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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 06 2015 23:43 GMT
#5161
Half the Sky, you need to play more often!

Seriously, just play XD

It's easy to stand on the host high-horse, harder to make it happen yourself. I want to see YOU foster a healthy thread environment, that's possibly the hardest thing in the game to do....
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 06 2015 23:44 GMT
#5162
On October 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:
Half the Sky, you need to play more often!

Seriously, just play XD

It's easy to stand on the host high-horse, harder to make it happen yourself. I want to see YOU foster a healthy thread environment, that's possibly the hardest thing in the game to do....

she does well
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 06 2015 23:44 GMT
#5163
On October 07 2015 08:36 sicklucker wrote:
You guys need to play turbo games that end in an hour or 2. these week long games are too stressful for most. honestly days should be 24 hours 48 hours is way too long


Had we continued, I would have entertained your vote for the 24 hour days and would have posted the vote had you lot not conceded.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 06 2015 23:45 GMT
#5164
On October 07 2015 08:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:
Half the Sky, you need to play more often!

Seriously, just play XD

It's easy to stand on the host high-horse, harder to make it happen yourself. I want to see YOU foster a healthy thread environment, that's possibly the hardest thing in the game to do....

she does well
If she didn't, I wouldn't be asking her to play more often
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 06 2015 23:48 GMT
#5165
On October 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:
Half the Sky, you need to play more often!

Seriously, just play XD

It's easy to stand on the host high-horse, harder to make it happen yourself. I want to see YOU foster a healthy thread environment, that's possibly the hardest thing in the game to do....


Honestly I want to be able to play more in general. In the next 5 weeks, I have 2 weeks in Singapore and another week in NYC and somewhere in there a few weekends of weekend travel - I'll just put it out there but on Friday my husband and I celebrate our 5th year anniversary...so the next few we're doing some awesome fun things together.

I think once RL settles down (mmaaaayyyybeeeee the holidays?) I'd love to play again, but I've already had to replace out once when I was on business travel, and my last few days/cycle in Gaiden were in NYC and I did not fare well, so I have to be VERY careful that when I sign up for games it just does not interfere with travel or personal things.

That's the beauty of hosting and cohosting....vote counts and general setups they require spurts of time, and not continuous play which I simply cannot spare when I'm on the road and especially if I have to travel outside Europe.

Honestly I miss playing town with Rasputin, you and a few others....damn.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 06 2015 23:55 GMT
#5166
In any case off to bed I go. If there are any more comments/etc/feedback on hosting or anything else, drop me a line.

Night lovelies!
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 06 2015 23:57 GMT
#5167
On October 07 2015 08:40 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
To be honest, I just think that main problems are:

1. Everybody talks but nobody listens
2. People scum reads people for reasons that doesn't make them Mafia.

Whenever I feel like actually playing I always remember what Iamperfection told me, which is to analyse people through mindsets

Town wants to catch Mafia
Mafia wants to survive

The moment it came to my head I instantly put sicklucker to the lynch list.

If people want to play seriously, they have to think about this


You said the same thing I did but in 1/3 the words because I'm so bad xD

Great minds think alike GB <3

And good on you for remembering some of the things I taught you about hosting, you cited in game, Incidentally you didn't remember some of the most critical parts - if you had, you would have known that four blue roles is NOT possible at all in m13, but you did well enough. If you had your old host qt saved up you would see where I said this in there for Carnaval <3


<3 <3 <3 much love

I'll probably read it again soon
I'm adorable.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
October 07 2015 00:00 GMT
#5168
Tbh I also will taking a break from TL Mafia too until December mainly because I now don't actually got time to play because of College :\ I might just host until I free from college for a little bit which will happen after December 17th.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 00:23:44
October 07 2015 00:20 GMT
#5169
As a spectator and relatively new player to this site (only two games here on me) I will just say this -

some of you (namely LS and sicklucker, GB to a lesser extent) were very difficult to read on account of your posts being very tenuous to read. if English isn't your first language, that's one thing, but I had to read several posts multiple times which gets frustrating in a spammy game and especially in the spammy d1.

also I expressed concern to rsoultin and maybe I'll say it here, I struggled in my newbie to make my voice heard. I had a different perspective, I can't and don't use meta, and I was drowned out. This game would have probably broken me the way people were yelling over each other, as was mentioned. I feel that even as concise I know I can make my points I could have been ignored (assuming I would have gotten town if I played this one).

MD's posts were easy within the post, his thought process were all over the place but this I did not feel was unusual from his previous two games.

Meta. That word. My picks for scum were Rels and Shining with the third any of GB, Moosy (before he claimed) and LS. sicklucker I was null on most of the game, I couldn't read him at all.

I was skeptical of rayn very much before I research him in the database because he was just so fucking antagonistic I thought he was scum trying to run disruption and/or shit up the thread.

the balance debates/claim analysis sort of confused me, as well as I know HTS, I know jack shit about balancing stuff so like Moosy I would have ignored any arguments about the blues unless I was a blue role myself. I was cop in my last game yes, but....I had a coach.

I was encouraged to co-host....tbf and I've told HTS this...hosting seems like a thankless job...but maybe I'll just try vote counting and shit and see how it goes. EoD appears frustrating (and I know watching her firsthand) though to count the votes with all the switching going on. Not sure I'd have the patience to learn all the intracacies. I don't know.

well played everyone, and well played to the town for pulling it together in mylo.

thanks again rsoultin (or Tina, if you prefer) for having me shadow.

I agree with the sentiment for Trfel for town MVP. good on him.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 00:32:31
October 07 2015 00:30 GMT
#5170
I have no problem reading gb's or ls posts. Sure it took some time to figure them out. People who should work on there posting are people with 50 page filters without one solid scum read. shimmer it down and condense your posts
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 07 2015 00:31 GMT
#5171
On October 07 2015 09:30 sicklucker wrote:
I have no problem reading gb's or ls posts. Sure it took some time to figure them out. I cant read some other player gibberous posts but no reason to call them out


lol xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 07 2015 00:32 GMT
#5172
it's okay...i already know yours and scott's opinions and i have no intention of torturing y'all with my presence again anyway ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
October 07 2015 00:35 GMT
#5173
On October 04 2015 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
noone is above it, except for Blazinghand.

On October 05 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Why rng your vote? That is just insane unless your name is Blazinghand than it's normal.


I'm glad that my unique playstyle and the rules I don't follow make me a kind of boogeyman and exception that proves the rule in these games

"Oh, nobody does this / this makes no sense, unless of course you are Blazinghand"

Like, something's so ridiculous that the best way to illustrate how ridiculous it is is to say "only Blazinghand does this, so you know it's crazy"

this all pleases me
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2015 00:43 GMT
#5174
A lot of sites outside tl actually use much longer days which is a total nightmare. I've played both 24 hour days, 48 hour days, a week of rl in a day basically and done hour long days.

Out of all of that I prefer 48/24 it gives decent amount of time without totally wearing people out. While still being long enough to have worthwhile discussion.

Rs you shouldn't quit tbh you are a good player and you shouldn't let what players say in this case get to you. Take a break but come back.

I'm not really going to talk about balance I think it was much to town favored to an extreme but its just my opinion.

Besides that gg all and see you all one day.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
October 07 2015 01:05 GMT
#5175
it was insanely town balanced like wow. whats the town win rate on tl?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2015 01:13 GMT
#5176
Lower than mafia win rate
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 07 2015 03:44 GMT
#5177
I'm not sure why you guys say this game was town favored.

It was Town RB, DT, and 1-Shot Tracker vs Framer, RB, and a Strongman shot.

Seems pretty balanced to me, unless there's something I am missing.
I can take that responsibility.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2015 03:57 GMT
#5178
Town basically has a limited tracker that can catch any of the mafia (could get unlucky and track wanderer) besides that more than likely you have a confirmed town from that n1 more than likely.

Or he catches mafia and we get off on a good start.

The multishot dt is the strongest role early as its extremely unlikely that they get the framed target and I was never checking cool n1 so either I found scum or confirmed a town. No gf in this setup was hard.

And rb was the strongest town role in the game especially late. Its a mix between medic and cop.

Strongarm helps a bit. But town basically has three cops.

Mafia has a rb and a framer. Unless they get lucky with a frame or rb one of the roles yeah.

If we played optimal could come into d2 with 5 confirmed town with knowing one person at least didn't carry the shot.

However say moosey rb SL n1 he carries kp whops we have
I check shining (which I almost did to make sure)
And Scott tracked rels

That's super unlikely obviously but I don't think its fair for all mafia to be outer in one night if unlucky with power roles. While the mafia has little recourse to supreme luck in this setup
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2015 03:58 GMT
#5179
And strong man is kinda a moot point because it relies on a lucky shot or blues being dumb. Which they were
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 07 2015 04:44 GMT
#5180
On October 07 2015 12:57 Damdred wrote:
And rb was the strongest town role in the game especially late. Its a mix between medic and cop.

Strongarm helps a bit. But town basically has three cops.

Mafia has a rb and a framer. Unless they get lucky with a frame or rb one of the roles yeah.


I'm not gunna claim to understand balance terribly well, but I feel like your brushing off the Mafia roles a little too lightly here.

Like from a pure numbers stance it looks balanced, 2 "strong" roles and a single shot type role per side.

While I understand that the information provided to town by the DT and tracker can be very useful to town they rely on correct guesses just as much as the mafia roles do.

Now you could probably make a pretty good argument that the Framer is a fairly weak role, while both Cop and RB are fairly strong. So there might be some lean in favor of town, but I don't feel it's as overwhelmingly town favored as some were making it out to be.
I can take that responsibility.
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