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Rels
France13467 Posts
I'm super happy I played well, and my mistakes were very clear: apathetic early days, brought shining unnecessarily into the spotlight D2, had only Moosy as a mislynch target D3 without a backup plan, stupid fakeclaim D3. So boys, you've been warned; I won't do them again  Will post my (almost) all vanilla super soon, for those interested! Still have a few things to discuss with Hts then we ll be good to go. If anyone in interested in cohosting; an American cohost would be awesome! | ||
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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
On October 07 2015 08:00 Rels wrote: Talking about the "angry post meta" fucking thing. I really felt we were fucked by that at some point. Like "Damdred is conf town because he's angry" and "LS is conf town because he screams at me" is bullshit meta. Nothing to do to counter that. Even I got townread by rayn because of a stupid rage post. I feel this really needs to stop for mafia to have an even chance to fight; and for this to stop, the players in question needs to improve their scumgames. Yes, and this is a big problem overall. People are favoring one alignment and not trying their best when they get the other one. There are people who don't give a fuck about towngames which therefore makes it easier for them to play as mafia (-> Onegu is a good example) and there are people who cba doing their best as mafia (most people do this and it is somewhat understandable but still a problem) so they don't get emotional or very invested in those games. Which in return makes their towngames easier because they can just switch the effort/the rage on and to get cleared. This is why you found yourself in this situation and why mafia did not have any chance to win in xxx even though the setup was mafia favored and the cop checked the miller night1. BH is correct, you should do everything in your power to win a game as mafia but most people just don't. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
GB: your post about listening to others and what have you especially applies to you. You tunnelled coolTLname to the lynch based on nothing and I told you why Damdred was 100% town and you just kept calling him mafia. It was really dull. Day 1 The Shining was the classic of example of free hard townreads on a player for nothing. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 07 2015 18:00 marvellosity wrote: gg wp town GB: your post about listening to others and what have you especially applies to you. You tunnelled coolTLname to the lynch based on nothing and I told you why Damdred was 100% town and you just kept calling him mafia. It was really dull. Day 1 The Shining was the classic of example of free hard townreads on a player for nothing. Listening to others doesn't mean I have to agree with you. People called shining town the same way you called Damdred town. I simply played a lot with Damdred and couldn't agree that he would react like that as town. When I say everybody talks but nobody listens I mean when people start calling everyone Mafia and not considering other people's opinion or not even trying to see their scum reads coming from a town perspective. And although I had a scum read on him I dropped it down several times because of you. And I've dropped a scum read on LS several times when rsoultin and Rayn called him town. And I came back to your filter and truffle's to find your reads. So I don't really know what you're talking about | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
none of the reads on Shining were like that. edit: my general point was that you are actually quite obstinate yourself :p | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 07 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote: no, the Shining townreads were quite different. My Damdred read was "he would 100% never do this as mafia, therefore he is 100% town" none of the reads on Shining were like that. edit: my general point was that you are actually quite obstinate yourself :p Like LYNCH HOLYFLARE XD | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On October 07 2015 18:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: #swag Well played sir | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 07 2015 20:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh jesus that's large when I open the thread on my pc x_x That's what she said | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
In hindsight Damdred should have not claimed (obviously), but it would have been better even if scott was mafia. We could still have lynched another mafia, and regardless of scott's alignment him being alive on N1 it ensures Damdred gets a check. Mafia cannot roleblock him if scott is mafia, mafia will not roleblock him is scott is town. He will definitely not get strongarmed. I don't fault him for his decision, i would have probably done the same with the time left on the day phase, but it's just something that came to me a bit later.... I really really can't understand why people do not read and/or try to process what they read in certain situations. Nobody except for marv (and Rels but that's kinda irrelevant since he was mafia) understood my argument on J Roc (mainly looking at Damdred, Trfel and rsoultin here). I found out it very frustrating when i was saying "bananas are yellow", Damdred and Trfel come in and say "oranges are orange", and then rsoultin comes to say "Damdred is factually correct"................................... ugh. Please, try to understand the meaning behind the posts and thought process before you post. And this is not just for those people but to others aswell. That was just one of many examples. I understand the argument behind shining read (that marv just pointed out -- and Trfel on D2). My problem is, like i said when the game ended, the last couple of games i have been too busy lynching stupidity. It's very hard for me to not lynch people who say the following stuff: - first read in the game, "rayn is bussing sicklucker" [screw you motherfucker, I WAS EVEN RIGHT!!] - some guy doesn't read the thread at all and makes bullshit argument for 72 hours and in the meantime claims "lynch all liars" and "people who don't read the thread are mafia"..... - some dude reads like only the last post in thread and follows the thread sentiment, then does VCA and ends up in a conclusion "this is how people voted". when you tell them to read the thread, they fucking mock you and somehow you are the reason they are not reading the thread in the first place... super terrible. - "this dude counter-claims me in lylo, so i'll swap my read on him from mafia -> town" ?!?!?!?!?!?"?!"?!#¤#%(UDSJF.................... ....over let's say shining, who was at least being reasonable with his posts. I understand this kinda stuff often comes from a townie, but at the same time, even if it does the town is gonna lose the game if those players are alive at the end of the game 100% (especially against Rels who was really really active here). I know this is a "shitty" thing to say but nowadays i end up lynching people who will lose the game for the town regardless of their alignment more than mafia, because they distract me from finding mafia. That's why i don't want to play anymore with people i consider to be in that category. J Roc left scott in a really shitty position. For me there was nothing that could ever make me re-consired the read, regardless of what scott said. I am sorry for scott, but when i decide someone is mafia, there is no more "discussing", that phase is over, then i just try to lynch that player until something really extreme happens (like claim -- well that didn't really help here...  ).I liked the last day phase. The case/votes on GlowingBear basically solved the game (regardless of Rels/Moosy alignment). Rels you should have not claimed. I understand your reasoning but you have to think further. You didn't, obviously because you wanted to win the game there. That was a mistake because Shining was really really likely to be lynched anyways. Well played anyways. sicklucker apparently says townie stuff only when he is pointing out who his scumbuddies are. Thank you for making my game easier on D3. Yeah, idk, it's nice to leave with a win but the game was still shit. Very shit. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I liked the last day phase. The case/votes on GlowingBear basically solved the game (regardless of Rels/Moosy alignment). Rels you should have not claimed. I understand your reasoning but you have to think further. You didn't, obviously because you wanted to win the game there. That was a mistake because Shining was really really likely to be lynched anyways. Well played anyways. Yeah I made a huuuuuuge mistake. I even was one of the main pusher of Shining; really should just have stucked in him. I saw Moosy's claim had a lot of holes and thought there was no way people would want to lynch outside of us two. sicklucker even warned me not to counter claim; but I had my fucking breadcrumb prepared just for that case, it was soooo tempting. p: rayn that's true you scumread a lot of townie, but you played a big part in town victory. You decided rsoultin was town after seeing the townie trait in her; then pushed GB and saw he was town. After that, the game was solved because I had stupidly counter claimed. So GG; I thought you were more likely to lynch Moosy than Trfel, looks like I was wrong. (= | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On October 07 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I decided she is town because of her AtE. That is the only thing. Which makes it... meh. I really don't understand how you didn't see it earlier, though it's easy for me to say since I knew her alignment :p | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 07 2015 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i really think MoosyDoosy should have been modkilled for not voting. Meh. He clearly unvoted to vote himself, so if the selfvote is not allowed, the unvote shouldn't count either. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 07 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I really don't understand how you didn't see it earlier, though it's easy for me to say since I knew her alignment :p she did a lot of things i considered more likely to come from mafia, i pointed all of them out. But idk.. i am bad at reading her anyways. I always think she is scum. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 07 2015 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: ALSO SUCK IT BLAZINGHAND MY RNG ACTUALLY HITS MAFIA! ... I thought it was a fucking random ??? It hit just the right person then p: | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
come and fight me bro tomorrow same time the place: newbie XV | ||
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