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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 30 2015 13:48 GMT
#1541
also literally EVERY SINGLE TIME you attempt to use the "i'm never certain on anyone so this says something" argument like you did in gaiden

it's not a real argument

your case is still weak as shit

other mafia, go
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
September 30 2015 13:48 GMT
#1542
On September 30 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 22:45 sicklucker wrote:
On September 30 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:
like seriously...he was right on me LATE my first scumgame after realizing i'd hard pocketed him...i was previously his top town

that is the only time i'd say is comparable to this one and it's not remotely similar? just because the one time he tunneled me he was right doesn't make him right now @.@ he's not one of the better players at reading me by a longshot. course there really aren't any lol

the point is actually evaluate his case and decide from there

his case is just that i changed my read on him and nitnoidisms from earlier that he'd already dropped and were tonal

it's not a case on scum, and it's not strong, but regardless you should want to evaluate it for yourself @.@


oh you shouldnt have said that


lol why not? cause dumb people will not notice the logical fallacy and follow it anyway? lol

if i get lynched i will enjoy mocking you for your shit ass "certainty" and refusal to look at anyone else in the game

and i will refer back to this game LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE TIME you attempt to say you have a good read on me


because it means marv is 1 - 0 in this spot and that makes me want to vote you even more
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 30 2015 13:49 GMT
#1543
On September 30 2015 22:48 rsoultin wrote:
also literally EVERY SINGLE TIME you attempt to use the "i'm never certain on anyone so this says something" argument like you did in gaiden

it's not a real argument

your case is still weak as shit

other mafia, go

it really isn't. but thanks for keeping me certain with posts like these
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
September 30 2015 13:50 GMT
#1544
well ill go read yours a truffles interactions because I know hes mafia
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 30 2015 13:51 GMT
#1545
On September 30 2015 22:48 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
On September 30 2015 22:45 sicklucker wrote:
On September 30 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:
like seriously...he was right on me LATE my first scumgame after realizing i'd hard pocketed him...i was previously his top town

that is the only time i'd say is comparable to this one and it's not remotely similar? just because the one time he tunneled me he was right doesn't make him right now @.@ he's not one of the better players at reading me by a longshot. course there really aren't any lol

the point is actually evaluate his case and decide from there

his case is just that i changed my read on him and nitnoidisms from earlier that he'd already dropped and were tonal

it's not a case on scum, and it's not strong, but regardless you should want to evaluate it for yourself @.@


oh you shouldnt have said that


lol why not? cause dumb people will not notice the logical fallacy and follow it anyway? lol

if i get lynched i will enjoy mocking you for your shit ass "certainty" and refusal to look at anyone else in the game

and i will refer back to this game LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE TIME you attempt to say you have a good read on me


because it means marv is 1 - 0 in this spot and that makes me want to vote you even more


like seriously why the fuck would i even do this as scum? someone tell me why i would

MARV TELL ME WHY I WOULD
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
September 30 2015 13:53 GMT
#1546
On September 30 2015 09:41 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 09:39 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, can I have some advice?

I could read the thread tonight and almost certainly avoid being lynched.

Or I could go watch a movie with friends, which would be far more relaxing, but could very well end with me being lynched.

Or I could try to catch up on my studies, where I'm quite far behind (especially for only being a few weeks into the semester, I know I'm quite talented).

I don't know what to do I kinda just want to sleep early and forget about all of it...


trfel plz -_-


feels like this could have been said in the scum qt lol. maybe your not partners
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 30 2015 13:54 GMT
#1547
@.@

fuck it if the lynch is between me and trfel, 9 times out of 10 we're lynching town today

good job retards

i'm gonna clear my head and come back later...class soon anyway -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
September 30 2015 13:57 GMT
#1548
well i think jroc is like mafia 50-60% of the time thats still a good one. before scott posted his readlist i thought it was like 80
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 30 2015 14:00 GMT
#1549
marv your original case is flawed 'cause rsoultin townread you way before these posts:
On September 30 2015 18:28 marvellosity wrote:
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On September 30 2015 09:59 rsoultin wrote:
On September 30 2015 09:56 Damdred wrote:
RS rayn is town?


stronger read on you and marv, but i think so

he's being malleable which is more a town trait of his...malleable for rayn, anyway

i know that the scott vote contradicts that lol ><

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On September 30 2015 09:21 rsoultin wrote:

ye that was about it, other than agree with marv 100% on the semantics argument earlier not as interesting as you think it was rayn lol ><

strong townreads
damdy
rayn
marv

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On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote:
eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication


mafia.

##unvote
##vote: rsoultin


She townread you here:
On September 29 2015 20:03 rsoultin wrote:
meh

marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios

especially since damdy isn't scum either

marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/


and between this post and her scumread post you did things, so she could have re evaluated.

So the question is: did your posts between the original townread and the scumread really warranted a scumread ?
Because if that's the case what she's saying makes sense.

The only real thing you did during this series of post was a Moosy push, and here are her reasons for finding this push useless:
On September 30 2015 22:09 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 22:05 Rels wrote:
On September 30 2015 22:01 rsoultin wrote:
On September 30 2015 21:58 Rels wrote:
On September 30 2015 21:48 Rels wrote:
On September 30 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 20:03 rsoultin wrote:
meh

marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios

especially since damdy isn't scum either

marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/


this was where i townread him for his reaction, early yesterday morning over 24 hours ago, and when i actually unvoted

the sexy post was like 6-8 hours after that between classes cause i liked his vote on moosy and i thought rayn's bitching over semantics was just as asinine as marv's post suggested

OK let me check if that makes sense

It doesn't fucking make sense
marv did things between this post and your scumread of him. The two main things are him defending Trfel and attacking Moosy, both things you're in agreement with!

On September 29 2015 23:27 marvellosity wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:12 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
ok. i'm not sure how/why that's the same though?

It's like he says one thing then suddenly he says something completely different when anything should really have not changed in his opinion.

It's not obvious from the post you quoted, but if that is what happened, then it is similar to this game's rsoultin read progression.

Trfel had called ruxxar mafia for 3 ird-days. (D1/N1).
On D2 he says what is quoted red in my post.

oooo I thought you were talking about deconduo's read!!
Yeah if he scumread ruxxar all game, the sentence "I need to look closer at ruxxar" makes 0 sense. It is not exactly what's happening this game (Trfel didn't forget why he was scumreading rsoultin; he dismissed it, then found another reason) but it's similar! Perfect (=

i'm sure i might just be mad, but they don't seem that similar to me at all

1. scumreading someone (seriously) all game -> saying you need to look at them/forgetting what it is
2. scumreading someone with no particular pretense of a read -> weird waffle

On September 30 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote
##vote: moosydoosy


for the shit tlname read and the shitty vote on me, a null player placing really unwarranted implicit trust in Damdred's metaread

How can you scumread marv on this series of posts when the two maings things he's done are in agreement with your reads ?


i was no longer sure on moosy's being scum at the time i started reevaluating and regardless, him saying things that i agree with does not make him town by default which is why your scott's list post is good cause i agree with the reads assertion is weak as shit

my assertion

which you are not evaluating while seeing if i say things that make "sense"

was that he hadn't done much of anything productive all game...even after he responded to the pressure. specifically i asked damdy if he made any pushes worth pushing

this you just quoted has nothing to do with that

it's not only that. marv pushed for Moosy's lynch. Now maybe you disagreed with this read, but you never said it was why you scumread marv; you said it was because he didn't do anything noteworthy. Which is false since he pushed Moosy


i said a push worth pushing...obviously there's some subjectivity involved here

he clearly started pushing moosy for voting for him then when off on moosy saying cool "scared" him...which just isn't anything worthwhile imo

like even if moosy were scum, why would he be scared of cool? it's definitely not a scum slip and implies just what moosy said it implied...that moosy was calling cool scummy or scum

in other words, no, i did not find that push noteworthy or worthy of marv as a player...i liked him voting for moosy cause i was scumreading moosy, nothing more. the sexy comment was mostly for his response to rayn's bitching and the vote, not the argument

I think it makes sense
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 30 2015 14:00 GMT
#1550
let me just make this super clear to everyone first

point 1) marv is known for tunneling people who scumread him. he did it in horn, he's done it elsewhere, it's not a secret

point 2) i had him as a strong townread

point 3) no one was really suspecting him

point 4) there was a fairly wide distribution of votes

when you look at these points together, in order to call me scum, you have to assume that i chose to very noticeably reverse a strong townread to a scumread on a prominent player known for tunneling people who scumread him. you have to assume that i did this despite there being ample opportunity to get off an easier mislynch because the other wagons can't all be scum

there is no early reason for me to do this as scum when he's not a wagon, not being suspected. it's suicide as scum

town doesn't care about that. town cares about finding scum

there is 100% more town motivation to reverse a read here than there is scum motivation, because SCUM LITERALLY WOULD NEVER DO THIS

if you guys are retarded enough to lynch me anyway...gl. and i kinda hope scum wins cause i'm pretty sure marv is town and that level of derpery is ridiculous ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 30 2015 14:01 GMT
#1551
i don't understand how rsoultin townreading me earlier changes anything in the slightest about what i said.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 30 2015 14:01 GMT
#1552
@ rels.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 30 2015 14:03 GMT
#1553
On September 30 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
i don't understand how rsoultin townreading me earlier changes anything in the slightest about what i said.

'cause your case is based on the fact that she townread you, then scumread you when you made no posts in between
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
September 30 2015 14:03 GMT
#1554
I forget my reads as scum all the time. town not so much. im gonna look into what rel just posted tho
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 30 2015 14:03 GMT
#1555
On September 30 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote:
let me just make this super clear to everyone first

point 1) marv is known for tunneling people who scumread him. he did it in horn, he's done it elsewhere, it's not a secret

point 2) i had him as a strong townread

point 3) no one was really suspecting him

point 4) there was a fairly wide distribution of votes

when you look at these points together, in order to call me scum, you have to assume that i chose to very noticeably reverse a strong townread to a scumread on a prominent player known for tunneling people who scumread him. you have to assume that i did this despite there being ample opportunity to get off an easier mislynch because the other wagons can't all be scum

there is no early reason for me to do this as scum when he's not a wagon, not being suspected. it's suicide as scum

town doesn't care about that. town cares about finding scum

there is 100% more town motivation to reverse a read here than there is scum motivation, because SCUM LITERALLY WOULD NEVER DO THIS

if you guys are retarded enough to lynch me anyway...gl. and i kinda hope scum wins cause i'm pretty sure marv is town and that level of derpery is ridiculous ><

"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 30 2015 14:04 GMT
#1556
On September 30 2015 23:03 sicklucker wrote:
I forget my reads as scum all the time. town not so much. im gonna look into what rel just posted tho


i didn't forget my fucking reads!

i changed my read!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 30 2015 14:04 GMT
#1557
rsoultin stop posting this fucking thing. You could have town or scum motivation to put suspicions on marv, repeating this doesn't fucking matter. What's matter is if your read makes sense or not
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 30 2015 14:04 GMT
#1558
On September 30 2015 23:03 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
i don't understand how rsoultin townreading me earlier changes anything in the slightest about what i said.

'cause your case is based on the fact that she townread you, then scumread you when you made no posts in between

i never said once about having no posts in between.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
September 30 2015 14:06 GMT
#1559
"t doesn't fucking make sense
marv did things between this post and your scumread of him. The two main things are him defending Trfel and attacking Moosy, both things you're in agreement with"

is that true?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 30 2015 14:06 GMT
#1560
On September 30 2015 23:04 Rels wrote:
rsoultin stop posting this fucking thing. You could have town or scum motivation to put suspicions on marv, repeating this doesn't fucking matter. What's matter is if your read makes sense or not


no, the how and the circumstances absolutely do matter -_- my read making sense matters, too, but that's actually a very strong reason against my ever being scum here

scum actually does shit with a purpose in mind i mean seriously ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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