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oh lord people are talking about me like i will never read this @.@
tbh rayn, you weren't reading my posts. at some point after i said damdred was factually correct, which he was, but said that i agreed you don't unnecessarily buss (however others may think different cause it's subjective, so that doesn't automatically make someone scum!) you decided i was scum
everything i did after that you saw through scum-tinted glasses
the irony was i was right. about damdy and j roc lol >< and yes, marv, you're right tonally you were very townie  contrary to popular knowledge, however, i don't actually only base my reads on tone
@rayn...i get that you think what happened was pathetic. i thought it was, too. i couldn't actually go to class that morning because it was so obvious i'd been crying and that's why i won't play mafia anymore because that's ridiculous and pathetic
but the fact that it required that for you to listen or even entertain the notion that i could be town (you really were tunneling me from d1 pretty much blindly!) just as with cool and j roc and moosy...all people i disagreed with you on at one point or another...gb, too...because you see illogical as scum when it's really not...you're a good player but your play has some weaknesses for sure, and it's not just on those of us who don't think the way you do
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also yay saturdays and yes i'm coming on skype, lex lol i was disconnecting so i could get schoolwork for tomorrow done this morning
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I DIDN'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING
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On October 07 2015 22:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I DIDN'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING
i knew you'd wonder when i posted and wasn't on skype xP
lol you're a goober
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On October 07 2015 12:57 Damdred wrote:
Town basically has a limited tracker that can catch any of the mafia (could get unlucky and track wanderer) besides that more than likely you have a confirmed town from that n1 more than likely.
Or he catches mafia and we get off on a good start.
The multishot dt is the strongest role early as its extremely unlikely that they get the framed target and I was never checking cool n1 so either I found scum or confirmed a town. No gf in this setup was hard.
And rb was the strongest town role in the game especially late. Its a mix between medic and cop.
Strongarm helps a bit. But town basically has three cops.
Mafia has a rb and a framer. Unless they get lucky with a frame or rb one of the roles yeah.
If we played optimal could come into d2 with 5 confirmed town with knowing one person at least didn't carry the shot.
However say moosey rb SL n1 he carries kp whops we have
I check shining (which I almost did to make sure)
And Scott tracked rels
That's super unlikely obviously but I don't think its fair for all mafia to be outer in one night if unlucky with power roles. While the mafia has little recourse to supreme luck in this setup
On October 07 2015 12:58 Damdred wrote:
And strong man is kinda a moot point because it relies on a lucky shot or blues being dumb. Which they were
Will also comment here as well. Seeing your comments on this, I had an honest chat with BH last night on the 3 investigatives and he felt that was less of a problem than the fact the DT was a full-out DT, and that instead I should have nerfed the DT by (1) making him parity (2) nerfing his sanity or making it unknown to the thread whether it was a sane or whatever or (3) making it limited shot.
To him, upon a second look through, he felt 3 invs were less of the problem because it is infintessimally small chance all three will hit all three different mafia simultaneously and you also assume the framer doesn't tamper anything for the DT by framing one of their own and that the DT alone should not have been as powerful. 3 invs wasn't a problem to him alone, it was just the DT.
To me, I felt the RB had to be in there largely because of the presence of the strongman and because he could stop kp (the medic cannot stop the strongman by definition).
To that end I was told I should have made my strongman shot factional (instead of trackable at night) since making it dependent on a carrier makes it swingy, or dependent on how that mafia player has been playing.
I got several complaints as well on how "powerful" the strongman shot was but again...I made that conditional. I really really wanted to discourage blue claiming this game...and I debated instituting soup kills when I was designing this game, but doing a blue role strongman like what was done in Witchcraft 3 I was told was much simpler way to do this.
That said, I do appreciate you said this, as I've said before I really do care about the games I run and anything I can do to improve that I much appreciate. I wouldn't have gotten the feedback from him if I didn't run the postmortem by him.
If I had to do this again, I think I would have made the DT parity instead of straight alignment. By definition, the DT cannot confirm anything night 1.
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While it might be true townies have a habit of cracking which isn't good... Its not exactly right or good when you know how to get them to crack to push them past those points.
Imo I never cracked this game due to being called mafia, I yelled at Marv for other things he yelled at me for other things. It was unfortunate and mafia unrelated.
Anyway yrah
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On October 07 2015 22:53 Damdred wrote:
While it might be true townies have a habit of cracking which isn't good... Its not exactly right or good when you know how to get them to crack to push them past those points.
Imo I never cracked this game due to being called mafia, I yelled at Marv for other things he yelled at me for other things. It was unfortunate and mafia unrelated.
Anyway yrah
-plops on a damdy- ^^
i don't know why we're being blamed for being emotional anyway? i was tunneled by rayn for a very long time beforehand and managed okay @.@ ish
and if damdy cannot be emotional as mafia, it's not his fault if we take his emotions as town indicators. it's not like he deliberately shows no emotion as mafia just to be read town
and blaming ls at all is silly. i think you know that, rayn
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but in the end, nothing really matters!
breakfast, yum ^^ i won't talk about this anymore here lol there's no need
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On October 07 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote:
but in the end, nothing really matters!
breakfast, yum ^^ i won't talk about this anymore here lol there's no need
hi rsoul
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On October 07 2015 22:56 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 22:53 Damdred wrote:
While it might be true townies have a habit of cracking which isn't good... Its not exactly right or good when you know how to get them to crack to push them past those points.
Imo I never cracked this game due to being called mafia, I yelled at Marv for other things he yelled at me for other things. It was unfortunate and mafia unrelated.
Anyway yrah -plops on a damdy- ^^ i don't know why we're being blamed for being emotional anyway? i was tunneled by rayn for a very long time beforehand and managed okay @.@ ish and if damdy cannot be emotional as mafia, it's not his fault if we take his emotions as town indicators. it's not like he deliberately shows no emotion as mafia just to be read town and blaming ls at all is silly. i think you know that, rayn
Wait did he blame me for something? Jesus I never get a break when I play
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On October 07 2015 23:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote:
but in the end, nothing really matters!
breakfast, yum ^^ i won't talk about this anymore here lol there's no need hi rsoul
hi moosy ^^
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On October 07 2015 23:06 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 22:56 rsoultin wrote:On October 07 2015 22:53 Damdred wrote:
While it might be true townies have a habit of cracking which isn't good... Its not exactly right or good when you know how to get them to crack to push them past those points.
Imo I never cracked this game due to being called mafia, I yelled at Marv for other things he yelled at me for other things. It was unfortunate and mafia unrelated.
Anyway yrah -plops on a damdy- ^^ i don't know why we're being blamed for being emotional anyway? i was tunneled by rayn for a very long time beforehand and managed okay @.@ ish and if damdy cannot be emotional as mafia, it's not his fault if we take his emotions as town indicators. it's not like he deliberately shows no emotion as mafia just to be read town and blaming ls at all is silly. i think you know that, rayn Wait did he blame me for something? Jesus I never get a break when I play
LOL p:
I love playing with you, you always say the funniest thing ever. Like when you linked my scum game to Trfel and he answered you sarcastically, and you were like "oh no prob I found it quickly because I played it in". I found that super funny (=
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This:
On October 04 2015 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 01:53 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 01:52 LightningStrike wrote:On October 04 2015 01:50 Trfel wrote:
I'm going to lynch The Shining with whoever wants to lynch scum, then.
Rels is actually working with me, so he gets a pass for today. Even if he's mafia, he's much more enjoyable to play with than some of these other people, and he does give the impression that he's actually trying to solve the game (even if he gives this impression as scum as well, though I didn't read his scum game).
I'll look at MoosyDoosy after. Well here is his scum game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Rels Thanks, I didn't realize that the database existed and that I could use filters myself  I also didn't realize that I could just use Rels' profile to find his most recent game easily, never done that before Simply put, I don't care about anything other than The Shining right now. I might start caring later. It was from my last game that why I was able to get it so fast.
=D it still makes me smile
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rsoultin, for future reference, if i have my tunnel on, the way you approached my push was basically the worst way of getting me to retract my (incorrect) scumread.
repeating omgus over and over and trivialising what i said to one piece of information (the read change) wasn't good. Normally when I'm tunnelled on someone I can get off it by their defence, but on this occasion it was only your sustained posting later on d1 that got me to doubt my read and not want to lynch you at the end.
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On October 07 2015 23:22 marvellosity wrote:
rsoultin, for future reference, if i have my tunnel on, the way you approached my push was basically the worst way of getting me to retract my (incorrect) scumread.
repeating omgus over and over and trivialising what i said to one piece of information (the read change) wasn't good. Normally when I'm tunnelled on someone I can get off it by their defence, but on this occasion it was only your sustained posting later on d1 that got me to doubt my read and not want to lynch you at the end.
ye i know i handled that poorly :/ tbh your early scumreads i didn't really take seriously lol >< and kind of forgot about as a result idk i've got a weird brain
but regardless i handled it poorly given i knew you were town at the time. i was frustrated
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see normally i can handle being scumread and still respond to that and still be looking into other things going on in the thread
but you and rayn, more rayn than you but it was both of you until i addressed you more calmly, were sniping at what i was trying to do as well and i was getting very frustrated/flustered. it's something i should handle better but didn't
i don't blame you for scumreading me marv, honestly. it made perfect sense to me but lol...i'm kinda obnoxious @.@ and also not great at explaining myself in ways others actually can understand because i don't actually have tangible thoughts before i write or speak them...
regardless, no hard feelings
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On October 07 2015 23:41 rsoultin wrote:
but you and rayn, more rayn than you but it was both of you until i addressed you more calmly, were sniping at what i was trying to do as well and i was getting very frustrated/flustered. it's something i should handle better but didn't
Sounds familiar.
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On October 07 2015 23:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 23:41 rsoultin wrote:
but you and rayn, more rayn than you but it was both of you until i addressed you more calmly, were sniping at what i was trying to do as well and i was getting very frustrated/flustered. it's something i should handle better but didn't
Sounds familiar.
lol the grand sniper xP
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On October 07 2015 23:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 23:45 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2015 23:41 rsoultin wrote:
but you and rayn, more rayn than you but it was both of you until i addressed you more calmly, were sniping at what i was trying to do as well and i was getting very frustrated/flustered. it's something i should handle better but didn't
Sounds familiar. lol the grand sniper xP
:D
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game was good , cohosting was fun.
I thought town was totally lost after day 2 but they turned it around somehow. I don't know if mafia made major mistakes or town played very well on day 3.
The mass exodus is concerning, I hope you can all be persuaded to return soon.
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