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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 07 2015 12:13 GMT
#5201
On October 07 2015 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I decided she is town because of her AtE. That is the only thing. Which makes it... meh.

I really don't understand how you didn't see it earlier, though it's easy for me to say since I knew her alignment :p

she did a lot of things i considered more likely to come from mafia, i pointed all of them out.
But idk.. i am bad at reading her anyways. I always think she is scum.

You just get stuck a lot on what you think people should be doing, which you usually reason from what you would do in their place. There's a variety of reasons for why people do the things they do and it seems that you don't really understand how she thinks.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 07 2015 12:13 GMT
#5202
On October 07 2015 21:11 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i really think MoosyDoosy should have been modkilled for not voting.

Meh. He clearly unvoted to vote himself, so if the selfvote is not allowed, the unvote shouldn't count either.

Of course it should. If someone is dumb enough to not see they are not allowed to vote for themselves, then it's their fault. Same as if someone is dumb enough to roleblock themselves in a delivered KP game then they are dumb enough to block their own KP.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 07 2015 12:14 GMT
#5203
On October 07 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 18:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [#swag] +
[image loading]

come and fight me bro
tomorrow same time
the place: newbie XV

Signing up to a mafia game when I have internet access at work will result in me never doing work ever so I'd rather not >>
That and playing games is far too stressful.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 07 2015 12:16 GMT
#5204
On October 07 2015 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I decided she is town because of her AtE. That is the only thing. Which makes it... meh.

I really don't understand how you didn't see it earlier, though it's easy for me to say since I knew her alignment :p

she did a lot of things i considered more likely to come from mafia, i pointed all of them out.
But idk.. i am bad at reading her anyways. I always think she is scum.

You just get stuck a lot on what you think people should be doing, which you usually reason from what you would do in their place. There's a variety of reasons for why people do the things they do and it seems that you don't really understand how she thinks.

I know i don't understand that (well actually i do now after talking with her about it).

But some of the things just looked very much more likely to come from scum than town, like the GB case on D1 -> which came when she was under pressure. And it looked like this:
- glowingbear does stuff
- rsoultin townreads him
- glowingbear continues doing same stuff
- rsoultin is scumread
- suddenly rsoultin scumreads gb....
i found it out to be fishy as hell.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 07 2015 12:17 GMT
#5205
Also her read on marv was like "no fucking hell...."
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2015 12:22 GMT
#5206
I just couldn't believe rsoultin's famous "tone reading" could mean that she wasn't reading me as obvious town. It was confusing.

Also the Shining stuff is kinda indicative of my decreased confidence in my own mafiareads in the last ~6 months (due to laziness/busyness/whatever).

It came to mind I'd have pushed that as a shenanny lynch much harder in times gone by and probably got it, instead of frowning and giving up.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 07 2015 12:26 GMT
#5207
mmm basically the first thing was her reads on me and you and how she approached them that made me scumread her.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 07 2015 12:27 GMT
#5208
meh.. last five games my initial (first scumread) in the game has been 100% correct and 3/5 i have dropped it because someone else who is town starts doing dumb shit.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 07 2015 12:27 GMT
#5209
On October 07 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I decided she is town because of her AtE. That is the only thing. Which makes it... meh.

I really don't understand how you didn't see it earlier, though it's easy for me to say since I knew her alignment :p

she did a lot of things i considered more likely to come from mafia, i pointed all of them out.
But idk.. i am bad at reading her anyways. I always think she is scum.

You just get stuck a lot on what you think people should be doing, which you usually reason from what you would do in their place. There's a variety of reasons for why people do the things they do and it seems that you don't really understand how she thinks.

I know i don't understand that (well actually i do now after talking with her about it).

But some of the things just looked very much more likely to come from scum than town, like the GB case on D1 -> which came when she was under pressure. And it looked like this:
- glowingbear does stuff
- rsoultin townreads him
- glowingbear continues doing same stuff
- rsoultin is scumread
- suddenly rsoultin scumreads gb....
i found it out to be fishy as hell.

I find that pretty understandable honestly. Things he posts later can result in having a different perspective on the things he's posted earlier. Plus it's very different reading someone's posts when you have sort of a townread on them over reading their filter when you saw something suspicious.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 12:31:34
October 07 2015 12:30 GMT
#5210
On October 07 2015 21:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I decided she is town because of her AtE. That is the only thing. Which makes it... meh.

I really don't understand how you didn't see it earlier, though it's easy for me to say since I knew her alignment :p

she did a lot of things i considered more likely to come from mafia, i pointed all of them out.
But idk.. i am bad at reading her anyways. I always think she is scum.

You just get stuck a lot on what you think people should be doing, which you usually reason from what you would do in their place. There's a variety of reasons for why people do the things they do and it seems that you don't really understand how she thinks.

I know i don't understand that (well actually i do now after talking with her about it).

But some of the things just looked very much more likely to come from scum than town, like the GB case on D1 -> which came when she was under pressure. And it looked like this:
- glowingbear does stuff
- rsoultin townreads him
- glowingbear continues doing same stuff
- rsoultin is scumread
- suddenly rsoultin scumreads gb....
i found it out to be fishy as hell.

I find that pretty understandable honestly. Things he posts later can result in having a different perspective on the things he's posted earlier. Plus it's very different reading someone's posts when you have sort of a townread on them over reading their filter when you saw something suspicious.

I know. In my opinion she didn't explain this clearly enough though.
I mean i also know it's mostly my fault because i was scumreading her already, but still..
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
October 07 2015 12:33 GMT
#5211
On October 07 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I decided she is town because of her AtE. That is the only thing. Which makes it... meh.


What is AtE?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 12:36:00
October 07 2015 12:35 GMT
#5212
On October 07 2015 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 21:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 07 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I decided she is town because of her AtE. That is the only thing. Which makes it... meh.

I really don't understand how you didn't see it earlier, though it's easy for me to say since I knew her alignment :p

she did a lot of things i considered more likely to come from mafia, i pointed all of them out.
But idk.. i am bad at reading her anyways. I always think she is scum.

You just get stuck a lot on what you think people should be doing, which you usually reason from what you would do in their place. There's a variety of reasons for why people do the things they do and it seems that you don't really understand how she thinks.

I know i don't understand that (well actually i do now after talking with her about it).

But some of the things just looked very much more likely to come from scum than town, like the GB case on D1 -> which came when she was under pressure. And it looked like this:
- glowingbear does stuff
- rsoultin townreads him
- glowingbear continues doing same stuff
- rsoultin is scumread
- suddenly rsoultin scumreads gb....
i found it out to be fishy as hell.

I find that pretty understandable honestly. Things he posts later can result in having a different perspective on the things he's posted earlier. Plus it's very different reading someone's posts when you have sort of a townread on them over reading their filter when you saw something suspicious.

I know. In my opinion she didn't explain this clearly enough though.
I mean i also know it's mostly my fault because i was scumreading her already, but still..

Mhm. You need to be a bit more open to what people you think are scum are saying next time you play, whenever that may be
On October 07 2015 21:33 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I decided she is town because of her AtE. That is the only thing. Which makes it... meh.


What is AtE?

Appeal to emotion.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 07 2015 12:35 GMT
#5213
Rels you know what;
You actually had a chance after people didn't want to lynch Moosy.
You should have claimed scum (not literally, but make people lynch you) and then kill Moosy.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 07 2015 12:36 GMT
#5214
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 12:37:56
October 07 2015 12:37 GMT
#5215
On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it.

Honestly your martyring made you a pretty lock town. The way you truly openly didn't care about whether you got lynched or not is something mafia tend not to do because they don't want to sleight their team imo, or at least not when there's still hope.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 07 2015 12:38 GMT
#5216
On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it.

Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed.
It really does.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 07 2015 12:38 GMT
#5217
On October 07 2015 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels you know what;
You actually had a chance after people didn't want to lynch Moosy.
You should have claimed scum (not literally, but make people lynch you) and then kill Moosy.

Yeah I had a lot of options. I shouldn't have been so fixated on Moosy
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 12:40:50
October 07 2015 12:38 GMT
#5218
On October 07 2015 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ALSO SUCK IT BLAZINGHAND MY RNG ACTUALLY HITS MAFIA!


nice. speaking of RNG though...taking a look at the opposite extreme...

On October 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few thoughts and comments:

In hindsight Damdred should have not claimed (obviously), but it would have been better even if scott was mafia. We could still have lynched another mafia, and regardless of scott's alignment him being alive on N1 it ensures Damdred gets a check. Mafia cannot roleblock him if scott is mafia, mafia will not roleblock him is scott is town. He will definitely not get strongarmed. I don't fault him for his decision, i would have probably done the same with the time left on the day phase, but it's just something that came to me a bit later....


interestingly enough, I'm going through the mods' google doc....rsoultin the wanderer randomly visited marvellosity the same night mafia killed him.

had that tracker lived and tracked rsoultin to marv...I'm pretty sure rsoultin would have been auto-lynched. that is some shitty RNG.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
October 07 2015 12:39 GMT
#5219
On October 07 2015 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it.

Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed.
It really does.

Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 07 2015 12:40 GMT
#5220
On October 07 2015 21:38 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ALSO SUCK IT BLAZINGHAND MY RNG ACTUALLY HITS MAFIA!


nice. speaking of RNG though...taking a look at the opposite extreme...

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few thoughts and comments:

In hindsight Damdred should have not claimed (obviously), but it would have been better even if scott was mafia. We could still have lynched another mafia, and regardless of scott's alignment him being alive on N1 it ensures Damdred gets a check. Mafia cannot roleblock him if scott is mafia, mafia will not roleblock him is scott is town. He will definitely not get strongarmed. I don't fault him for his decision, i would have probably done the same with the time left on the day phase, but it's just something that came to me a bit later....


interestingly enough, I'm going through the mods' google doc....rsoultin the wanderer randomly visited marvellosity the same night mafia killed him.

had that tracker lived and tracked rsoultin to marv...I'm pretty sure rsoultin would have been auto-lynched. that is some shitty RNG.

I am pretty sure the tracker would have been either roleblocked or killed.
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