to read Slam, he's low null right now because I don't have time to filter dive him and I don't recall anything he's done this game Scum/Scum Lean gobbledydook MoosyDoosy Xatalos I didn't leave a note next to the people I've been discussing recently anyways. | ||
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On October 14 2015 22:21 Xatalos wrote: If you liked my last post, why am I still top scum while CopCake/Sylencia (two of the main suspects) are town/null? Or was this just some post you prepared before and only posted now? Why not correct it before posting then? I only said it wasn't a bad post and I read it right I as preparing the reads post, so didn't have time to properly look it over. Actually I'd like to know a couple things about that post, I've been thinking it over a little at work (on a 10 atm). You said your still uncertain about me, why? What are you seeing thats scummy? What value do you think your list of non associated people has? | ||
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On October 14 2015 23:02 Superbia wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/op6pSeR.jpg) Gratz | ||
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On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: The thing that all of you seem to have difficulty understanding - is that there are 3 factions here. So using standard lists like narrowing it down to a few scum is useless. What you have to do - is find other people not in your faction and lynch them. There's no point in lists saying these people are Mafia because there is 3rd party here. Night will be interesting but it unfortunately looks like I won't be around for it. The thing is that I'm plenty sure that Superbia isn't town. And everyone that I've listed otherwise is probably 3rd party or Mafia. That's how I've been formulating my reads. I listed a bunch of people I didn't like because this isn't a 3 man team we have to kill, it's two different teams. On that note, the reason why I've been buddying with a bunch of different people is because they're useful even if they're not town with me. Even if we convince 3p to kill Mafia or Mafia to kill 3p it's still a gain for town. This is the correct mindset to have. Which is why it's infinitely worse for those people who are trying to treat this like your classic game and try to act as townie as possible with standard lists (Superbia). Rels and Sup already pointed out for me why this post is bad. I don't think there is anyone who is confused about how this game is setup with 2- two man teams and a 9 persontown. I dont understand why you only point out Sups list though, plenty of people have made lists this game. | ||
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On October 15 2015 01:25 Xatalos wrote: Btw I'm not sure how strict the rules for non-voting are, but CopCake's vote didn't count because it was only something like "#name". Or was it even a vote? Anyways, people should probably vote correctly before the deadline hits... Tictock: I'm not really sure about you yet. Maybe a part of it could be the contradictory feelings about your push on me. On the other hand, it's hard to feel it being town-motivated when I'm town, but when you think about it, it's not like I'm a very good target to push for anti-town. The reasons also aren't absolute trash like some players (CopCake, MoosyDoosy etc.) have presented. Still I feel there's definitely a bias to present null-leaning things more negatively than they should be, but it's hard to say if that's town or anti-town tunneling for the time being. The list's value isn't great right now, but I just wrote it down for later. At LYLO it could prove to be crucial, for example (as a piece to the puzzle of figuring out the factions). Ok well, I was worried you were trying to draw more conclusions than you should from that list. While you may be correct that those particular pairings aren't likely it means little since a pair could still be both anti-town just noton the same team. What am I pushing you for that you feel is null. The opening post thing is the only thing i can think that would fall under that. | ||
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If this comes down to a lynch between Moosy and Cake I think I have to go with moosy. His read on Sup is shit, and whats worse it's exactly the same sorta meta read that he called Rels out for using. He's basing his entire read based one one past game. Be back when I can. | ||
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On October 15 2015 03:35 deconduo wrote: @Moosy, what do you mean exactly by the below? Cos it reads a bit like you want to be the same alignment as cake, but you know you're not. GB, Moosy, and Cake were all a scumteam in a recent newbie game. Moosy bussed the hell out of Cake The whole game and managed to keep the towncred through lylo. Pretty sure it doesn't really mean anything regarding this game. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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On October 15 2015 03:57 Koshi wrote: I take no responsibility in this CC lynch. I feel this way too. I don't have any real reason to town read her, and it's not easy to read some of her posts. But I have a strong gut feeling Cake flips town here. | ||
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On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote: Ok, here he suspected GB. I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE  where the fuck does he has that info?HUH HUH HUH HUH? And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me" This is super weak Cake. Your assuming he asked because he knows something about your past. What if he just wanted to see what Xata's opinion was? | ||
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On October 15 2015 04:57 deconduo wrote: Moosy is 100% the groupie. Lol This was my thinking a long time ago. Bit less sure now though. He prob flips anti-town though. | ||
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On October 15 2015 05:45 Rels wrote: The only way this makes GB scum is if he's scum with Xatalos right ? Or do I miss something. Cause that seems super dumb to me, in addition to not making sense with her "GB + Rels" theory Yea this is true... I'll ponder this in my last hour of work. Cake if you are town you really need to explain what made you think GB and Rels were a team. | ||
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On October 15 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote: I don't really like the comments from Koshi/Tictock about "not taking responsibility". Why would you say that as town? To preserve your ego or something? Usually scum are more concerned about their credibility and launch those kinds of credibility-preserving lines when things are heated. Its not like I haven't given reasons for why I don't really see her flipping anti-town or anything... | ||
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On October 15 2015 05:49 MoosyDoosy wrote: I think it's pretty great that I'm skating by with my terrible play and not getting lynched tbh. If you guys want to do work, I'm still up for shenanigans onto Superbia/gobble/decon. gobble would be kind of a policy lynch though. I'm pretty open to shenannieson gobble. | ||
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On October 15 2015 07:08 Superbia wrote: Where is copcake? Who is around right now? I'm here but distracted. | ||
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Yea yea, decundo was right. Stupid idea in a majority lynch game. | ||
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I just have bad feels about the cop lynch. I don't really have a town read on her but have a hard time seeing her playing as anti town here. Moosy is the better lynch imo. A few of his posts make me wonder. Gooble's vote on cop looked oppritunistic to me as well. | ||
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I just want to lynch one of my scumreads, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. I'm debating if I should move to cake just to make sure we dont no lynch. | ||
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On October 15 2015 07:44 Xatalos wrote: For example, right now CopCake could easily get no-lynched if just one switches away. I'd appreciate people ensuring the lynch before the deadline. Thanks. If you prefer MoosyDoosy, state quickly why? I've explained my reasons a few times. Moosy's only read push has been on Sup and his read was based on shit he berated Rels for being. Cops reads are wierd but thy haev evolved, shes challenged people. | ||
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On October 15 2015 07:51 Xatalos wrote: Well yeah MoosyDoosy's reads are terrible, but so are CopCake's.... And I'd expect CopCake to be the better one out of them, all things equal. Granted I've only seen scum!CopCake before and she was better than this even there. If you mean her last scum game here then yes, thats kinda my line of thinking as well. | ||
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On October 15 2015 07:53 CopCake wrote: No I want to die so you can see how fucking terrible you are. Then next game when I am town you will all respect me. This is a terrible frame of mind. I know it sucks but you still gotta play to some win condition. I might be saying this because I really regret the last time I threw up my hands and went "fuck it" | ||
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On October 15 2015 08:05 Xatalos wrote: At least CopCake was VT and it would have been impossible at LYLO with her anyway, at this rate. Scum, plz. Bad lynch was bad. | ||
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On October 15 2015 08:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: I will get CPR’d and the VT count goes down 1 more! Mafia and 3p have fun in their group chats. mmm… Superbia, what did you expect my town play to be like? As logical as my scum play? I am the sson of Chupazi. I thrive off of chaos. The problem is Moosy, I have seen you do nothing like thrive. You are super lurky, have shit teir reads, and dont seem to care to even try and interact. None of this is excused by your promise to not spam btw. | ||
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On October 15 2015 09:40 gobbledydook wrote: You look like someone who is too afraid to die Not quite the VT? This doesn't seem like an objective view of moosy's play. Least it's more or less the opposite of my opinion. I'd be interested to see what posts lead you to say this. | ||
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This shit gets messy quick though.... Good luck blues. | ||
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Humm, I don't like that you are bothering to read current stuff when you said you were catching up. | ||
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On October 15 2015 23:37 Koshi wrote: The above post is asking you politely why you want to lynch Koshi except for the fact he wants to lynch Moosy-the fucking groupie-Doosy which nobody in this thread believes. Actually... My first gut instinct this game was that you might be Crossfire, and Moosy the groupie. Still a possibility tbh, some of the pieces do fit. However, I mostly let the idea fall into tin-foil status for a variety of reasons. | ||
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On October 16 2015 01:18 Koshi wrote: I always disliked it as well. But it is something townies do. Not saying Onegu is town. He very well might be mafia. Yea I'm not sure it says much about his alignment, but it's a bit weird to try and do both. Usually I see people either give up reading what they missed, or spend their time catching up responding to old stuff before getting to current conversation. Trying to do both makes me think he'll end up doing neither very well. | ||
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On October 16 2015 01:35 Koshi wrote: yes. Perfect tactic by me to kill the one person who gives me an edge over mafia team. Yep it's fairly insane to even think of Crossfire trying that... Yet, insanity and brilliance sometimes intermingle more than we care to admit. After all, that would be a solid defense as to why you couldn't possibly be Crossfire if Moosy did flip groupie. #TinFoilThoughts + Show Spoiler + None of this matters till one of you flips, pretty much why I didn't bring it up till now. Though I do get town feels from Decoundo for reaching the same tin-foil as I did here. | ||
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The more important post I was working on is almost done and I'll get that up here in an hour or so. Taking a break for now. | ||
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On October 16 2015 02:46 Onegu wrote: The thing I really don't like that you did tictock is halfway through the day you made a big post about setup, and it was this big post about nothing relevant. I don't recall what post your talking about. So your probably right, "nothing relevant" | ||
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Ok so most of the game besides Cake, Onegu, Slam, and myself were on Cake. CopCake (9): deconduo, gobbledydook, Sylencia, Rels, GlowingBear, Xatalos, MoosyDoosy, Koshi, Superbia Super's vote and EoD was pretty towny, so I'm not checkin him. Koshi's vote is on that lv as well for different reasons (mostly just wanting to avoid no-lynch), otherwise he was on Moosy till last min. I wanted to look at the reasons everyone else voted Cake, just in case I could spot any inconsistencies. deconduo: He pretty much started the wagon (first to vote, not exactly the first to read Cake as scum) on Cake so thats a bit of a town point in his favor. He also was pretty clear how he got that read from his first real post in the game. + Show Spoiler [copcake] + On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote: Why do you need to write this? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote: Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it. ##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake[/b He also posed questions and showed disappointment when Cake didn't respond. Conclusion - Checks out gobbledydook: Only made a couple of posts related to Cake before voting. On October 13 2015 14:13 gobbledydook wrote: CopCake makes no sense he really should give reasons why I'm anti town. On October 14 2015 08:15 gobbledydook wrote: Aus timezone sucks balls Copcake full of awful reads Guys let's kill him now ##vote: CopCake Really there's nothing here to even try and get a glimpse at this guy's thought process. I mentioned this before, but it looks like he was suspicious of Cake and jumped on her wagon as soon as it looked like it had decent support. Hard as hell to say for sure though with like 0 thought process to look at. Conclusion - WTF!?! Sylencia: Talks about Cake a decent bit, pretty clearly focused on her for most of D1. Here is your pack of quotes for him. + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote: The more haikus made The more I want to kill you JK, good gimmick Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote: On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote: Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads? Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. On October 14 2015 08:41 Sylencia wrote: ##Vote CopCake Posts post-return sound like they come from a 3rd party who's only worried about mafia team. Unlike a lot of other people who used the word "mafia" during this game, it doesn't have the same implication that it means mafia/3p. Not convinced at all by the reasoning too. On October 14 2015 20:05 Sylencia wrote: Anyways, given the swingy nature of the game I'm going to approach it 1-2 people at a time. If CopCake doesn't go down for whatever reason, Onegu is next because no matter what role he is, he is a detriment to town. Given the initial disadvantage we have, losing a vote and a voice over a more active townie would be terrible. The "shes using the word mafia in a way that implies she's 3p" idea seems pretty sketch to me, there is a bit of a read progression showing here though. The part that jumps out to me as weird in these posts is how Syl calls Onegu "a detriment to town" regardless of alignment, yet writes off gobble as being cool for having a "good gimmick." I'll give gobble credit for actually post some thoughts, but it's hard to argue that his play is significantly different than Onegu's. Conclusion - Probably ok but mildly suspect Rels: I don't expect to find any inconsistencies here. Rels is a smart player as any alingment and while he can of course be wrong or get focused on the wrong things it's very unlikely that he will have any odd read changes as either alienment. Anyways, Rels starts looking at Cake due to her early town reads. (Idk why but I but this post kept messing up when I quoted it here, it's in Rel's case anyways which I put in the next spoiler) He was also the only person to post a case on Cake, but I'm not able to give town cred to Rels based on that. He's made solid cases as scum before. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote: The Copcake is not town compilation case 1. Her initial townreads have no basis Her initial townreads were: On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote: GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. The filters of these 3 people at the time were: GB's posts at the time: [spoiler] On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote: Wow what a boring start [/spoiler] Slam's posts at the time: [spoiler] On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: Good afternoon. Koshi, sson You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote: I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote: What a dead thread! Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote: This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? [/spoiler] TT's posts at the time: [spoiler] On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote: I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote: So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. [/spoiler] I and others have asked her to explain these weird reads and her explanation is: On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good. So "tone reads" AKA no explanation. 2. Her read on GB and I are inconsistent Copcake says GB and I are mafia together: On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote: Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions. NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread. On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good. Please look very carefully for her reason to scumread GB. Rels suspects GB => but Rels answers GB's questions => Rels and GB are mafia together Now. When asked about her reasons for scumreading GB, she said: On October 14 2015 10:48 CopCake wrote: I already did, your interaction with rels is weird and "a waste of time" lol, really come and fight me, you are asking questions and in addition like you know HOW I AM AS MAFIA yet you MAFIA READ ME because I have TOWN READS. DUDE DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER THAT I DIDNT HAVE TOWN READS LAST GAME and I was like pretending I was pissed (actually I was for mossy) but yeah oh no, you are not even considering my filters too sad, no? So GB's "interactions with Rels" is what makes GB scummy. Makes sense with the above. A little weird she's not voting me instead of GB, but whatever. Then she says: On October 14 2015 10:52 CopCake wrote: what unflipped association? I don't get it pls elaborate. WTF. She just said GB was scummy because of his "interactions with Rels". But wait. There is more: On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote: you think rels is town tho. that makes you mafia. She thinks I'm town now ???? There is no explanation for that switch. Her original basis for scumreading GB was that both GB and I were scum together. And now she's saying GB is scummy for his interactions with me, which is still her original reason; but she also thinks I'm town. It doesn't make any kind of sense. There is NO reason for her to scumread GB. 3. She doesn't post much and doesn't answer questions This point doesn't mean shit by itself, by in combinaison to the above, it indicated Copcake is not-town. Conclusion 1. Townreads with no basis to start the game. 2. No reason for her main scumread. 3. Not very active. Lynch her. For me it's better to look at why Rels focuses on one person over another. For example he was initially suspect of GB, which didn't last too long, then pushed me fairly hard early on. Cake was his main target for the rest of the day after he stopped scum reading me. So these were his 3 main pushes, while he also subtly agreed on Moosy and Xat possibly being scum. To me the arguments Rels has with Cake near EoD are pretty clearly showing there is miscommunication going on. There's an awful lot of "he said, she said" sorta stuff going on that looks like it is clearly going nowhere. Like at this point Rels looks semi-tunneled on Cake which I've seen him do as either alignment. Gah, idk. I see similarities between this push on Cake and pushes Rels has made as both alignments before. He and Rayn pushed and mislynched me as town in one of the newbie games because they didn't understand my thinking/logic. He also did a solid case/push on Dandel in Season of the Witch as scum, managing to pull people away from his afk scummate. Conclusion - Inconclusive GlowingBear: GB's read on Cake seems to evolve out pretty naturally. He starts off questioning her early townreads and tries to engage her to explain them. At one point GB looks like he goes fairly hard at Moosy but keeps Cake in his sights. Eventually he switches to Cake and implores everyone to do the same. On October 14 2015 22:15 GlowingBear wrote: Everyone NOT scum reading cop cake, please explain so. She scum reads Rels for no good reason, proceeds to scum read me with the basis on an unflipped association with Rels, then forgets Rels and push me instead of, you know, going against her main scum read (which, under her logic, his flip would confirm my alignment, and not the opposite). I see no townie following this logic On October 14 2015 21:28 GlowingBear wrote: Moosy can easily be with cake The only thing that feels a little off is this post On October 15 2015 05:20 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, I won't be here at deadline, I'll be having classes. If you guys move your votes off of CopCake I will heartlessly torture baby walruses Both his scumreads are potential lynches so I'm not sure why he would mind if people switched back over to Moosy. There is possible OMGUS involved though since Cake was pushing GB as scum, kinda feel like that would come from either alignment though. Feels a little weak, but there's some room for tin foil here. Conclusion - Checks out. Xatalos: Probably the more interesting case imo. I say that because Xat makes a lot of posts that state this On October 13 2015 19:37 Xatalos wrote: Hm... Not very sure about those people you mentioned. CopCake is Little Lamb from VS, I think? She was extremely convincing as Mafia last time around. Here is all of them that I found. + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 19:37 Xatalos wrote: Hm... Not very sure about those people you mentioned. CopCake is Little Lamb from VS, I think? She was extremely convincing as Mafia last time around. On October 14 2015 22:19 Xatalos wrote: I've only seen scum CopCake before and she seemed more townie than now that time >.> On October 15 2015 07:51 Xatalos wrote: On October 15 2015 07:49 Tictock wrote: I've explained my reasons a few times. Moosy's only read push has been on Sup and his read was based on shit he berated Rels for being. Cops reads are wierd but thy haev evolved, shes challenged people. Well yeah MoosyDoosy's reads are terrible, but so are CopCake's.... And I'd expect CopCake to be the better one out of them, all things equal. Granted I've only seen scum!CopCake before and she was better than this even there. He ends up voting Cake in this long post. His main reason is that her reads don't make sense. So my issue here is that his read seems to be in conflict with itself, "Cake plays a convincing scum game" while this game "Her reads make no sense, must be scum." Whats even more disturbing to me is that Xat makes this argument multiple times while defending Moosy Well yeah, at this point MoosyDoosy's inactivity is starting to get irritating. I still get the feeling that anti-town wouldn't blatantly make themselves suspicious like that... Or generally just act without care for their own survival. In my experience people like that are usually town who get easily mislynched by scum. *Rarely* there are cases where scum take that as their strategy and WIFOM themselves out of suspicion... I kind of doubt MoosyDoosy is going for such a high-risk play. So somehow Xat is convinced that Cake is scum for not making sense, yet he's had experience with her scum game and claims it's "pretty convincing" and at the same time he is defending Moosy because he doesn't think scum would be willing to play in a way to draw attention to themselves. None of this adds up. I've been saying it all game, Xat is scum. Conclusion - Lynch with Fire MoosyDoosy: Moosy's first response to Cake is calling out her post on Superbia good, and while he later includes her in his list of ppl he is suspect of he still says she has good thoughts and is last on his list. He actually seems fairly unsure, questions Cake's townread on him, tries to get her to focus on Sup with him, multiple occasions where he tries to engage Cake in conversation. Eventually he votes her here, which can be argued as being partially a survival vote, but it looks somewhat reluctant to me. Overall there is some evolution here, and tried a few times EoD to push the lynch elsewhere rather than pile on. Conclusion - Checks out | ||
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On October 16 2015 04:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: Tictock bb, you forgot the part where I actually wasn't reading her posts which is why I didn't actually have a read on her. How is anyone supposed to know that? It certainly looks like you were reading some of her posts... | ||
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On October 16 2015 05:15 Xatalos wrote: Not sure I really understand your latest accusation, and it's starting to get a bit annoying. I mean... I never said that CopCake made a ton of sense as scum. She just had that spontaneous/genuine feel about her with her posting style as scum, same as here. So that's pretty inconclusive. What made me lean over to scum on her was how her reads just didn't make any logical sense. I couldn't understand how she could push those as town, and they were even more peculiar compared to her last scumgame, so... In any case, I don't really regret it. She wasn't even a role, and she would have been an anti-town element later on. Frankly, you just seem to twist anything and everything about me in a negative light. Straight from my very first post. Either you're town in an extreme tunnel or just anti-town. Actually starting to lean a bit more towards anti-town since the tunnel has been so "pre-set" and static. In either case, it's getting harder for me to take you seriously. The return of the TunnelTock! | ||
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On October 16 2015 08:08 deconduo wrote: I was cpr doc on moosy BTW. No Jan means that it was probably 3p kp that got blocked and silencua was shot by maf. With all blues alive and only 3 greens its time for a massclaim btw. I'll accept this unless I see a counterclaim. Not very smart for scum to fake claim so it's more than likely legit. I don't understand why you decided to claim though, you are towns only KP, were under no danger, and there's still 4 scum left to find so mass claims don't even help town here at all. Overall I don't like this post very much, just so little thought put into it. | ||
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On October 16 2015 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: gobbledydook is the Fanatic groupie. Ok... apparently I should fully catchup before posting... idk what's going on anymore. | ||
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On October 16 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote: tic toc was also super obvs town and i said it so my town reads were good, except for slam that corrected laters. Yea I actually shoulda noted what you said about slam tbh, it really wasn't that hard to townread you and he was just idle all last half of the day. Slam was the only anti-town not on my radar tbh. Rels was reminding me way too much of SoW where he made a case on a townie who was also floating in lynchbait territory. Sorta hard to not see Rels reconsider that. I was fooling myself thinking that the low chance of him rolling scum 3 games in a row had anything to do with stuff. Onegu was starting to look a little more scummy after he started to play (not that it would have done him any favors not to do that). As for Gobble... On October 16 2015 10:31 gobbledydook wrote: wot ????? I'll call this a 3p victory because it took the game host to out me I checked you N1, you were gunna be found out. I was totally planning to push and possibly lynch Xat D2 though, Gobble woulda been my 2nd choice of D2 lynch. Sorry I got tunneled on you Xat, but I had decent reasons and your reactions were not helping. You can't really just say "Hey your tunneled, those things you find inconsistent don't matter" you gotta at least help me understand what I'm not seeing. I also found your way overly easy townread on Rels early on worrysome. Honestly my initial thought was that you and Rels were on a team, but when Rels backed off me he agreed with my stuff about you so that was clearly not the case. Overall, yea too many lurky, non-participating town this game makes it too easy for scum to hide out. | ||
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Sorry your shit got messed up Rayn. Good reminder that Hosts need to read their own OPs >.< I sorta feel like the end was overly messy and chaotic though. Rather than start posting and talking with players you should post and Endgame post asap if your gunna end it like that, you can always go back and edit it. I know things happened in an odd way, but I was so super confused about what was going on for quite a few pages there. Anyways overall I think this setup is kinda cool. I'm miffed that my first game as cop and I didn't get to do shit with it. | ||
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On October 16 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote: tic toc was also super obvs town and i said it so my town reads were good, except for slam that corrected laters. To be fair the only people who really pushed me (Rels, and then Onegu was starting to) were scum, Koshi and Xat just sorta jumped on that ride for a bit. I guess Xat never really got off though, lol. I think he was slightly confused by the reappearance of the TunnelTock and possible mildly blinded by OMGUS. | ||
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And from now on Rels, you stay null till you earn that townread. | ||
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And yes, more and more people are aware of your sweet sweet scum skills. Your town game might be rough now... Glad to see I was off the radar as a potential blue, though not sure the game was long enough for the scum teams to actually try that hard to find us. | ||
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On October 16 2015 14:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: Would never have guessed slam and onegu. :/ was right about decon and I did have a gut feeling about Rels earlier. goddamn I need to keep on following my gut on Rels from here on out. Uhh Decon was town Yo. Fact he was CPR. Think you and I were the only two wanting to lynch Gobble D1 over Cake, though I was also happy to lynch you. Wasn't till I looked at your read progression on Cake that I started to townread you. I kinda feel like you forced yourself to post less this game, but didn't try to change the quality of your posts to compensate. Might need to play with that a bit and find more of a middle ground, though tbh just play how you like. Find what works for you and just keep making adjustments till you figure out how to get better reads while not making everyone want to lynch you, lol. I prob wouldn't have been on you so much exept your read on Sup was exactly the same kinda Meta read that Rels tried to use on me. Don't try to meta .... or if you do, realize it's probably a shit read. That's what I did this game, sorta worked. | ||
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On October 16 2015 14:45 geript wrote: Did I? Sorry. I thought I was the one who came up with that. I think that was something we talked about and I didn't send you the updated OP posts because I got busy w/ work. Sorry 2 Things about this I didn't mention before. 1) Why can't rayn host his own game? I've never understood that. 2) This game took what, 2-3 weeks to start? I understand that maybe getting everything together was a bit rushed, but that's a ton of time to have had to double check. Like it's a stupid oversight anyone could have made, so I'm not trying to put blame on either of you. Actually idk if I have a point here... Uh...Live and learn. + Show Spoiler + Saved it | ||
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On October 16 2015 16:29 Rels wrote: rayn and geript, no prob, thanks for hosting. It is a fun setup, would play again (= rayn though, you have a "no host interaction policy", and I feel you mod-confirmed a few people as not crossfire, especially Koshi: Any reason the gobble flip wasn't made in the day post ? This is very true. Tbh everything that occurred between the "gobble is groupie" and the post where rayn declared the game over felt very much like a disorganized mess. I'm wondering what would be a good way to handle a situation like this in the future? Probably something like: Hosts should only respond by quoting the part of the OP that needed clarifying (in the event it had actually be in the OP) without any extra dialog. Avoids the issue of confirming players and would immediately show the host that the OP is incorrect. Then the decision to end the game can be made. Quoting an individual players post and responding to it as a host is probably one of the worst ways to respond to something. | ||
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On October 16 2015 16:33 Rels wrote: So ... now that it's proven false, care to tell me what it was ? p: Always lynching you D3 seems like a good strat ^.^ Greenchecks aren't good enough, your probably a natural GF too... | ||
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On October 16 2015 16:58 Rels wrote: (= Well played. Definitely towniest player in the game. I hope that stops you from thinking your play is bad :p Self-deprecation: Self-deprecation is the act of reprimanding oneself by belittling, undervaluing, or disparaging oneself, or being excessively modest. It can be used in humor and tension release. Being self-deprecating is usually considered a good trait, a quality of someone with a wry sense of humor. When being self-deprecating goes too far, it can become self-loathing and self-sabotaging, which are less amusing forms of putting yourself down. Also, if I tell myself I'm good then what happens to my motivation to improve? ![[image loading]](https://media3.giphy.com/media/tGQFAuLzsabkI/200.gif) | ||
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On October 16 2015 17:22 Rels wrote: deep too deep for me BTW your "No way he's scum 3 games in a row ..." is the worst reason ever p: it's the BH's way of being "100% right of the time, 20% of the time" Yes... yes it is. Didn't mean I ignored the possibility completely, though... maybe I said that as a way to sideline that train of thought... or maybe I didn't want to believe what my gut told me... Though tbh my initial gut reads besides you were all shit, lol. On October 16 2015 17:28 Rels wrote: I don't know if I agree with this self deprecating thing. Being humble is important. Actually, not being egocentric is important to evolve, and being humble is a sign someone is not egocentric. But being self deprecating is also a sign of someone being egocentric IMO, just focusing on the bad parts on his persona. Pretty sure this has nothing to do with me, so I disregard. | ||
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