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On October 07 2015 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Rayn, I like you very much, I remember playing voice Mafia with you and having a lot of fun
I don't understand why you antagonise me so much I don't. I don't read your posts when you do stupid stuff jsut for the sake of doing stupid stuff.. It's irritating and doesn't help anyone. It's just stupid if you are town. You were really townie throughout the game, especially on N2. I don't understand why you have to do some dumb reaction tests because it just cannot help in any way, you just get scumread for it.
Alright, the elephant in the room - this is NOT just at rayn but the townplay in general Day 1 and Day 2.
Just hear me out please. I realise people are going to say LOL HTS, it's easy to say when you have perfect information, but the fact of the matter is:
1 Townies DO illogical things from time to time. You cannot assume that a townie will play optimally 100% of the time. Suboptimal play does not mean a person is EXCLUSIVE mafia. Vivax gave me GREAT advice in Gaiden - is someone's read progression/case/overall behaviour believable from their perspective, even if suboptimal? That is the way to look into stuff. There are people who play very lurky or whose towngames are very scummy because they are new (coolTLname) or don't know what they are doing (Moosy), etc, and it's really important to try and see things from their perspective.
2 VCA (voting analysis) speaks volumes. I was a bit surprised that it was not used or looked into as much.
3 I have been guilty of this - but some of you need to watch how you use meta to defend people. People were hard defending the mafia for poorly rooted meta reasons or altogether inexplicable reasons. It made it harder partially for town to work together.
4 Town needed to do a much better job of LISTENING TO EACH OTHER. THERE ARE THREE MAFIA IN THE GAME. You might feel very strongly about one mafia, but someone else might be paying attention to another player for whatever reasons. There was far too much shouting over each other, and marvellosity even said in obs qt that this was partially related to #3.
5 NK analysis. Shining was strongly implicated from the deaths of Marv and Trfel. GlowingBear caught on to it but failed to convince people.
These are the things that stuck out most to me, but I feel that town could have worked a little better together the first few days simply by listening to each other and trying to understand the other perspective. Not everyone in every game is experienced as the other. And it makes it a bit more pleasant to play with others as well, foster an environment that makes people want to show they are town.
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On October 07 2015 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:
HTS thank you for hosting the game, it always run very smoothly.
Cheers, I hope everyone had fun or at least learnt something or got something out of this game.
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On October 07 2015 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah not gonna play another game aswell.
i get too mad with people who join games and don't give any fucks about playing.
i get mad when they get town read
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On October 07 2015 08:00 Rels wrote:
So the game from my mafia perspective:
I made a terrible mistake fakeclaiming a roleblocker. I was so sure I could get Moosy lynched I didn't care about future implications; and future implications meant that if my partners were caught, I would be left alive with Moosy and lose 1v1. Since Shining then sicklucker were caught, my mistake backfired hard and we lost. )=
We also made a mistake a few hours ago. SL and I adviced The Shining to not say anything; that was while GB was being pushed. If he had entered the thread that moment with angry posts, I'm pretty sure Moosy was the lynch.
Talking about the "angry post meta" fucking thing. I really felt we were fucked by that at some point. Like "Damdred is conf town because he's angry" and "LS is conf town because he screams at me" is bullshit meta. Nothing to do to counter that. Even I got townread by rayn because of a stupid rage post. I feel this really needs to stop for mafia to have an even chance to fight; and for this to stop, the players in question needs to improve their scumgames.
Finally, blues. Fucking blues. I was so mad at them the moment Moosy claimed roleblocker p: like if Moosy was VT, the game was 100% won. It also was probably won if I didn't idiotly fakeclaimed though. (=
Last words, I had a ton of fun playing this game. See you in the next one (=
if i yelled at ryan i would have been the last player in the game ryan confirmed town for it
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On October 07 2015 07:46 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 07:45 GlowingBear wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA JUST WHEN I WAS PREPARING A JOKE ABOUT RELS CONCEDING BECAUSE HE IS FRENCH
RELS CONCEDED
HAHAHAHA im french canadian fuck stereo types.
Didn't know that...I was in Quebec a month ago for a wedding and holiday. I went between Montreal and Quebec City, with most of my time in the former.
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On October 07 2015 08:04 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 08:03 GlowingBear wrote:On October 07 2015 08:00 Rels wrote:
So the game from my mafia perspective:
I made a terrible mistake fakeclaiming a roleblocker. I was so sure I could get Moosy lynched I didn't care about future implications; and future implications meant that if my partners were caught, I would be left alive with Moosy and lose 1v1. Since Shining then sicklucker were caught, my mistake backfired hard and we lost. )=
We also made a mistake a few hours ago. SL and I adviced The Shining to not say anything; that was while GB was being pushed. If he had entered the thread that moment with angry posts, I'm pretty sure Moosy was the lynch.
Talking about the "angry post meta" fucking thing. I really felt we were fucked by that at some point. Like "Damdred is conf town because he's angry" and "LS is conf town because he screams at me" is bullshit meta. Nothing to do to counter that. Even I got townread by rayn because of a stupid rage post. I feel this really needs to stop for mafia to have an even chance to fight; and for this to stop, the players in question needs to improve their scumgames.
Finally, blues. Fucking blues. I was so mad at them the moment Moosy claimed roleblocker p: like if Moosy was VT, the game was 100% won. It also was probably won if I didn't idiotly fakeclaimed though. (=
Last words, I had a ton of fun playing this game. See you in the next one (= Emotion can be faked and I've seen people catching fake emotions all the time 100%. Just look, LS immediately townread sicklucker and Shining for that...
yep so like marv says maybe people should stop making up town reads. its makes the game pretty random
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And those of you taking a break, I completely understand.
I understand if certain people/things/elements have burnt you out, or if RL gives you issues (I can totally hear you all on that one) or just need a break from the site, but do consider returning at some point, I feel there have been some good quality games with some of you in the past, and there are a few I wish I could roll scum with (Damdred, Rasputin, etc) still.
Good times were had, and good times will be had again I'm sure. <3
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On October 07 2015 08:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:I like the kSC knight action for rsoul in the scum QT.  mmm...
lol! ya i got kinda annoyed by that no hard feelings. joe rogan mad
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On October 07 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:
Honestly, I felt like there was a lot of really good play this game. From both sides.
The only slouch was J Roc, and that was because his internet died, so not his fault. Everyone else put in a bunch of effort, and most games aren't like that (often that's my fault....).
Frustrating game to play in, very enjoyable once I died XD
no he was pretty terrible when he played 
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On October 07 2015 08:21 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Rayn, I like you very much, I remember playing voice Mafia with you and having a lot of fun
I don't understand why you antagonise me so much I don't. I don't read your posts when you do stupid stuff jsut for the sake of doing stupid stuff.. It's irritating and doesn't help anyone. It's just stupid if you are town. You were really townie throughout the game, especially on N2. I don't understand why you have to do some dumb reaction tests because it just cannot help in any way, you just get scumread for it. Alright, the elephant in the room - this is NOT just at rayn but the townplay in general Day 1 and Day 2. Just hear me out please. I realise people are going to say LOL HTS, it's easy to say when you have perfect information, but the fact of the matter is: 1 Townies DO illogical things from time to time. You cannot assume that a townie will play optimally 100% of the time. Suboptimal play does not mean a person is EXCLUSIVE mafia. Vivax gave me GREAT advice in Gaiden - is someone's read progression/case/overall behaviour believable from their perspective, even if suboptimal? That is the way to look into stuff. There are people who play very lurky or whose towngames are very scummy because they are new (coolTLname) or don't know what they are doing (Moosy), etc, and it's really important to try and see things from their perspective. 2 VCA (voting analysis) speaks volumes. I was a bit surprised that it was not used or looked into as much. 3 I have been guilty of this - but some of you need to watch how you use meta to defend people. People were hard defending the mafia for poorly rooted meta reasons or altogether inexplicable reasons. It made it harder partially for town to work together. 4 Town needed to do a much better job of LISTENING TO EACH OTHER. THERE ARE THREE MAFIA IN THE GAME. You might feel very strongly about one mafia, but someone else might be paying attention to another player for whatever reasons. There was far too much shouting over each other, and marvellosity even said in obs qt that this was partially related to #3. 5 NK analysis. Shining was strongly implicated from the deaths of Marv and Trfel. GlowingBear caught on to it but failed to convince people. These are the things that stuck out most to me, but I feel that town could have worked a little better together the first few days simply by listening to each other and trying to understand the other perspective. Not everyone in every game is experienced as the other. And it makes it a bit more pleasant to play with others as well, foster an environment that makes people want to show they are town.
i used it very well they should have listened to me sooner. they completely ignored it but i expected that or I wouldnt have used it. THE SCUM TEAM ALWAYS VOTES SCOTT IN THAT SPOT
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To be honest, I just think that main problems are:
1. Everybody talks but nobody listens
2. People scum reads people for reasons that doesn't make them Mafia.
Whenever I feel like actually playing I always remember what Iamperfection told me, which is to analyse people through mindsets
Town wants to catch Mafia
Mafia wants to survive
The moment it came to my head I instantly put sicklucker to the lynch list.
If people want to play seriously, they have to think about this
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On October 07 2015 08:26 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 07:46 sicklucker wrote:On October 07 2015 07:45 GlowingBear wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA JUST WHEN I WAS PREPARING A JOKE ABOUT RELS CONCEDING BECAUSE HE IS FRENCH
RELS CONCEDED
HAHAHAHA im french canadian fuck stereo types. Didn't know that...I was in Quebec a month ago for a wedding and holiday. I went between Montreal and Quebec City, with most of my time in the former.
You jerks always make fun of my bad spelling =[ You should feel bnad
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You guys need to play turbo games that end in an hour or 2. these week long games are too stressful for most. honestly days should be 24 hours 48 hours is way too long
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Going to sleep! Thanks Hts and ksc for hosting. Maybe fidei too, even if he didn't get me French oak ...
That game was run perfectly. No improvement needed
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On October 07 2015 08:34 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 08:21 Half the Sky wrote:On October 07 2015 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Rayn, I like you very much, I remember playing voice Mafia with you and having a lot of fun
I don't understand why you antagonise me so much I don't. I don't read your posts when you do stupid stuff jsut for the sake of doing stupid stuff.. It's irritating and doesn't help anyone. It's just stupid if you are town. You were really townie throughout the game, especially on N2. I don't understand why you have to do some dumb reaction tests because it just cannot help in any way, you just get scumread for it. Alright, the elephant in the room - this is NOT just at rayn but the townplay in general Day 1 and Day 2. Just hear me out please. I realise people are going to say LOL HTS, it's easy to say when you have perfect information, but the fact of the matter is: 1 Townies DO illogical things from time to time. You cannot assume that a townie will play optimally 100% of the time. Suboptimal play does not mean a person is EXCLUSIVE mafia. Vivax gave me GREAT advice in Gaiden - is someone's read progression/case/overall behaviour believable from their perspective, even if suboptimal? That is the way to look into stuff. There are people who play very lurky or whose towngames are very scummy because they are new (coolTLname) or don't know what they are doing (Moosy), etc, and it's really important to try and see things from their perspective. 2 VCA (voting analysis) speaks volumes. I was a bit surprised that it was not used or looked into as much. 3 I have been guilty of this - but some of you need to watch how you use meta to defend people. People were hard defending the mafia for poorly rooted meta reasons or altogether inexplicable reasons. It made it harder partially for town to work together. 4 Town needed to do a much better job of LISTENING TO EACH OTHER. THERE ARE THREE MAFIA IN THE GAME. You might feel very strongly about one mafia, but someone else might be paying attention to another player for whatever reasons. There was far too much shouting over each other, and marvellosity even said in obs qt that this was partially related to #3. 5 NK analysis. Shining was strongly implicated from the deaths of Marv and Trfel. GlowingBear caught on to it but failed to convince people. These are the things that stuck out most to me, but I feel that town could have worked a little better together the first few days simply by listening to each other and trying to understand the other perspective. Not everyone in every game is experienced as the other. And it makes it a bit more pleasant to play with others as well, foster an environment that makes people want to show they are town. i used it very well they should have listened to me sooner. they completely ignored it but i expected that or I wouldnt have used it. THE SCUM TEAM ALWAYS VOTES SCOTT IN THAT SPOT
Funnily enough that was the reason i scumread Shining and probably should have scumread Relös aswell (i bought his explanation). Good job giving away BOTH of your teammates.
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On October 07 2015 08:21 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Rayn, I like you very much, I remember playing voice Mafia with you and having a lot of fun
I don't understand why you antagonise me so much I don't. I don't read your posts when you do stupid stuff jsut for the sake of doing stupid stuff.. It's irritating and doesn't help anyone. It's just stupid if you are town. You were really townie throughout the game, especially on N2. I don't understand why you have to do some dumb reaction tests because it just cannot help in any way, you just get scumread for it. Alright, the elephant in the room - this is NOT just at rayn but the townplay in general Day 1 and Day 2. Just hear me out please. I realise people are going to say LOL HTS, it's easy to say when you have perfect information, but the fact of the matter is: 1 Townies DO illogical things from time to time. You cannot assume that a townie will play optimally 100% of the time. Suboptimal play does not mean a person is EXCLUSIVE mafia. Vivax gave me GREAT advice in Gaiden - is someone's read progression/case/overall behaviour believable from their perspective, even if suboptimal? That is the way to look into stuff. There are people who play very lurky or whose towngames are very scummy because they are new (coolTLname) or don't know what they are doing (Moosy), etc, and it's really important to try and see things from their perspective. 2 VCA (voting analysis) speaks volumes. I was a bit surprised that it was not used or looked into as much. 3 I have been guilty of this - but some of you need to watch how you use meta to defend people. People were hard defending the mafia for poorly rooted meta reasons or altogether inexplicable reasons. It made it harder partially for town to work together. 4 Town needed to do a much better job of LISTENING TO EACH OTHER. THERE ARE THREE MAFIA IN THE GAME. You might feel very strongly about one mafia, but someone else might be paying attention to another player for whatever reasons. There was far too much shouting over each other, and marvellosity even said in obs qt that this was partially related to #3. 5 NK analysis. Shining was strongly implicated from the deaths of Marv and Trfel. GlowingBear caught on to it but failed to convince people. These are the things that stuck out most to me, but I feel that town could have worked a little better together the first few days simply by listening to each other and trying to understand the other perspective. Not everyone in every game is experienced as the other. And it makes it a bit more pleasant to play with others as well, foster an environment that makes people want to show they are town.
These are wise words
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On October 07 2015 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 08:34 sicklucker wrote:On October 07 2015 08:21 Half the Sky wrote:On October 07 2015 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Rayn, I like you very much, I remember playing voice Mafia with you and having a lot of fun
I don't understand why you antagonise me so much I don't. I don't read your posts when you do stupid stuff jsut for the sake of doing stupid stuff.. It's irritating and doesn't help anyone. It's just stupid if you are town. You were really townie throughout the game, especially on N2. I don't understand why you have to do some dumb reaction tests because it just cannot help in any way, you just get scumread for it. Alright, the elephant in the room - this is NOT just at rayn but the townplay in general Day 1 and Day 2. Just hear me out please. I realise people are going to say LOL HTS, it's easy to say when you have perfect information, but the fact of the matter is: 1 Townies DO illogical things from time to time. You cannot assume that a townie will play optimally 100% of the time. Suboptimal play does not mean a person is EXCLUSIVE mafia. Vivax gave me GREAT advice in Gaiden - is someone's read progression/case/overall behaviour believable from their perspective, even if suboptimal? That is the way to look into stuff. There are people who play very lurky or whose towngames are very scummy because they are new (coolTLname) or don't know what they are doing (Moosy), etc, and it's really important to try and see things from their perspective. 2 VCA (voting analysis) speaks volumes. I was a bit surprised that it was not used or looked into as much. 3 I have been guilty of this - but some of you need to watch how you use meta to defend people. People were hard defending the mafia for poorly rooted meta reasons or altogether inexplicable reasons. It made it harder partially for town to work together. 4 Town needed to do a much better job of LISTENING TO EACH OTHER. THERE ARE THREE MAFIA IN THE GAME. You might feel very strongly about one mafia, but someone else might be paying attention to another player for whatever reasons. There was far too much shouting over each other, and marvellosity even said in obs qt that this was partially related to #3. 5 NK analysis. Shining was strongly implicated from the deaths of Marv and Trfel. GlowingBear caught on to it but failed to convince people. These are the things that stuck out most to me, but I feel that town could have worked a little better together the first few days simply by listening to each other and trying to understand the other perspective. Not everyone in every game is experienced as the other. And it makes it a bit more pleasant to play with others as well, foster an environment that makes people want to show they are town. i used it very well they should have listened to me sooner. they completely ignored it but i expected that or I wouldnt have used it. THE SCUM TEAM ALWAYS VOTES SCOTT IN THAT SPOT Funnily enough that was the reason i scumread Shining and probably should have scumread Relös aswell (i bought his explanation). Good job giving away BOTH of your teammates.
yes i knew you had it figured out why do you think i quit? altho you should give me credit for it damn you
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VCA is idiotic if you don't know the other wagon's alignment * cough rsoultin *
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On October 07 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
To be honest, I just think that main problems are:
1. Everybody talks but nobody listens
2. People scum reads people for reasons that doesn't make them Mafia.
Whenever I feel like actually playing I always remember what Iamperfection told me, which is to analyse people through mindsets
Town wants to catch Mafia
Mafia wants to survive
The moment it came to my head I instantly put sicklucker to the lynch list.
If people want to play seriously, they have to think about this
You said the same thing I did but in 1/3 the words because I'm so bad xD
Great minds think alike GB <3
And good on you for remembering some of the things I taught you about hosting, you cited in game, Incidentally you didn't remember some of the most critical parts - if you had, you would have known that four blue roles is NOT possible at all in m13, but you did well enough. If you had your old host qt saved up you would see where I said this in there for Carnaval <3
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