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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 16:06 GMT
#2593
On October 02 2015 00:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Then explain your post stating that you were trying to mimic frenetic town in our scum game together GB. What's your goal in this game? And why did you keep on pushing coolTL? What made you not believe Damdred's counter claim?


I was simply sure that cool TL is Mafia and I was already scum reading Damdred and I thought Mafia did everything close to EOD to shift the lynch and to know if scott is or isn't lying all we needed was to wait to see if he would die at night.

My plan is to catch Mafia, I don't have to try to emulate a thing in here because I'm town
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 16:08 GMT
#2594
It's not a matter of believing Damdred's claim, it's a matter of believing cool TL was Mafia and scott was town
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 16:32 GMT
#2596
On October 02 2015 01:18 sicklucker wrote:
Guys gb is are roleblocker


I'm not, I was just upset and made that up
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 16:55 GMT
#2599
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?


Ok, maybe I was angry and focused on the wrong thing, but you do see the problem in your thought process?

Ive bolded what I thought was stupid, not the whole post
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 17:10 GMT
#2601
Sigh
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 17:52 GMT
#2603
On October 02 2015 02:43 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:18 sicklucker wrote:
Guys gb is are roleblocker


I'm not, I was just upset and made that up


i know and i thought you were trying to take a bullit =/ poorly


I wasn't lol
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 19:01 GMT
#2605
On October 02 2015 03:56 coolTLname wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
... furthermore if he read the voting thread, he is jsut blantantly lying.
There was NEVER ever time when coolname/scott/rsoultin were "main lynch targets".

this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece.

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On October 01 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know LS is not the most logical guy, but he gets his stuff somewhere, everyone does. What he says doesn't make any sense. The conclusion definitely did not come from reading the voting thread, that is 100% obvious. If he had skimmed the thread he would know that (1) GB is actually one of the main lynch targets, (2) rsoultin is not, (3) coolTLname is being voted BECAUSE scott claimed. Somehow he conveniently misses those KEY things that lead to the situation we were at the time. I can't see this being possible unless you are like the most unfortunate person on the planet when you skim through the thread.

i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7.

GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way.

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On October 01 2015 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mmm like here is why this coolnamedude is scum;

1) says he wants to be lynched over scott -> tries to vote for scott
2) says i am mafia for things that do not make me mafia, calls me a liar -> either just straight out lying or didn't read the thread.. but -> says people who do not read the thread are mafia..
3) calls me/you mafia because we are "cluttering the thread for posting so much" -> says rsoultin is town because she has the biggest filter in the game (yes that is literally his only reason he has managed to ACTUALLY provide).


My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch.

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On October 01 2015 12:47 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote:
I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival.


Like i said earlier, i was busy. To be elaborate i had a therapy session with my dad during the last hour of the game.

I actually checked during the session and it seemed clear i would be lynched , until scott revealed at the last minute.

I didn't really know what the votes or anything that was going on , but scott seemed suspicious enough to me so i tried to mobile vote him.

Unfortunately i was lagging and i cant text for shit, which made my votes not even count, because i missed the deadline, btw.



I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now.


Not reading the thread doesn't make him mafia
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 20:58 GMT
#2693
On October 02 2015 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My filter that contains the cases on who i think is scum;
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet&page=16
starts from ~half of that page (N1).

coolnamedude is mafia.
rsoultin is mafia.
LighntningStrike is mafia

in that order of confidence.

MoosyDoosy could be mafia if one of them magically happens to flip town.

I literally do not believe there is any chance for anyone else in this game to be mafia.


I'd rather lynch moosydoosy before LS
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 21:23 GMT
#2705
On October 02 2015 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone is probably going to try to push Trfel but his approach to the game was so so so fucking townie at the EoD he is not mafia. Lynch rsoultin to confirm Trfel's alignment if you are unsure.


Cool.

We are almost on the same page.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 22:41 GMT
#2787
Rayn, don't you wonder why Marv got killed instread of you?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 22:58 GMT
#2810
Dear, what's your updated read on cool TL name?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 22:58 GMT
#2811
I haven't read recent posts so sorry if you've already explained it
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 01 2015 23:11 GMT
#2826
I'm not the Roleblocker, as I said

It's useless to discuss Damdred at this point. We just need him to say who he tracked.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 02 2015 10:21 GMT
#3016
Cool TL flip will be very informative also
There is no better lynch other than him
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 02 2015 10:24 GMT
#3017
And Rayn, Marv dying instead of you heavily implies you were on the wrong track. You do need to take a step back.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 02 2015 10:54 GMT
#3019
On October 02 2015 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 19:24 GlowingBear wrote:
And Rayn, Marv dying instead of you heavily implies you were on the wrong track. You do need to take a step back.

No it really doesn't.


You're both good players but Marv didn't lead anything in the thread and you have been relentless. If you were right on every suspicion, you would have been killed almost 100% of the times.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 02 2015 12:26 GMT
#3036
On October 02 2015 21:22 rsoultin wrote:
anyway the point is gb's point isn't invalid and i'm not gonna keep talking to a wall :/

gb, please, if you think that we're going down the wrong path, where do you want to go?


I think we are hitting Mafia when killing cool but we may be wrong with LS and you.

And I am asking him to listen to you more instead of incriminate and don't reevaluate you. That's all.

Rayn I'm having lunch with parents, will soon address to your post
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 02 2015 13:35 GMT
#3113
Ok, let's get this right

Does anyone has reasons to believe cool TL is town?

We've already said enough why he is scum. If nobody thinks he is town, we don't have any more reasons to discuss him. Just let the lynch happen and discuss other people.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 02 2015 14:47 GMT
#3186
On October 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here it is. Please read the whole thing because it's actually relevant to this game in other ways aswell.
First i give you some examples;

A while ago i tried to convince a town to lynch someone because they said "this guy is scum because he is pocketing rayn, but i don't think rayn is necessarily town". You might remember the game... I don't actually think anyone in the game really got my reasoning for why it was obvious the guy was mafia, while it was like "i have this pie here. i am eating it with my spoon. If i have taken away the spoon from the table, it's impossible that guy ate the pie with a spoon. If he claims so afterwards, he is a liar." Really obvious? Mmmm.. apparently it wasn't.

Some year(s) ago i made a case on a guy who did the following; First they called someone out on p20. Then afk. Then i asked for their case. They said: "Here is my case [reasoning from page 30-40]". It is obvious that the dude is mafia because it's literally impossible he has thought someone is scum on p20 if his case doesn't have a simple scummy thing on that guy before p20. Seems like a simple thing? Mmm.. guess what, i had to argue for about 20 pages why it is obvious, hell MAFIA ARGUED FOR ME (yes, his scumbuddies) why it is obvious that guy is mafia. I had to draw a fucking mspaint picture to clarify why it is impossible the dude is NOT lying because apparently my words are somehow unclear...

Now let's go to this game, i have a couple of examples. The first one, maybe easier to understand is this:
rayn: TLname the votes piled up on you because scott claimed
TLname: no, i had 7 votes before scott claimed
rayn: [here is proof why you are lying]
rayn: explain
TLname: ......
.....
TLname: i had 7 votes before scott / damdred / cc
rayn: it does not work like that, explain why you are lying
rsoultin:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 07:41 rsoultin wrote:
-sighs-

he did have 7 votes on him before damdred cc'd scott, rayn

between the time scott claim and damdred cc'd he had 7 votes on him. i remember because i wasn't sure enough would switch

the thing here is that [u]was not the original argument. I consider rsoultin one of the smartest people in this game. If one of the smartest people fails to realize / doesn't even care what i write / (or twists things around which i believe is the case here -- and noone even calls her out for it) in the first place, how am i supposed to think other people do?

Another one:
J Roc: rayn bussed sicklucker here
rayn: i don't unnecessary bus and everyone knows it, this would be an unnecessary bus, so you are just straight out lying
Trfel: but rayn you bus
Damdred: yeah you bussed there in the game Trfel pointed out.
rayn: what the fuck is this bullshit Damdred, you were in the game?!?!?
rsoultin: Damdred is factually correct.

In fact Damdred is NOT factually correct here. Even if he believes i unnecessary bussed there, that is not the point. The point is the I DON'T BELIEVE IT and i have clearly expressed it in many occasions. The question becomes to; "rayn himself thinks he doesn't unnecessary bus. would this interaction with sl here be an unnecessary bus in his opinion? If yes, then J Roc's "case" is invalid. If no, then rayn could be mafia for what J Roc says".

And that was the point of the argument, not if anyone else than me does/doesn't think if i unnecessary bussed in some other game. I can understand someone having a different view from the XXX game, but saying "Damdred's argument is factually correct" is just bullshit, because it doesn't have anything to with the original argument.



It brings me to this:

If i get shot here the following will happen. My reads are proven to be legit, as in a sense that i actually believe in what i am saying (as in i am confirmed not mafia). When this happens, me, and everyone knows marv WILL actually go read what i wrote about people and will evaluate if he thinks i was right or not. He definitely did not do that during N1, so actually NOONE knows where he stood by the end of the night phase. Marv is way more persuasive than i am. It is a fact, just because apparently my writing skills are the poorest on this site and often times i have to yell my lynches through -- which makes people ignore me. Marv also understands me. Therefore, if marv dies - regardless of if i am right or not - mafia has a person (rayn) alive, who is way more easier to ignore/discredit/what the fuck ever people are always doing than marv is. 100%.

And that is the reason why marv dying does not make me "wrong" like you suggest here GB. If i am 100% right on my reads and they are good, marv will read them in case i die, and it is 100% more likely he actually believes me than any other person in the game and actually gets those people lynched.
[/i]

You remember a game where obi was Mafia and he got to LYLO after we lynched FirmTofu and clarity? In that game you've caught rsoultin in a failure of thought process similar here. She was town.

I understand everything you're saying here. I'm just asking you to take a step back and listen to rsoultin. You won't lose time by trying to see her coming from a town perspective. I understand what you get from the night kill but you know that Mafia could simply say "ok people are on the right track, kill Marv and keep Rayn alive". It is possible.

For instance, the shining could be Mafia. Marv was the only one looking into him. Maybe he is.
And maybe Moosy is Mafia. You also agree he has been shady.

And if all of this is correct, neither rsoultin and LS are Mafia. And you were on the wrong track.

I'm just simply asking you to reconsider things. We are already lynching cool TL today. We don't have to start a holy crusade yet
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 02 2015 17:07 GMT
#3210
On October 03 2015 01:04 rsoultin wrote:
Even if cool is scum it doesn't mean truffle isn't. But an apathetic truffle is not a town truffle. Unless I find give a shits in his filter didn't notice before I think he's highly likely to be scum, even over cool


He doesn't seem apathetic to me, he is repeatedly putting his thoughts on the game.

It's still day2 and the game has 162 pages. I know truffle doesn't have patience to read big games, so he is being pushy as much as I would expect from him
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